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AirForce Condor SS precharged air rifle: Part 3

by Tom Gaylord, a.k.a. B.B. Pelletier

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AirForce Condor SS precharged air rifle with Spin-Loc tank
AirForce Condor SS with Spin-Loc tank. The buttpad is shown flipped down.

This report is going to be a long one! There is so much to tell about the AirForce Condor SS rifle with Spin-Loc tank that I can’t pack it into the usual 3-part report. But today I’m going to start the velocity report and I’ll finish it tomorrow. I’m doing it that way because there are so many things to see and talk about before I get to the velocity test, plus the velocity test revealed some interesting things. And, since today is Wednesday, I really do mean that the second part of this report will come tomorrow.

A longer frame
Let’s start with a question that was asked by several people. What differentiates the Condor SS from the standard Condor? I told you about the barrel length differences (standard Condor = 24-inch barrel; Condor SS = 18-inch barrel) and the different frame lengths (the Condor SS has a longer frame than the Condor so it can hold the baffles), but several people asked me to show it. And I did promise to do that when I first reported on the new rifle, so here you go.

AirForce Condor SS air rifle plus Condor and Talon SS
Here you can see the Condor SS (top) has the longer frame to hold the baffles. Under it is the Condor and then the Talon SS on the bottom. Note that both those rifles frames are the same length. The Condor end cap is slightly longer than the Talon SS end cap, so it looks longer,

Inside the frame — the technology
This is what you have been waiting to see. The Condor SS has 3 Delrin baffles, held tight between a bolt and a Belleville washer, so there’s no rattling of parts. The baffles fit close inside the frame, which AirForce reams for precision. That’s the only way this can be done because a raw extrusion will have a certain amount of size variation.

AirForce Condor SS precharged air rifle baffles
This is the assembly of the parts inside the frame. Everything is shown in the correct position, below the rifle’s frame, wherein it all fits.

AirForce Condor SS precharged air rifle baffle detail
Here you can see how the baffles are designed. This isn’t crude!

But there’s more than just the baffles. The front barrel bushing has air holes that allow the compressed air that’s reflected by the baffles to pass through.

AirForce Condor SS precharged air rifle front barrel bushing detail
The front barrel bushing has holes that allow the compressed air to pass through — giving more room for it to expand inside the frame. That robs the air of its energy and lowers the report at the muzzle.

And the changes don’t even stop there. The rear barrel bushing now has an o-ring around its circumference to help stabilize the barrel inside the frame without transmitting any sound. When you change barrels now, you’re going to have to push the barrel out of the frame instead of it dropping out like it did previously.

AirForce Condor SS precharged air rifle rear barrel bushing detail
Here you see the rear bushing o-ring and rubber pad that cushions the striker spring. AirForce owners have not seen bushings like these.

Sound attenuation
I’m going to discuss the sound of the rifle tomorrow, but there are several technical things you need to know before we get to that, so we’ll look at those today. First, there’s the size of the hole through the baffles. The pellet needs room to pass through the baffle without touching the side as it goes through. The larger the hole through the baffle, the less risky it is…but the more compressed air can also pass through and the less quiet the gun will be.

Remember that all AirForce sporting rifles allow you to change barrels, so the baffles have to accommodate all calibers. Or, in this case, the largest 3 calibers — .20, .22 and .25. The .177-caliber Condor SS has its own baffles that cannot be used on the larger calibers.

Then, there’s the power the gun generates. The more power you are dealing with, the greater the volume of compressed air that has to be quieted. Reduce the power, and the sound also goes down.

That’s all for today. Tomorrow, I’ll give specific velocities with different pellets, shot count and pressure curves. I’ll also discuss a strategy for using this rifle in the most effective way, as I believe I’ve discovered that for you. After that, but not tomorrow, we’ll advance to accuracy testing at 25 and 50 yards.

But that will not complete this report. After I wrap up this test of the factory rifle, I’ll install a standard Talon SS tank and run more velocity and accuracy tests. That will probably complete what I’ve planned. I could easily go on and run tests with a Micro Meter tank, a CO2 tank and so on, but I think what I have planned will give all of us a good look at this remarkable new air rifle.

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Tom Gaylord (B.B. Pelletier)
Tom Gaylord, also known as B.B. Pelletier, provides expert insights to airgunners all over the world on behalf of Pyramyd AIR. He has earned the title The Godfather of Airguns™ for his contributions to the industry, spending many years with AirForce Airguns and starting magazines dedicated to the sport such as Airgun Illustrated.

85 thoughts on “AirForce Condor SS precharged air rifle: Part 3”

  1. Somebody at AF has definitely been reading the Talon Airgun Forum for quite some time now. It is amazing the love-hate relationship those two have.

    I noticed from your comparison photo that the spin-loc tank has a smaller volume than the older tanks.

    With the trigger assemblies, are they different enough that new holes could be drilled in the old frame without overlapping the old holes?

  2. Morning Edith,

    Just finished reading about the Walther LGV Challenger Ultra Air Rifle and the Walther LGV Challenger Air Rifle and it seems to my coffee starved brain that the descriptions and pictures are the same for each rifle. If my memory is semi working doesn’t the Ultra have a front sight with removeable inserts?


    • Mr B,

      I have looked at Umarex’s 2013 catalog, and the LGV Challenger & LGV Challenger Ultra are listed as having TruGlo fiber optic sights. In fact, their descriptions are identical in that catalog, which is why they’re pretty much the same on Pyramyd Air’s website. The only difference that I see are the muzzlebrakes…and how the Walther name is printed on the muzzlebrakes.


  3. Mr. B / Bruce: I just got my Walther LGV Master Ultra Air Rifle delivered yesterday, and that one does have removable inserts for the front sight. I know this doesn’t answer your question but I thought I’d throw it out there. Plus I wanted to brag about my new rifle. 🙂


      • twotalon: there were 3 twotalon. One on the rifle and 2 in a plastic baggie with a hex wrench. I didn’t get much of a chance last night to check out the gun really well, just swabbed the barrel with a couple patches. We had a heck of a rain storm yesterday so I didn’t even get an opportunity to run a couple pellets through it. The inserts appear to be a narrow post, wide post and a post with round tip (think of it as an upside down exclamation mark).

      • Bruce, I got in .177. The quality of workmanship is up there with my TX 200; the bluing isn’t quite as shiny as the TX but definitely outstanding quality. The rifle is heavy, and the barrel is shorter than I expected. I’m putting a Bushnell Banner 6-18×50 on it. If it shoots as well as it looks it’ll be placed between my TX and my R9 in the rack.


    • Congrats on the new rifle, Charlie! Brag away! We’re here to listen! The rain must’ve been aggravating… Same rules as rc toys. If you get something new to fly delivered, it’s guaranteed to be nasty out….


  4. twotalon,

    What is the difference between the the Challenger Ultra and the Challenger in PA’s description section in their catalogue except the $33.85 price differential?


  5. B.B.,
    Kudos to AirForce! Looks like they have covered all the bases in noise reduction. I see under new products that PA has an AirForce Sound-Loc Kit, .177-Cal Talon SS Upgrade, Superior Noise Reduction. Will it be available in .22/.25 caliber also?

    Do you have an AirHog “moderator” for your 24 inch barrel and how does it sound compared to the AirForce Condor SS? How does your Talon SS with its AirHog moderator sound compaired to the AirForce Condor SS?

    Thank you

      • In process of researching the Talon/Condor world for a possible purchase of a quiet (read Very quiet) gun, I too have reviewed the forums which do indeed document both a love/hate relationship w/ Air Force and an ongoing information exchange regarding aftermarket and homemade baffles for the Talon SS (Talon) imply that there have never been any oem baffles for the Talon (until now via the Sound-Loc Kit). I do not like the tactical look but want quiet badly enough to give up my prejudice.

        I had a PA Live Chat about this issue the other day with an “airgun expert” who claimed to own both Talon & Condor but either did not understand or did not want to talk about it or was not aware to the new kit; I politely gave up.

        Frame flex has been an ongoing complaint and having to apply artillery hold techniques to a pcp gun as a solution is apparently disappointing to some. Same goes for having to perch the butt on or about the collar bone in order to raise the ocular lens to eye level.


        • John,

          I will discuss sound tomorrow. Frame flex is a urban legend. It doesn’t exist, except with those rifles that have been modified in some destructive way.

          Now I’m not saying you can use a hasty sling on an AirForce rifle, but I bet there aren’t many people who even know what that is.

          As long as you hold the rifle normally (like a marksman and not like a mall ninja) you will not see the frame flex.


          • Thanks B.B.

            I’ve seen your video and red your reviews on perceived issues and trust your judgement. At this point, I think a .22 (or .177 if quieter altho I’m guessing there’s not much difference) Talon SS with the Kit on Low Power combined with the Talon’s smaller tank valve and with a partial fill will satisfy my goals which don’t require much fpe. The width and flatness of a power curve under those conditions, however, is of mild interest and to be determined (i definitely don’t mean by you who’ve got enough on his plate given all the variables we’re dealing with here).


  6. B.B.,

    I actually do have interest in how this rifle would “behave” with the micro-meter tank, but on the other hand, you are going to be bombarded with questions about this gun, so let me ask: do you believe the HPA conservation and pellet velocity with the M-M tank would be comparable to the Talon non-SS in the micro-meter tank test you did a while back (and still accessible on the AirForce website)? If so, I can simply study those numbers and apply them to this 18 inch barreled rifle.


    • Michael…

      To save B.B. some work…

      Should come out about the same. The micro uses a fixed volume of air for each shot, and with the same length and caliber of the barrel there should be no difference.


    • Michael,

      That’s difficult to say. I agree with twotalon that the performance should be about the same, because the MM valve can’t open more than it does, so the striker weight in the Condor SS isn’t going to affect it much. Maybe a little but not much.


  7. I’m finding it harder and harder to ignore these ugly guns.

    Adjustable power, extreme energy potential and shot count was always attractive. I’ve only shot a condor. Too loud and had average accuracy. The owner is a shooting buddy of mine and he always fought shifting poi.

    This new condor ss comes quiet, has an option of an onboard gauge and the groups B.B. shot with this gun blew me away. Eleven JSB 18.1-grain Jumbo Heavies went into 1.003 inches at 100 yards!

    The modularity of these guns makes my head spin. Seems that many guys are delighted by the endless modifications that can be done to these airforce guns and relish in the journey to “trick out” their rigs. I’m not one of those guys.

    I’d like to be able to order in from the factory the way it should be set up and be done with it so………here are my initial questions:

    1-The new condor ss has the option of a quick detach tank or a spin-loc tank.

    2- Do all spin-loc tanks come with a micrometer or does that create a third option of which tank should be installed?

    3-Is the quick detach tank the one that everyone is referring to as the “standard tank”?

    4-If you get double the shots from a standard tank why would you buy a spin-loc or spin-loc with micrometer?


    • kevin…

      Maybe one answer for you…

      “Standard tank” usually means a plain old Talon tank. Much less power than a Condor tank.
      Of course, less power means less air usage and more shots.

      What I find interesting is that the rifle that B.B. has here is essentially what my Talondor is…a Talon running on a Condor power supply. I expect his to get about as many shots as mine does, at about the same power level.


      • twotalon,

        Thanks. I think.

        So, a talon tank is a “Standard Tank” which means there’s a 4th option of a tank to attach. Gadzooks. I’ll be patient as instructed and await further information and hope this gets sorted out in my little brain.


        • kev….

          You have the standard Talon tank (valve).
          And the Condor tank (valve) for .22.
          And the Condor tank (valve) for .177.
          And the micrometer tank (valve).

          All of the above will be available in the original mounting configuration, and the new spin lock.

          How about that ?

          And what about barrels ? .177, .20, .22, .25. And in three different lengths !!!!

          You can spend some money. I know.


          • twotalon,

            Thanks again.

            I’ve almost made up my mind (unless someone experienced talks me out of it) that it will be one of the new condor ss models in .22 cal because it’s already quiet and the 18″ barrel seems to offer adequate power for my needs out to 100 yards.

            It’s the rest of the stuff like the right tank and maybe a more conventional stock that I’m struggling with. Looking forward to the next blog on this gun for these reasons.

            Seems like I have time to make these decisions since the condor ss is out of stock everywhere I’ve looked.


            • kev…

              I don’t know what your needs are, but for my own intentions I would not go 100 with it. I don’t even like to shoot a .22LR that far. Trajectory and wind, you know.


              • twotalon,

                Understand trajectory and know enough about wind to not shoot slow lightweight projectiles and expect accuracy at long range. I only intend to shoot it little or no wind.

                I need an airgun (since rimfires are not allowed where I’m shooting) set up to take out little pests at 90-120 yards (new colony has moved in). No way to sneak up on these little devils. I’ve got my s410 set up to shoot all ranges up to 90 yards and then it runs out of mil dots. Yes, I could change scopes but I really like the bushnell 4200.

                I have my eye on several airguns for this task but the condor ss is the least expensive.


                  • twotalon,

                    My rangefinder is a nikon something with magnification. It’s at my place in the mountains next to my pests. Works very well if you keep your fingers off the button that changes yardage readout from yards to meters. Don’t know why I always have to hit that button LOL!

                    I’ve been shooting these little ground squirrels with airguns for many years. Use a ranchero carbine at distances out to about 30 yards and beyond that have used the S410 mostly. Longest kill was 143 yards. Been clicking the 4200 and too often I lose track of where it’s set. Don’t want to click anymore. I want a rifle dedicated to these longer ranges.


                    • kev…

                      Gonna get the thread thin here…
                      Wish we had those critters here. Closest thing here that lives in the dirt is groundhogs. Takes a lot to drop them with one shot. The small ones this time of year are not too bad, but the big ones need some punch.


                • kev…

                  To give you some idea…

                  Plug 960 fps and 3.25 scope height along with Kodiaks into chairgun. That should give you a fair answer.


            • Kevin,

              you won’t be sorry but just amazed at how accurate this rifle really can be. I have the Talon SS which, as I said the other day, I bought from Mac (RIP) at Roanoke. My single major change was to put high mounts on for the scope so that I don’t have to twist my neck into a pretzel to use it. The “collar bone” hold, as BB showed sometime ago, just didn’t do it for me. Also, I am still toying with the idea of buying the angle adapter and guage from Talontunes. This will drop the air tank allowing the rifle to be closer to a typical stock of a rifle and, of course, the air guage is very desirable, as far as I’m concerned. I could then use a lower scope mount.

              As for shooting out to 100 yards, I’ve met you, I’ve talked to you (at Roanoke) and if anyone knows what the heck they’re doing, it’s you. Go for it but I learned my lesson at my one .22 rimfire benchrest competition. That separates the men from the boys, as far as I’m concerned.

              Fred DPRoNJ

              • Fred,

                Thanks for the compliments and the heads up on the angle adapter. Didn’t know about that. I’ve tried to get on the talontunes site several times and gave up. Since B.B. knows so much about these airforce guns I’m confident that all my questions will be answered in due time. Thanks for your help.


    • Kevin,

      Please hold your thought until tomorrow’s report. I clear up a lot of things there. Not only did I do velocity test6ing — I also went out to AirForce and tested the new rifle against a .22 Marauder, shot for shot.

      TT is correct that standard refers to the valve in the tank — not how the tank attaches to the rifle. That should take care of question 4, as well.


    • The thing about the 3D printer gun is that it still needs ammunition . Guns could be built by anyone with a machine shop, you don’t need a high tech or very expensive printers. What the gun control advocates HAVE noticed and are pushing is ammo control. You can have all the guns you want here in NY , but there is damn little to shoot in them.

  8. This is one of the guns on my most wanted list. I seriously want one, but as I am in Michigan I have to jump through a few hoops. I can’t just order it and find it on my door step in the morning. I’ll have to do some serious saving up for it. Then locate an FFL dealer that is willing to get it for me. Then I have to order it, pay for it and go get it when it comes in to the FFL dealer. Until then my regular Condor will have to do. I bought a Bull’seye Bill frame extender for my 24″ barrel. That quiets it down quite a bit unless I get all ham-fisted on the power wheel and crank it to max. But if I set it at around 5 or lower it’s fairly quiet. I’d be interested to know just how much quieter the Condor SS is to a regular Condor with a shrouded barrel like my set up is. I’d also like to see the set up like mine tested side by side with the new Condor SS for accuracy and power. With the infinite things you can do with Airforce rifles I bet this could easily go on to a 16 part test.
    I’d guess that the Condor SS would be a close match to my condor in accuracy. I’d expect nothing less from Airforce.But as I still sport a 24″ barrel I’d have beat this Condor SS for distance and power. Around this time of the year distance and power is 50% of the grade since I need that to take our wary pests like groundhogs and muskrat. Accuracy counts for the other 50%. In winter quiet is everything since I shoot indoors to keep up proficiency.

    • John,

      I will compare the discharge sound of a Condor with a bloop tube and the Condor SS I’m testing. I don’t know how long it will be before I get to it, but I’m thinking when I go out to the 50-yard range.

      If I seem to forget, just remind me, please.


      • You likely got this covered too, but since you have 6 inches less barrel than my Condor I am wondering where that power wheel needs to be to get optimum performance out of this gun. I’m assuming cranking it to high is going to waste air. It says on the PA description that max is 1100 fps. I’m thinking that shouldn’t be overly noisy. I know even with a frame extender I need to keep my Condor dialed down or it sounds like my Marlin model 60. I keep the speed down and all I get is the clunk of the striker hitting the air and the impact of the pellet.

  9. I have to ask the stupid question today. Everyone is calling this gun practically silent with all the new baffles and other goodies. The pyramyd air listing shows the gun as a 4-medium high on sound. What is the actual truth? I expected the gun would be down to a 2 or 1 by all the talk about how quiet it is.

  10. B.B.,

    I actually find the AA rifles to be very cool looking, always have.

    My question is this: can the new SS models be purchased without the spin-loc configuration? The aftermarket connectors that lower the tank an inch while also providing a gauge and fill probe seem to me preferable to the spin-loc.

    The factory tank/buttstock places the cheek weld so high that the scope must be about as high as Mt. Everest. I’m a target/plinker guy, so that is especially discouraging. If I’m going to have an AA rifle, the scope will have to be with low rings and no mount riser.

    I suppose the detachable stock extender could be reversed and the tank placed atop the shoulder, like a bazooka. A Condzooka SS!


    • Michael..

      High scope mounting has it’s problems. Mine run about 3.25″ over the bore. Because of the shape and balance, I have a tendency to severely cant. I put on clamp on levels on the groove in front of the scope on both of my Talons. I check and correct before each shot. Close trajectory problems because of scope height can be a pain.


        • I’m a bit of a purist on that. I never liked the old tank since I had to guess how much air was in the gun. So that used to be the deal breaker for me. As soon as the spin loc came out I was all over the Condor even though I wanted the Talon SS. But it all worked out. When I want a talon SS I simply swap barrels. But since I shrouded my 24 inch barrel I’ve been very happy with the noise reduction and the performance. It’s kind of a Condor SS on steroids now. But I still want the Condor SS.

  11. So, what exactly is new about this Condor? It sounds like the baffling system to tame the extremely loud noise and the Spin Loc tank which I’m supposing is some more convenient new development. But I guess we’ll learn about that.

    CowBoyStarDad, yeah you’ve got me with the texting lovers. Pope John Paul II said that love wants to be near the beloved which makes sense to me, so I do not get the texting. On the other hand, communication between lovers has never been what you would call optimal. There is the phenomenon of women expressing their attract to a guy by ignoring him. Maybe the texting would get around that–at least the awkward body language part.


    • Matt,

      Spin-loc provides a gauge and the ability to fill the rifle with the tank on. What it does not do, however, is lower the cheek weld, which is very, very high on AA air rifles.

      The baffles are a huge development for the condor, and even the Talon SS is quieter than it used to be because it, too, now has those cool baffles. Also, the safety is improved.


      • Matt 61

        Thank you Matt! All this time I thought most women found me repugnant. Turns out they were expressing their overwhelming attraction to my overpowering sex appeal by ignoring me. This is a great boost to my ego. (rimshot)

        Seriously though folks…

    • Wait a minute. You mean women will ignore you to try to attract you? So all those really great looking women who ignored me my whole life were really trying to send me a signal? They wanted me?

      Now you tell me!!!!

      Say, you want to buy a bridge, by any chance?

      Fred DPRoNJ

    • The Spin-Lock had been first announced almost two years ago… Apparently only now making it to regular production.

      Unanswered, in the earlier installment, is if regular tanks can be screwed into the Spin-Lock “bushing” (if the threaded portion hasn’t changed, and the overall length is the same, I’d think they would). And then the $64,000 question: could existing frames be retro-fitted to the Spin-Lock (a job that probably would entail milling out the existing threads of the frame to accept the “bushing”, drilling and tapping to place the set screw).

        • B.B.,

          I think that for me the ideal would be a Condor SS with non-spin-loc micrometer tank, fitted with a particular aftermarket gauge/filling nipple connector that lowers the cheek weld an inch.

          At low power settings, that sounds to me like a virtually silent, accurate, lightweight spinner and paper punching dream. Bazillions of silent, consistent shots per fill!


          • Michael..

            The micro does not really give you “consistent” shots. It runs a straight downhill curve. How far you are going to shoot will make a considerable difference in shot count as the velocity drops.
            The micro is a lot quieter than a standard tank. You can’t tune the rifle to get self regulation out of it.


        • The question, in my mind, is if the old frames have enough metal to permit milling them out to take the spin-lock bushing (perhaps some enterprising third-party shop?)

  12. For a medium/high power break barrel. Would it be correct to assume that a heavier one would be easier to shot? (less perceived recoil)? Or is there a break point were depending on the user a heavier rifle make it hard to shoot for someone?

    • I never really noticed a big recoil on my Condor no matter how heavy the pellet is or how many or few goodies I put on it. The best way to use an airforce gun is with a high power scope and a bipod. The guns excel at distance shooting and to make those distance shots a bipod is almost required to keep them as steady as possible.

        • Ok. I noticed something heavy like my Hatsan 125th at 1250 fps seems to have less recoil than my much lighter Savage Arms Enforcer at 1000 fps. That lighter gun has a wicked recoil that seriously hurts when it recoils. So where springers are concerned heavier I’d say is netter. But be sure you brace your forearm on a tree or something when you fire or the gun will tend to wander.

    • Henry,

      Normally what you say is true, but the tune on the gun has a lot to do with it, as well. I have seen well-tuned guns that were relatively light and still shot easier than rifles of similar power that weren’t as smooth.

      So weight is a factor, but so is the smoothness of the powerplant.

      The RWS Diana 34 used to be a real beast, in that it was a wild buzzing rifle out of the box. Thesze days it is pretty smooth.


  13. Also, what is the trick at getting the feed to work on rss readers (/blog//feed/) ?
    It looks just fine, but the articles don’t appear in any of the rss readers I use.

    • Peter,

      Welcome to the blog.

      There is a DVD that comes with your rifle. It ls an hour long manual. In it, I show how to remove the barrel in detail.

      Is that not helpful?

      The Condor SS comes with 3 baffles that have to be removed, but I covered them in this report.

      What more do you need?


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