Walther Terrus air rifle: Part 3

by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier

Part 1
Part 2
Part 4

Walther Terrus
Walther’s Terrus rifle with synthetic stock.

This report covers:

  • A sweet action
  • The artillery hold
  • Accuracy
  • Pellets that were less than promising
  • Groups that seem to hold promise
  • Where does this leave us?

Today, we’ll look at the Walther Terrus breakbarrel air rifle accuracy with open sights at 25 yards. I lit the target with a 500-watt halogen light and shot from a dark position, so the fiberoptic sights blacked out completely and looked like conventional post-and-notch sights.

A sweet action

When I cocked the rifle for the first shot, I was reminded of what a sweet action this rifle has. The cocking effort is light, and the breech locks up positively in a way I can’t describe. One click and it’s closed — solid. No muss, no fuss and no movement after the click. It feels like it has a barrel lock, but it doesn’t.

The artillery hold

We have a lot of new readers, so when I mention using the artillery hold for best accuracy, they’ll need to watch my short video to learn what it’s about. That’s usually the only way to get accuracy from a breakbarrel spring rifle, although there are a few exceptions.

I mentioned the artillery hold because the synthetic Terrus stock, with its wide beavertail swell on the forearm, forces you to rest the rifle with your off hand touching the triggerguard. Maybe forces is too strong a word. It strongly encourages you to do so. But when you do, the rifle feels good as it fires. The twang I mentioned in the earlier reports is now down to a minimum, although it’s still noticeable.

Accuracy

I’ll tell you right now — you aren’t going to be impressed by the accuracy from today’s test. The groups are all larger than I’d hoped. I shot off a rest at 25 yards using the open sights, and, lest you think I can’t shoot well that way, I’ll remind you that I did pretty good with the .22-caliber Walther LGV Challenger breakbarrel with open sights at 25 yards.

Today’s groups are not as good as those I shot 2 years ago with the LGV. They do show some promise, though — at least a couple of them do. So, I have hope that when this Terrus is scoped, it’ll become more accurate. Let’s see what it did.

Pellets that were less than promising

The first pellet I shot was the RWS Superdome. I thought it might do well, but 10 pellets went into a group that measured 1.773 inches between centers. That’s hardly good, and looking at the group you can see that the shots are scattered everywhere. I think Superdomes are out for this Terrus.

Walther Terrus Supwerdome group
At 25 yards, 10 RWS Superdome pellets made this 1.773-inch group.

The second pellet that seemed less than promising was the 15.89-grain JSB Exact Jumbo pellet. Ten of them made a 2.734-inch group that’s also a grouping of scattered pellets. This group is more vertical than horizontal, but it’s big no matter how you look at it.

Walther Terrus  JSB Jumbo group
At 25 yards, 10 JSB Exact Jumbos went into 2.734 inches.

Groups that seem to hold promise

Let’s look at a couple groups that seem to offer promise of better accuracy. These groups are still too large; and by their numbers alone, they don’t give much hope. But let’s examine them closely.

The first group was shot with Crosman Premiers. Ten shots went into 2.151 inches, which is terrible. But look at the group. Six of those pellets are nestled in a 0.849-inch cluster. That’s much better, and I wonder if aiming errors sent the other pellets away from the main group.

Walther Terrus Premier group
Ten Crosman Premiers went into 2.151 inches, but 6 of them are clustered in 0.849 inches. Is this a better pellet for the Terrus?

The other pellet that seemed to want to do better was the JSB Exact RS. While 10 went into 1.806 inches, it was a very vertical group. If I hadn’t messed up the aiming, this would be more of a half-inch group.

Walther Terrus RS group
Ten JSB Exact RS pellets went into this long group measuring 1.806 inches between centers. It’s too large, but is this due to an aiming error? It looks like it.

Where does this leave us?

I’m not making excuses for the rifle’s performance, but I don’t want to write off the Terrus as inaccurate just yet. I really need to get a scope mounted and see what that does.

There’s so much to like about the Terrus. I like the easy way it cocks. I like the trigger. I like the positive way the breech closes. And I like the price. Man, do I like the price! If it’s also accurate, I want very much to give it my blessing as the best buy at the price.

I won’t be unreasonable in my demand for accuracy. But a rifle is supposed to hit what it shoots at; and no matter how nice the Terrus is, I haven’t seen that yet.

Next, I’ll scope the rifle, and we shall see what it can do.

76 thoughts on “Walther Terrus air rifle: Part 3


  1. Where does this leave us? How about a post? Diana 340 N-TEC Classic? Accuracy? My choice Diana 340 N-TEC Luxus! I have a Diana model 24, Has a D underneath the Model 24, also made in West Germany! Seems to be the BEST most accurate air rifle I own!!! I want to start shooting and collecting again! BUT? I want the BEST! Your a very good salesman!! Semper fi!



    • Joe,

      Probably not. BB said it was locking up real nice and solid. The only issue would be if the pivot screw was loose, but then you would likely see the groups opening horizontally.

      Now he might want to check the stock screws just for giggles.

      I know sometimes I have a difficult time with open sights and at those times my groups tend to open vertically.




        • Joe,

          That is a good question. One reason it’s there is because target shooters of the 1960s demanded it. Even then they went away from the recoilless breakbarrel Diana target rifles and embraced the FWB 150 and 300.

          Diana lost momentum, so when they finally did bring out their 75 fixed-barrel recoilless target rifle, FWB was way ahead.

          Here is a question for you. Weihrauch put a barrel lock on all their 55 target rifles except for the SF model. Why is that? Obviously to save money, but did it kill sales? The SF was the cheapest 55, yet it is also the rarest, because few people bought them. I don’t know the answer.

          B.B.


          • BB,
            Perhaps the locking beech makes cocking smoother and less effort, but since it is an added cost, cheaper breakbarrels don’t have this feature.

            The locking beech does require that you press down on that lever then slide you hand down the barrel to grab the muzzle to cock the gun. Why don’t they make this sequence more simple by having the lever where your right hand can easily reach it and thus allow your left hand to simple grab the muzzle of the barrel. This I think makes cocking even smoother and faster.


            • Joe,

              Another good question.

              There have been some differences in the locking levers. I find the HW35 lever to be the easiest to use, since it sets up your cocking hand if you are right-handed. CZ rifles locate the lever forward of the breech and beneath the barrel and older Haenels and Falkes put it on the right side, where I find it difficult to use. HW has a lock that is opened separately from cocking the barrel. It must also be locked manually after closing the barrel.

              So many different designs.

              B.B.



                • Tpn, Ditto on the right handed shooter that cocks with the left!
                  I’m finally starting to get where I can cock my QB-36 without hurting my shoulder.
                  it was cocking the Regal left handed how I injured it a few months back.


          • I suspect the LGV locking breech eliminates point of impact shifts (POI) with varying breech o-ring thickness and height above the breech surface, though I’ve not tested my LGV it to confirm it as a benefit. I can tell you that o-rings can take a set. I’ve seen significant POI shifts on scoped break barrel springers, depending on whether I store them with the breech cracked open or closed, which compresses the o-ring during storage. They include my Diana 34, which appears to lock up tight, but the angle of its barrel with the frame tube must still change with o-ring dimension changes. I further suspect that the locking breech might reduce POI shifts with changes in temperature due to the o-ring compression varying with temperature. Supposedly Viton 75 o-rings are good for having very little “memory” when compressed and they tend to not take a set. I purchased a bunch of them, but haven’t installed any of them yet.


  2. get that scope on her, they’ve got a decent reputation for accuracy over here in blighty, it hasn’t got a particularly heavy piston so seems to do better with 7.9 to 8.2 pellets….being Walther barrels they do like JSB, some Falcons or AA Fields may be the answer
    Though having antimony’d it up with CP a clean might be in order.
    A lot of vertical stringing, sights not on the move are they?
    Put a big scope on there, these mid weight rifles, half the time a good old pound or two strapped on gets them on target I can’t get a rifle under 9.5lb scoped to group half as well as the big boys….you can normally tell because the occasional good group or part of group turns up.
    Not sure you’ll see LGV groups turn up but certainly BSA Lightning, Diana 34, HW50 groups …. All reviews I’ve read and the Century I’ve shot…point to pretty good on target…though I was only knocking matchboxes off a fence at 40 yards using a Nikko 4-12×50….it did it with aplomb.


    • Dom,

      I for one certainly do hope he can persuade this air rifle to do better. This is more in line with my present budget than what I would like to buy.

      I am a bit confused though. You mentioned that you shot a Century. I that not a different model than the Terrus, sort of between the Terrus and the LGV?


      • Wood stock is the lot I think, we aren’t offered a wood stock Terrus, so I think it’s a marketing thing, ie your wood stock Terrus is our century
        The Germans either wanted to baffle us Brits or keep things simple for you colonials 🙂




            • You’re right Ridgerunner, I’ve just been chatting to the owner of the Century and it does indeed have a barrel lock, maybe it was because I was shooting my 35 or, more lijely, I’m old and confused, but it didn’t stick in my memory.
              He thinks his has a Terrus trigger…but he’s not sure himself


  3. Oh golly gee whiz, the suspense is killing me! Does it shoot or does it not?! If I run across one at the show, do I get it or walk on by?

    If I do get one I will have to rip those glowy thingy sights off though. Very likely LGV sights will fit it. It would also have to have a wood stock, maybe walnut. Maybe a little nicer trigger. Oh my goodness, this is starting to sound like an HW35E!

    I have a feeling I am going to have a rough time at this show. 🙂


    • A plain, post 1985 HW35 in 22 Ridgerunner, the pick of the bunch I think, the K (carbine) model if you can.
      Totally unpretentious, PTFE piston seal, a good dollop more power (11fpe) than a 177 with long barrel, with no deterioration in firing behaviour, pin accurate and little as sweet as a Rekord with a quarter of a century of smoothness in it.
      Fit an equally unpretentous 6×40 with PA and that’s as close to the “do all” rifle as I can imagine.
      It’ll kill me if BB doesn’t fit a Diopter to his one, to make the most of the long sight line from that 22″ barrel




  4. I purchased a Terrus in .177, noticed the slight twang with the first shot so ran around 50 shots through the rifle then tore it down and tightened all the internals and gave it a good lube. Now no twang…looks to be a modified Gamo 220/440, B-18/19 type action the trigger is much better however. Not had time to run any accuracy tests yet due to wind here in Iowa but will be doing some as soon as possible, will go with the open sights first as Tom has then add a scope and see what happens…I am surprised that the .22 doesn’t shoot better than what Tom has found…from what little I have shot the .177 it seems to be better…


    • Mike,

      I’m glad to hear what you have done to your Terrus. I really want this rifle to be accurate, and at the power I don’t see why it isn’t. I expected to wow everyone with nickel-sized groups today, but it just didn’t happen.

      If the rifle will shoot, I will buy it and tune it, because at the price I think it would be the best spring rifle Pyramyd Air has to offer.

      B.B.


  5. Those were my thoughts also, as I am a PA dealer now I am looking to provide what PA doesn’t have the time to do…just hope I get their blessing on the idea…




  6. I’d really like to see this terrus perform better in the accuracy department. I think it can….

    Don’t believe for a moment that the consistent vertical stringing is because of B.B.’s inability to shoot. I do believe something is moving on the gun that shouldn’t be moving.

    Cleaning the barrel, as suggested by others, makes sense. Take that out of the equation.

    I’m more suspicious about the sights and stock screws being snug. Although it locks up like a vault, I still suspect an inconsistent lockup. After the lockup seeing if there is up and down play in the barrel is warranted. When I see vertical stringing I also like to give the barrel one last nudge upwards, then settle in gently so as to not knock the barrel downwards, then take the shot. A new breech seal will create an inconsistent lockup even though it feels tight and sounds tight when initially shut.

    One last thought is about the synthetic vs. wood stock on the terrus. On PA’s sight the specs are the same weight, 7.52 lbs. I’d be very surprised if the synthetic version weighed the exact same as the wood version. I know B.B. initially shot Euster’s ?? wood stocked version of the terrus and liked the accuracy. Maybe the synthetic version is lighter or has different harmonics that make it jumpier? Don’t know. I do know that synthetic versions of the same break barrel models shoot differently than their wood stocked brothers. Rarely better.

    kevin


  7. B.B.
    Nice report as always! Why still use the JSB Exacts Jumbos? Not accurate in my rife or this one, or any one that I can remember. Not worth the premium price.
    Is the Terrus a droopper?

    Yogi


  8. Uh oh. Things are not looking good for the poor man’s high quality gun. I like cocking my guns as much as the next, but that’s not a substitute for accuracy. As a related point, I am actually getting into trying out different pellets. I’ve expanded my repertoire by one to include Crosman Premiers! I tried them out early on and dropped them from concern about leading the barrel that was probably excessive. Now, I see that they do well. And their domed shape makes the hole and the subsequent groups look smaller which is not a bad thing.

    New shooters, you will want to look at B.B.’s artillery hold video. This is one of those rare concepts that gives instant results. There was a noticeable difference from the first time I tried it based on simple instructions, and I’ve never looked back.

    Mike, so, how many shots in your M1 groups? 🙂 A 1.5 MOA with handloads is good. I got a test target for my gun with five shots from a vise with a group that measured 0.9 inches. Technically just under MOA to make good on the guarantee although my gunsmith admitted that most people cannot shoot as well as a vise. My rifle is probably not perceptibly different from yours. The gunsmith said that the gas system adjustment was to introduce uniformity into the accuracy of the M1 series. Without it, the adjustment is hit and miss. I was paying for the guarantee, but it looks like you lucked out. Still, I haven’t given up. Even with a not quite satisfactory load, the gun shot 48 rounds into 3 inches minus a couple fliers. The fifth of a grain difference in load was never so exciting as on this next trip.

    Matt61


    • Matt 61,

      The artillery hold is the ticket most of the time but a few of my springers do as well or better rested. It depends on what you are using the rifle for.

      G&G


    • I most often shoot five shots for group. I don’t shoot a lot of groups off of bags. I like off hand shooting. Last year I shot my M-1 in a Military Rifle match. The event was a “Mad Minute” starting with an empty rifle, load and fire at a 100 yard target as many times as you can in one minute off hand standing. The most hits wins. I made 21 shots and 21 hits. That was good enough for the win. This sort of shooting is much more fun than shooting groups. :]

      Mike


      • Mike,

        I am assuming the target was app. 8″ round or square. If si, that’s some fine shooting. I do a fair amount of off-hand shooting as well but I can sit and shoot paper targets for hours. It’s like an addiction. I think this is true for most competitive precision shooters.

        G&G


        • G&G
          I’m the same way. I like one shot per bullseye then I move on to my next target.

          I like to see how close to the bullseye each single shot at each target will land in the same place on each target.

          I just always have that one shot one kill playing in my head when I’m shooting.

          I’m really having a blast (literally) with my .25 caliber Marauder shooting out at a hundred yards plus. The gun is actually being scary accurate at those distances bench resting.

          I’m loving it. 🙂


  9. Sorry to be so off topic, I am new to this site and could not see another way to ask a question. My first mistake was buying a pellet gun at Wal Mart, no returns. Second mistake was believing the hype about a “quiet” gun.
    I got a Gamo Bone Collector….and it is not quiet. I have learned here that certain guns like certain pellets, does anyone know what this gun likes ? I have not shot it that much, I get frustrated at the lack of accuracy. The scope also seems to want to creep, I am afraid to tighten the mount anymore for fear of stripping. Should I not worry and try tightening it more ?
    Thanks – Bruce


    • Bruce,

      Welcome to the blog.

      We don’t worry about staying on topic here. You can talk about anything that’s civil.

      Okay, now you own a Gamo Bone Collector. All is not lost.

      First, your rifle is quieter than you think. As the shooter you hear more noise than others because the sound comes through the stock and is conducted by the bones in your face. Have a friend shoot your rifle and it will sound different.

      Next, Gamos do need to break in. They are stiff and crunchy when they are new, but they usually wear in to become very nice spring guns. The triggers that are stiff and creepy will smooth out a lot after a few thousand shots.

      Now, as for pellets, I don’t know the best ones for a Bone Collector. I assume yours is a .177?

      I would look at H&N Baracudas (including Baracuda Match) and I would buy the 4.51mm head size. They do come in different head sizes and, as you will learn tomorrow, head sizes make a big difference.

      Try JSB Exact Jumbo 10.34-grain pellets, too. And try RWS Superdomes.

      If one of our readers owns a Bone Collector I’m sure they will tell you what works best. I have recommended heavier pellets to get the velocity down. That’s not for accuracy, but to reduce the vibrations when the rifle fires.

      Now for the accuracy. You are going to have to learn to use the artillery hold. See my video here:

      https://www.pyramydair.com/article/The_artillery_hold_June_2009/63

      Your Bone Collector isn’t going to be an easy pellet rifle to shoot, but after you have a few hundred shots through it things will start coming together for you.

      We have all gone through what you are experiencing right now. In fact one of our readers, Rich Sharr, has developed a tune for the bigger Gamo rifles that smooths their firing cycle quite a bit.

      So, hang in there and we’ll get you though this. 😉

      B.B.


      • >We don’t worry about staying on topic here. You can talk about anything that’s civil.

        🙂 B.B., (and others), Remember my interest in an accurate survival hunting BB gun (offering the cheapest possible ammo)? I gave up on the idea and decided to try to learn to shoot a slingshot like the great Bill Hays (and others). The “poor man’s shooting sport” is tough to do well but it’s interesting that many years ago, a slingshot shooter who could hit a soda can 10 out of 10 times at 10 yards was a world class shooter. Now anyone who is serious about the sport can do it (and better)! Here’s my thread on 3D printing one of Bill’s “ergo” designs, which contains a bunch of 3D printing stuff too. Just FYI:
        http://slingshotforum.com/topic/42128-first-3d-printed-boy-scout/

        -Cal


        • Cool about the slingshot! I just got new consumables for my old wrisytocket. Although Inevet considered myself any good with one.I did have luck taking game.
          If you can get within slapping distance it does a marvelous job!
          I rebuilt this folding one.To stay in my tacklebox. 🙂

          Reb



            • You’d be surprised at all the tasty critters I’ve had creeping around my campsite.using a slingshot requires stalking skills to get within effective range but they’ll launch just about anything you can fit in the pouch.


        • Calin,

          I just looked a that forum, as I’ve been interested in slingshots for years. I see Bill Hays is located in Texas. Could you ask him to contact me ([email protected])? I spoke to Tom about him, and we’d like to invite him to the upcoming Texas Airgun Show to do some demo shooting for us.

          Thanks!
          Edith


      • thanks for the help B.B.
        will order some of those pellets soon – .177
        one of the coolest things about airguns I have seen was a you tube video shot in England. They had a pre-charged rifle, with a clip that used a bolt action. The scope had a camera mounted on it, they could show it in slow motion and see the pellet impact target. They took a long head shot at a crow in the top of a tree, the pellet was high but removed some feathers. I only need to hit starlings and english sparrows at 50 feet.

        Bruce


    • Bruce,

      I agree with BB that the artillery hold is a must for this rifle. Although I don’t own a Bone Collector I do have the Silent Cat. Artillery hold and JSB Heavies 10.34 grains are the right combo for the Silent Cat and it shoots pretty darn good. That’s the only reason I’ve kept it.

      G&G


    • Bruce,
      I wish you the best of luck with learning your new Springer!
      That said I have experienced no problems around this area returning Wiggins to Wally’s.I’ve returned 2 Crosman Quests, one Beeman RS2 and one Umarex XBG within the last 10 years and just because I needed the money back. Granted, they were all impulse buys.


  10. A couple thoughts on the accuracy of this Terrus.

    First I really believe the gun will get better when scoped.

    Second I believe the design of the stock is causing problems. I think the gun needs to be rested closer to the end of the stock where the barrel breaks.

    I just went through trying to get the hold figured out on my .22 caliber hw97. And its a fixed barrel underlever. The gun definatly had accuracy issues the more I rested the gun towards the trigger gaurd. The farther I was away from the trigger gaurd with my front rest the better the gun grouped.

    I think the front rest position is affecting the accuracy of the Terrus.


    • Hello Gunfun1
      I wasn’t aware you owned an HW97 in .22 cal, however my memory is not something I rely upon too much these days. The Hw 97 in .22 was the first real good pellet gun I purchased 6-7 years ago when I started reading BB’s blogs, and taking his ideas and recommendations seriously. I think it was Twotalon that swayed my decision most. I’m surprised you find it difficult to find an accurate hold for your 97. Mine shoots well whether held close to the trigger, or along the checkering. It also groups well when I just use my Caldwell Rock Jr. rest. I found my 97 likes H+N FTT 5.54 pellets by a long shot. The 5.53’s are a close second, and then 5.55’s. All these pellets fit nice and snug in the breach.
      Of coarse the one thing I have learned from faithfully reading this blog, is to make no assumptions about THE right, or wrong way when it comes to airguns. Meaning accept the fact no two airguns are alike when it comes to shooting. BB has given us plenty of good advice to use as a base line for attaining good groups from the time we take the gun out of the box. The rest is up to us, and is what I consider the “fun” part of shooting. Finding the right hold, pellets, and the myriad of other things particular to airgun shooting. Happy shooting
      Ciao
      Titus


      • Hey Titus
        Yep I got it about 3 weeks ago. Its a thumb hole stock version also.

        Maybe other people that has a unturned one might think different. But I’m just going to come straight out and say it.

        My .177 caliber Tx (its tuned so that’s kind of a unfair advantage towards the Tx). And my .22 caliber Walther LGU will totally blow the hw97 away in how easy they are to hold and shoot and get a good group.

        My 14 and 17 year old daughters can bench rest all 3 guns and the Tx and LGU always produce the best groups for them. They don’t move (bump) or vibrate when they shoot.

        I guess my Tx tune has me spoiled and the LGU ain’t far behind the TX. The LGU does have a bump to it but it doesn’t seem to matter at the target.

        Oh and I sold the 97 yesterday. Just not my idea of what to expect from a upper end springer when you compare dollars to my Tx and LGU. Way better performing guns that anybody can pick up and shoot and get good results.

        I’m not really that good of a shooter. The guns are. I just hold on in the right places. And some just don’t seem to allow me to do that and get the results I want.
        🙂


    • I also think the accuracy will improve significantly with a scope. As an example, Giles with the Airgun Gear Show shot his Terrus at 25 yards with a scope. His groups appear to be in the 1/2″ range. However, he was shooting a .177 cal. and since he is in England it’s probably set up for 12 ft/lbs. Those two items could alone account for the differences.

      G&G


  11. One thing is certain, this rifle has a genyoowin Lothar Walther tube hanging off the front, it’s as consistent as you can reasonably expect a new rifle to be, decent trigger, positive barrel lock up and fairly smooth cycle
    If that combination of elements doesn’t make an accurate rifle it really will be a bit of a head scratcher as to why not!


    • Dom,
      You just awoken me and thus I have a thought…This Terrus has a good trigger and a LW barrel, so why doesn’t it shoot accurately? Many people said +90% of the accuracy is in the barrel.


  12. Joe, we don’t really know it’s accuracy yet, and because of the known elements of this rifle it needs a second chance with a different sighting system, I’ve never seen a Walther barrel give a truly poor performance, but then apart from Walthers own range there aren’t many on break barrels
    As in all things, the odd “ringer” can get through though Walther’s QC is, frankly, second to none.
    Don’t dismiss it as inaccurate just yet, though if it does turn out that way, in this instance I’d ask for a second rifle in a way I wouldn’t with a viciously recoiling Turkish or Chinese rifle


    • Dom,
      I don’t share your view about Walther airguns. I have a Walther LP200 and it doesn’t shoot well. I used to own a Walther LGM-2 and that gun doesn’t shoot nearly as well as my FWB 601. Ever since, I buy only FWB for 10-meter airguns. You could see why I don’t trust Walther and even the LW barrels. Yes, I know that Air Arms have LW barrels, but maybe Air Arms gets the better barrels that you and I don’t get because Air Arms buys in large quanities, they can make certain demands.


      • Joe
        Sorry for butting in here but just got to add my two cents.

        I have had several guns that had the Walther Lothar barrels and have has good success with them. Matter of fact that is one of the qualities I look for when I’m checking out a new gun to buy. If it has the Walther Lothar barrel.


      • And Daystate, and Steyr and Hammerli and Airforce and FX and Brocock and…and…and etc
        I’m a reactionary about a lot of things and am quite happy to challenge a lot of accepted wisdom and airgun mythology…and there’s a lot of it, but I’d struggle to say Lothar Walther make a bad barrel….I’m not sure an FT championship has been won without one.
        That’s taking nothing away from FWB…or Anschutz in the 10m world, or indeed Weihrauch, BSA and Crosman in other disciplines


  13. Gunfun1,
    Your comments are always welcome, and sometimes it is “Food for Thought” for me.
    My FWB 601 (which I still have) can shot a 0.09″ group c-t-c, 10-shots at 10-meters with H&N Hi-Speed ammo. My old Walther LGM-2 can only manage a 0.15″ group. An average Olympic 10-meter air rifle groups about a 0.10″. As for my LP200, I never sand bag it to see how well it can perform because I don’t need to, it shoots like a shotgun. With that said I used to own a TX200 with an LW barrel and that gun shot very well. But LW is not the same company as Walther. I think that is why the LGM-1 then the LGM-2 then the LG200/201, then the LG300 are SHORT LIVE, meaning it didn’t take Walther long to move to the next revision. Perhaps that is the reason Walther was sold to Umarex; they couldn’t compete with Anschutz and FWB.


    • Joe
      Yep I knew the Walther guns and the Walther Lothar barrels is a different place.

      But back to the Terrus. I just wish I knew what it felt like when it shoots.

      Some spring guns like to bump backwards stronger than others. Some like to bump the muzzle of the gun up. And some like to make the gun vibrate side to side. And some guns will even do all 3 things when they shoot. And the gun that does all 3 things in the same shot cycle are seriously a son of a gun to shoot and group good.

      I still believe the scope will help the Terrus shoot better. I think the precise aim point from the reticle will help pin point a aim spot on the target and let the shooter be more aware of how much movement they are allowing when the trigger is pulled.

      And speaking of triggers. Maybe thats a problem with the guns accuracy too. If the pressure is high enough it could be bumping the gun around when it shoots. The more I shoot the more I am drawn to the lightest trigger I can possibly have. The trigger that is on my FWB 300s I got from RidgeRunner is to die for. I think if every air gun had the 300s trigger that gun would improve in shooting quality.

      And then on the note of gun placement on the rest. I had some springers do some weird groups by just moving the gun stock location on he rest. Heck I have had springers shoot 3″ higher than my last group by relaxing the hold.

      I believe when talking springers they are guns that really need to be paid attension to hold repeating. In other words really try hard to place the gun in the same spot and hold with the same pressure every shot.

      They are definatly not as easy to shoot as a pcp gun. And if you do find a springer that you can let any of your buddies or kids or wife shoot and they can produce good results with that gun you best not get rid of that gun.

      I just think some springers are more forgiving in shot qualities than other springers. I can say one thing for sure when you get that good shooting springer you will know it.


      • Gunfun1,
        I certainly agreed with you about having a good trigger. The trigger on my Daisy 953 is so bad that sometimes I pull it off target.

        I read you comments about spring airgun with much interest. It seems like making a spring airgun that can shoot accurately is more of a mystery than a Pneumatic. As for now the airgun companies that can produce accurate spring airguns will not let out their secret. People like you and I will just have to wonder and think about it.

        As for airgun barrels, I wish FWB or Anschutz make airgun barrel blanks for the public just like LW. I learnt many years back that the barrel rifling of the Anschutz 2002 are chrome plated. I am willing to pay twice as much as a LW barrel for a FWB or Anschutz barrel.


        • Joe
          I think a good barrel is worth its weight in gold.

          I would definatly like to have choice of more barrels. Or should I say even more choices than we have already. Thats what I always liked about hot rodding the old cars. I always tryed to by the car to hot rod that had all kinds of parts available.

          And its just the physics of the way a spring gun works verses a pneumatic gun.

          A spring gun gets the trigger pulled and you get the spring boing. Pull the trigger on a pneumatic gun and the only thing you feel from them is a light 3 or 4 ppound spring moving the striker forward about a inch. So everything in a pneumatic gun has things that could affect gun movement on a much smaller scale than the spring and piston in a springer.

          Some of the companies that are making the better or should I say more tame shooting spring guns have spent the time to design in the things that work against making a NOT smooth spring gun.

          So for me what I found with spring guns is the more tamer the shot cycle the easier it is for me to make that springer group.

          I don’t have think there is any big secrets to making a spring gun smooth shooting. You just have to learn what it takes to calm the normal action of a spring. To me a spring gun is just a shock absorber. The better the shock is absorbed the better the shooting characteristics of the gun will be.

          Not really that hard to figure out.


          • Gunfun1,

            What bothers me most after reading BB’s article is that the Terrus doesn’t group tight. It has a good barrel and a good trigger. BB said the firing cycle is fairly smooth better than the FWB Sports, and BB knows how to shoot a spring airgun very well. So WHY doesn’t this airgun group tight? This is the big $64 question (as the saying goes). I hope the problem is just the open sights in the Terrus. Let see what the results are after BB mounted a scope and shoot it again. If it still doesn’t group tight, then we got a lot of figuring out to do.


            • Joe
              Well this Terrus is definatly trying to make a show of itself. A little mystery gun.

              I think the gun will improve in time. It just might be one of those springers that takes a good 1000 or more shots to get with the program.

              Until next time and maybe the Terrus will give as a few more clues as to what it wants. I just love these air guns.


              • Speaking of breaking in springers, I picked up some of those fluorescent reinforcemts today and I’m gonna tap the scope in for short range to see how it’s fairing.
                It’s coming up to 1000 rounds since I’ve had it so it actually should be over 1000 by now but I’m about to have to order more 10.34JSB’s as well as 4 tons of .22 Monsters for the 2400.
                I’m at 35 shots on a 2000 psi fill with what appears to be the plenty of power(haven’t touched the transfer port yet or any hammer mods) with a HIpac and one extension.


                • Reb
                  Sounds like your hi-pac is giving you a good amount of shots on your 2400.

                  So how many pumps is it taking you with the pump to get back to 2000 psi. And what is your pressure down to after 35 shots?


      • Gunfun 1,

        I completely agree with you about light triggers. The triggers on my competition guns are always 8 oz. or usually less. I absolutely love these triggers. I almost never push or pull a shot due to a heavy trigger pull. Once in a blue moon I will fire before I’m set because of the trigger but that’s an issue I can live with since it’s so rare.

        G&G


        • G&G
          My triggers are the same way. The lighted I can get them the better.

          And like you I very seldom pull a shot anymore because of touching the trigger to soon.

          Once you get use to them being light they are very controllable.

          I just about can’t stand a heavy trigger anymore.

          Matter of fact I shot my Winchester 190 semi-auto .22 with some long rifles last Sunday and its been probably close to a year since I shot it.

          But it felt like the trigger was like pulling a ton of bricks. I’ll tell ya my airguns are spoiling me.

          But I like it. 🙂


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