GSG 92 CO2 BB pistol: Part 1

by B.B. Pelletier

Pyramyd Air’s new website is still in the beta stage, and we’re making improvements daily based on customer feedback. If you’ve avoided going to the new site because you hate to see things change or think it’s too different from the old site, here’s part 1 of a 2-part tour of the new site that shows you how much easier it is to navigate, search for products and sort your findings.


The GSG 92 is a very realistic action BB pistol from the airsoft maker GSG.

Today, I’ll start a look at another CO2 BB pistol. This one is from GSG and features blowback. I bet it’ll be a favorite among the BB pistol crowd, both for its great imitation of the Beretta 92 and the fact that it’s all metal. The last Beretta 92FS I tested came from Umarex and remember how wonderfully heavy and robust that one felt. Well, here’s another one, and this time there’s blowback!

The GSG 92 CO2 BB pistol (serial #W01101069200) is a 20-shot repeater with a drop-free magazine that houses the 12-gram CO2 cartridge and has a spring-loaded stick magazine in the front. All the controls on the gun — the magazine release, the slide release and the safety are fully operational; and with the one-piece heavy metal slide that operates exactly like the firearm slide and remains open when the last shot has been fired, a high degree of realism is achieved. Even the disassembly latch operates, and the pistol can be field-stripped, though the steps are not exactly the same as for a Beretta 92 firearm. You do have the luxury of disassembling the pistol, for an added touch of realism. The pistol weighs 42 ozs., which is 8 oz. heavier than an unloaded 9mm Beretta 92 (34 ozs.).


The GSG pistol disassembles this far with ease, though there is no reason to take it apart. It adds realism.

The safety
The ambidextrous safety is what makes this pistol a copy of the Beretta 92 and not the 92FS. The older and rarer 92 (5,000 9mm pistols made 1975-1976) had a safety mounted in the frame of the pistol as this BB pistol does. The 92FS safety is mounted at the rear of the slide.


The safety lever is mounted on the frame and is just a safety on the test pistol. Shown here in the intermediate (fire) position. All the way down is also off safe. Up into the notch cut in the slide is safe. There are no markings for these positions. On other variants of this gun, this switch is also a selector for automatic fire. Being ambidextrous, there’s a similar switch on the other side of the frame.

The safety does not de-cock the pistol like the firearm safety does. It’s just a manual safety and nothing else. The safety on the test pistol is ambidextrous, with levers on both sides of the slide. Unlike the Beretta 92FS pellet pistol made by Umarex, this safety does block the trigger and the hammer. If the gun is cocked and the safety is on, the hammer stays cocked and nothing happens. If the hammer is on half-cock and the safety is on, the trigger cannot fire the pistol, as it’s locked in position. You can see and feel some movement, but the gun won’t fire. The safety cannot be put on when the hammer is all the way down in the fired position. I would not recommend pulling the trigger hard when the safety is on, as it seems to stress the firing mechanism.

One more comment about the safety. When you push it up there are two detents. The lever stops at the first detent which is midway, but that’s not the safe position. When I first encountered this, I uncharacteristically read the manual and was surprised to find “To start shooting, aim at a target, put the selector (1) on the semi or auto position (according to your version).” By “selector,” the manual refers to the safety. Well, the test guns seems to be semiauto, only. The second notch (midway between down and up) did not function differently than the first one (all the way down). Only the uppermost position, where the end of the lever was up in the slide, made the gun safe. So, on the test gun, the “selector” is just a safety.

Manual
Obviously, the manual was adapted from an airsoft manual, because the gun is referred to as a softair in one place. In another place the pistol is called a rifle, so it’s pretty obvious that the manual hasn’t been edited by an English-speaking person. Like all airsoft manuals, this manual is very spartan, so you better be familiar with the general operation of airguns like this, or you’ll have questions the manual doesn’t address.

Sights
Thefront and rear sights are fixed. There’s a strange white marking below the notch on the rear sight that I’ve never seen on any other handgun. It looks like an attempt to make the sights look tactical, but it could also be an exotic Asian version of a tactical sight, I suppose.

Handling
The pistol handles just like a Beretta 92, which means a very wide grip for the double-stack 9mm magazine. Although the double-stack concept isn’t used in the BB gun, it does leave more room for the CO2 cartridge.

The magazine has a contoured floorplate that becomes an extension of the grip. This is a pistol that’s sized for medium to large hands.

The pistol can be fired either single-action or double-action; but because of the blowback feature, all shots after the first one will be single-action. The single-action trigger-pull is light and surprisingly crisp. The double-action pull is also very light and smooth.

Magazine
Like many BB pistols, the magazine incorporates both the BB magazine as well as the CO2 storage. CO2 cartridges are very easy to install, using a large Allen wrench that comes with the gun. Remember to put a drop of Crosman Pellgunoil on the tip of each new cartridge before you pierce it. The oil will be blown into the interior of the valve, where it gets on all the seals and keeps them fresh and doing their job.

The manual refers to a speedloader, but the test pistol didn’t come with one, so I had to load it one BB at a time while holding down the spring-loaded follower. This is tedious until you get the hang of it, then it goes pretty quick. There’s no provision to lock down the follower, so you have to hold it down with your thumbnail.

Barrel movement
The barrel moves to the rear a short distance when the slide recoils. When the slide moves forward, the barrel locks into the slide and the two become an integrated unit. It seems to lock in the forward position well enough, but I guess that’s what the accuracy test will determine.

62 thoughts on “GSG 92 CO2 BB pistol: Part 1

  1. My wife (BLONDE) heard an explosion somewhere in her car while driving home from work. She had left a full 12 pack of Vernors in the back. 4 cans looked comletely intact, one had a bulged bottom but did not leak, but then there were the others.
    Now imagine leaving your nice and very expensive airgun in the back on a summer day on a nice soft blanket to protect it from scratches……..right next to the bomb.
    http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z244/twotalon/DSC_0001.jpg

    And for Fred….
    Ponder this .61″ 25yd group.
    http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z244/twotalon/DSC_0002.jpg

    twotalon


    • twotalon,

      They will explode!

      By the way, I LOVE Vernors! I can only drink the diet stuff today, which isn’t as good as the real thing, but I remember when I drank it as a kid. It took my breath away! Another great oldie is Dad’s Root Beer.

      B.B.



      • I used to gulp Vernors too…

        Dropped it when I moved to the PRCa… Something in the water just tasted differently (and, of course, I’m also now in the “only diet” version state)



      • Gee Fred….I only posted it because it was a strange looking group. Reminds me of what my 521T does if I clean the barrel or switch ammo.
        This was done under somewhat less than stable conditions ( including my less than solid hold).
        R9 with new Vortek kit, AA4.52 pellets, variable crosswind (speed and direction both), MV 900fps, ES <10fps, 15+ FPE.

        Now, besides everything fitting differently and needs break in, the new piston seal is scraping lube from the compression tube and blowing it into the barrel. Both my R9 and 97K do not like this. Several barrel cleaning sessions will be required. This is particularly disliked by both rifles if any moly ends up in the bore.

        twotalon


    • TwoTalon,

      Who leaves their favorite airgun in the trunk of their wife’s car for crying out loud? The only saving grace in this situation is that it has happened to a great airgun restorer/repairer (i.e.: you) so you can make it like new again. It will be very interesting to know if the ginger soda that leaked into the gun affected anything (beyond causing stickiness.) Will you let us know what you find when you take it apart?

      AlanL


      • Sorry, but the only thing in my wife’s car that got gunked is the back of the car and the brand new air conditioner (still in the box).
        What a mess. If there was just some way to stand the car straight up on the rear bumper and hose it out….

        twotalon


        • TwoTalon,

          Ha! That reminds me of The Gods Must Be Crazy. Just see what Andrew Steyn did with his jeep as he tried to rescue Kate from the brambles. That’s how to do it! (Just find a nice big baobab…)

          AlanL


        • Re: Cleaning car trunk

          Twotalon. No Problem. Just get a 20 inch 1/4 inch drill. Drill a couple of holes through the trunk and gas tank to let the water drain.

          Herb




              • TT,

                in re-reading the comments, it’s not clear if the soda cans were in the trunk of the car, the back seat or if the car is a hatchback? If it has a trunk and the soda was there, you can hose out the trunk. Pull the carpet and you should see a rubber plug in the center of the trunk (could be under the spare tire if you have one there). Remove the plug and now your water can drain out. Same thing behind the wheel well, if your car has pockets on either side, there will be plugs there as well. You’ll have to feel for it.

                Just in case you weren’t aware of this design.

                Fred PRoNJ


                • It’s a Chevy Cavalier. Soda was in the trunk, back seat was down. Almost a hatchback that way.

                  I will have to look to see where most of it went this weekend and clean up what I can.

                  We have a carpet cleaner with the upholstery hose and attachment. The spare tire well might have gotten a lot of it. Have to see what can be pulled out and hosed off.

                  I think Mythbusters tried to get a bunch of cans to blow up in a car in the sun, but I don’t think it happened. We are in northern Ohio not in California. They must have had stronger cans.

                  twotalon




      • Edith,

        Me too- I’m using Firefox 3.6.18 on Windows 7 Professional. Even with my bookmarks panel open the new site is wasting screen real estate with two gray bars on either side. Looks like the site is formatted for letterbox 4:3 screens instead of auto-sizing for widescreens.

        AlanL



          • Volvo & AlanL,

            The IT team sent me an interesting response — about 9 or 10 images of different sites that have space on both sides of the window. In fact, this airgun blog has space outside of the blog window. It doesn’t fill my browser screen at all.

            So, in order to accommodate all browsers and monitors, they had to create the new site in a special way. Sorry, guys!

            Edith


            • Edith,

              Aye aye, understood, but why SO MUCH real estate given up on each side? If you look at big, widely used sites such as eBay, Amazon and Google, they automatically fill the available screen and resize certain (not all) content proportionally. Why not PA?

              AlanL


            • I can feel their pain, here. I ran into this recently developing an app to be run on different laptops. The different resolutions play havoc with line placement and spacing. But that’s not all. Even using the same screen resolution on a different machine changes the line positioning. I think the different video “cards” have something to do with this. I used quotes because some machines have built in video.


          • Just glanced at it… Didn’t look too bad on my screen BUT…

            I DO NOT run applications in FULL SCREEN mode… Even on a wide-screen display my Firefox window is sized to just over half width [needed for some company pages] and 3/4 height (1072×848 pixels on a 1680×1050 monitor).

            Going to full screen did reveal that a quarter of the width was just spacer bars… And anyone running a 1024×768 (archaic) laptop/notebook may encounter a need to horizontal scroll (scroll bar appears in Firefox when Firefox is 1004 pixels wide — and that is the outer border of Firefox, not the inside content area!)


            • Wulfraed,

              I don’t know if the app is upgrading and changing on its own or if someone from IT has been going into the blog admin and making changes. I’d be surprised if it were the latter, as everyone’s been very busy with the new site and tons of high-priority projects. I doubt they’d voluntarily go in and change things that no one’s complained about.

              I’ll let IT take it from here and hopefully change things.

              Thanks for the heads up!
              Edith


      • Edith,

        Minor quibbling feedback, but what the heck:

        1) I don’t much like the blue drawing-like icon for spring piston guns when compared with the more life-like brown picture icon for PCPs.

        2) Also, given that there are 168 guns listed under spring piston, it might be nice to further break this very broad category down into subcategories like break-barrel, underlever, side-cocking, and whatever other kinds there are, and not just pellet vs. BB.

        3) Once I’m on a specific rifle’s product page, the suggestion I made several weeks ago about moving the all-important specifications section up has been ignored. I’m sad about that. I’m sorry, but I still think the specs section for the product I actually went to look at is far more important than the Accessories/Ammo section, which should be moved down. All they need to do is swap the positions of the Accessories and Specifications sections and the page will be very nice. (In my not so humble opinion.)

        AlanL



          • Edith,

            Can you ask about getting the full text of the blog back in the RSS feeds? I subscribe to the feed in Google Reader and I prefer to read the whole article directly in my Reader app. It’s a pain to have to link out and then back.

            I’ve read the blog daily for several years and really appreciate all the info you and B.B. provide!

            Thanks.


  2. BB,

    Thanks for the review of the GSG 92. After receiving the Sig Sauer P226 X5 as a gift, I have been highly impressed by the realism of the Cybergun BB pistols. The Sig is essentially the same BB gun internally as the GSG; almost everything (except the safety) functions the same way. I look forward to seeing your accuracy test, as I have gotten superb accuracy out of my Sig (that’s saying something, given that it is a bb gun with a 5 inch barrel). It would be interesting to know if other Cybergun products shoot as good as they look!

    By the way, I have had occasional trouble with my gun jamming, but only when the magazine is loaded to its full capacity. This happens when the follower gets caught on the small notch near the bottom of the bb chamber. I am not sure if the GSG magazine is identical in this respect, but if it is, you may want to put in only 16 or 18 bbs at a time (instead of 20) during your tests so as to avoid the potential problem.


    • Lee,

      It’s too early to say, but there is a lot about the way this magazine works that is different. I’ll try to show that in the next report.

      No jams yet, but the occasional BB falls out of the mag before it is loaded.

      B.B.


  3. The new website looks very good and I like the new search features it has. I work for a Chiropractic College and we design our own web pages. The sizing is sometimes and issue because if you set it to wide screen only then everybody with older monitors gets cut-off images. Same as setting it normal because then the oppposite happens for widescreen users. We always have tweaking to do for sizing. One quick way to fix the zize on your individual screen for now is to hold the Ctrl button while using the scroll wheel on your mouse to resize and fit the screen. Hope this helps some users who aren’t able to view and want to check out the new website.


  4. This looks like a very nice rendition of a Beretta. The velocity tests will tell if it is a gas hog I suppose. Apparently, one is stuck with the trade-off of losing gas for the sake of looks. And ironically, the slide movement for semiautos is so fast as to be virtually invisible; even now sometimes I cannot see it. The word is that the slide is moving at Mach 2! While growing up, I did not even realize that semiauto pistols had a working slide. My first realization that I remember was from the film A Bridge Too Far where the very tough paratrooper named, Eddie, has a habit of checking the slide on his .45. Why is the barrel of his gun poking out I wondered. Anyway, that .45 comes in handy as you may recall when he pulls it on an uncooperative American doctor and says, “Please have a look at [my wounded buddy] or I swear I’ll….”

    CowBoyStar Dad, I was thinking out loud about your situation along the lines that you did. For an inexperienced shooter, I would say that the odd stray shot is a psychological issue. For you as an experienced shooter to be surprised by the result tends to make me think that the issue is more likely mechanical. I cannot think of a mechanical problem that would cause occasional stray shots although I have seen such things written about for gun tests. So that would leave a small door open for a psychological issue after all and indeed, as Victor points out, people at all levels have lapses, just less than most people. As Joe Paterno says, “Don’t let your highs be too high or your lows too low.” Actually, I’ve found a similar thing in martial arts. After years of practice and what must be thousands of repetitions of a move, I’ll suddenly forget how to do it! This is not an unknown thing for people at higher levels than me. On the bright side, I have wondered if these lapses are not an aberration from practice but actually the purpose of it as the material sifts down through your psyche and you find out how much you know it or don’t know it as it gets burned in.

    Fred, impressive biking but you also have to run 20 miles within the five hours. Pending more info, my money is still on Pippa. 🙂

    Kevin, that’s interesting about the purpose of pillar bedding. There is a lot of lush advertising about PILLAR BEDDING! without explaining just what it is for. The Savage info seems to spin the stabilizing effects of pillar bedding into a reason for accuracy in its own right.

    All, how do you guys drill holes perfectly vertical? My powder dispenser is attached to a sort of metal stem that must be mounted on a wooden block via two screws in the base. I actually had the small drill bit necessary to drill holes in the wood preparatory to installing the screws. However, the holes that I drilled were just a tiny bit off vertical so when I drove the screws in they didn’t go quite flush. And now my powder dispenser rocks back and forth! I don’t think this is conducive to accurate measurement–besides annoying me. But how could it be otherwise? With the drill chewing its way through wood and me not positioned to exactly see what is going on or having a measurement tool to keep things exactly vertical, I don’t see how to avoid this problem. So how do you guys do it? On this general subject, my pyramidal reloading stand is looking a little shaky. Like I said, it seems that the contraption is designed so it is held together by a certain amount of tension between the screws which means its very difficult to seat them all completely in–tightening one pops out the other. And after massaging all of this together, the instructions say that that you tighten the nuts on the screws by hand. (The fact is that it would take a contortionist to get in there to apply pressure with a wrench.) But even rocking the structure back and forth to test it seems to have loosened a few screws. At least my press is clamped down very solidly on top of it all, so maybe that will be enough.

    Matt61


    • Matt61,
      Regarding your post about shooting prone on boxes, and the movie Enemy at the Games. I haven’t seen that movie yet. Sounds like a good one. I’ll look into renting it.
      Victor


    • Matt, if anything I think my problem is laziness (I like to pretty up by saying psychological 😉 )
      With the photography…I know now that the problem is that I get complacent. When shooting at slow shutter speeds (and much applies to triggers as well) the drill is: arms in, take a couple of deep breaths, exhale and sqeeeeeze the shutter release.
      When this is one handheld shooting is possible down to 1/4 or even 1/2 second.
      ‘Stab’ that shutter release and even 1/30 may end up blurry.
      I’ll happily go along for two or three years with nary a problem…then ‘BANG’ I start getting blur…want to blame the camera/lens…but finally come down to the fact that I have to learn to concentrate all over.
      I think the same is true with my shooting. I get complacent.
      I think I do get what you mean about calling the shots…usually, even though I think I’ve done everything right, and the reticle/peep is all lined up properly…usually in that split 1/10 of second before the pellet hits the target I know it is going to be wrong.


    • Matt,

      for perfectly vertical holes, I use my drill press that I bought at an estate sale – $25. However, it doesn’t guarantee that you’ll start your hole in the exact spot that you desire (as witnessed in that off-center pillar I made). Now about this running 20 miles – why run when you can ride? I have two perfectly good motorcycles just for this purpose.

      Fred PRoNJ


    • All, how do you guys drill holes perfectly vertical? My powder dispenser is attached to a sort of metal stem that must be mounted on a wooden block via two screws in the base. I actually had the small drill bit necessary to drill holes in the wood preparatory to installing the screws. However, the holes that I drilled were just a tiny bit off vertical so when I drove the screws in they didn’t go quite flush. And now my powder dispenser rocks back and forth! I don’t think this is conducive to accurate measurement–besides annoying me.

      Well… If you want to be pedantic about powder… You set the measure to an ensured “light” side, dump into the bowl of a scale, then use a powder trickler to bring the charge up to the desired amount while it is on the scale.

      As for perpendicularity of drilling… I have in my closet a unit consisting of a base, two rails, and an interface unit (chuck on one end, pin for portable drill chuck to clamp on the other)… The drill then rides up and down on the rails. The base can be set up for flush surface, and V guides for round stock, and for drilling in the edge of board stock the rails can be set to protrude out the bottom — you straddle the board and rotate so the rails pin the board in the center.

      Ah… here it is…
      http://www.amazon.com/General-36-37-Precision-Drill/dp/B00004T82Lsa=X&ei=qgoWTqrALsq_gQfOt_Ao&sqi=2&ved=0CF8Q8gIwAA

      A retraction — looks like the rails don’t slide down, but there are fittings for pins in the base…


    • matt,
      If you don’t want to pop for a drill press, Dremmel makes an attachment for routing that you mount the Dremmel drill in and it pushes up and down vertically. You could put a drill bit in the drill instead of a router bit. It could be used as an easily portable device for drilling vertical holes if a drill press is too inconvenient.

      Dremmel also makes a miniature drill press attachment.

      Check out the Dremmel section at Menards, Home Depot, Lowes, internet, etc. That might be a cheaper alternative.


  5. Hi All,
    Got a TX200, now as monsoon (rainy season) is here what could i apply on the blued parts to protect it from rusting (yes, it is rusting already).
    Will the inside of the barrel also need something.

    The main point is that it should be readily available here in India.

    Thanks





  6. Edith,
    Something wacky is happening with the blog replies. I’ve been using IE 9 in Win 7 but today I get only 12 of the 39 replies in the Comments RSS and the tabs are displaying strange labels like: #comment-29355. It’s not working like it did yesterday.


    • It’s not working like it did yesterday.

      From my viewpoint, it is working exactly as it did yesterday… When I commented on the RSS feed only showing 12 posts… Forcing me to search the other days by hand for anything added.



        • WinXP, Firefox 3.6.18, using “Sage” RSS reader

          Prior to yesterday, clicking on the RSS feed in Sage would bring in something like the last 200-300 messages, in reverse chronological order. Normally, on a regular weekday, I’d scroll down the list of message headers to find the last bold entry (bold -> not marked read), close the sidebar, scroll down to said actual message, and start reading (bottom up). The message list was long enough to catch new posts in any “blog thread”, not just the most recent blog entry (after a weekend new messages typically ran ~150; normal day-to-day runs about 50 messages).

          As off yesterday, the RSS feed is only supplying the 12 most recent messages. The only way to access older messages (and after a new blog post, that is most of them) is by scrolling through the entire comment page; and doing that for the prior two day’s blog entries too to find any late posts in those [obviously, someone re-awakening a week-old thread is not going to be found this way]




    • Anyone have an opinion of the Taurus Judge revolver, that shoots either 410 shotgun shells or .45 cal?

      Unless things have changed, it’s verboten in the PRCa… (shotgun with less than 18″ barrel; the dual mode T/C Contender barrel was also not permitted — heck, I’ve not seen a Contender of any barrel in a store here for over 20 years).


    • victor,
      I have shot the Judge loaded with alternating .45, .410. Kicks pretty good. With self-defense loads in both calibers it would be an excellent tool against an unauthorized someone standing in your bedroom doorway. I would think all PD .410 would be good enough – the kind that has the lead plug followed by the three large shots in the same shell. I don’t remember who makes them. As far as accuracy at 30 yds I don’t know.


      • Chuck,
        I read two reviews. One was favorable, considering what it is. Another review completely trashed it. Often times, reviews so extremely negative are themselves the equal of their opinion. Never having bought a pistol for personal defence (and so I know probably less than nothing – I’d likely give bad advice), I liked the idea of having a first shot that could be taken during a rushed, or panicked, situation, allowing me to stun someone right away with the shotgun shell, and then, hopefully, buying a little time for a follow-up kill shot. Again, I’m only dangerous to paper targets.
        Victor



    • Wprejs,

      Probably cheapest is the Gamo Compact which apparently Pyramydair is not stocking. Next probably the Beeman P1 or P3 or the HW 75. These are all single stroke pneumatics. Don ‘t overlook the Crossman Silhouette PCP. Then you can move to the IZH 46M. Now you’re around $500. How high do you want to go? If you want to be serious, you need to consider PCP and you can go to $3,000 easy if you want. I’d wait for Pete Z. to weigh in as that’s his interest. I can’t apparently put the links in here as you could if writing a blog but you can go to Pyramydair website and search for these pistols.

      Fred PRonj


    • Wprejs,

      Probably cheapest is the Gamo Compact which apparently Pyramydair is not stocking. Next probably the Beeman P1 or P3 or the HW 75. These are all single stroke pneumatics. Don ‘t overlook the Crossman Silhouette PCP. Then you can move to the IZH 46M. Now you’re around $500. How high do you want to go? If you want to be serious, you need to consider PCP and you can go to $3,000 easy if you want. I’d wait for Pete Z. to weigh in as that’s his interest. I can’t apparently put the links in here as you could if writing a blog but you can go to Pyramydair website and search for these pistols.

      Fred PRonj


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