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DIY Webley Mark II Service: Part 3

Webley Mark II Service: Part 3

by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier

Webley Mark II Service
Webley Mark II Service air rifle.

Part 1
Part 2

A history of airguns

This report covers:

  • The problem
  • Trim the seal
  • Shim the old seal
  • Hole punch
  • Refit the old seal and shim
  • Does it work?

It’s been a while since we looked at the Mark II Service air rifle, asnd I thought it was time to take another look. You will recall in Part 2 I tested the velocity and found the rifle was shooting very slow. There was also a large puff of air at the breech that told me the breech seal needed to be replaced. I ordered one from the UK that took 3 weeks to arrive. When it got here I discovered it had to be sized to fit the breech. That has been shoving the report to the back burner, week after week, until I decided to do something about it.

The problem

Let me show you what I’m up against.

Webley Mark II breech seals
The old breech seal (left) is both smaller and thinner than the new one.

Webley Mark II breech
The breech seal goes into the space in the breech (arrow).

To gain access to the breech I removed the barrel. Thank goodness that is easy to do. Now there is a straight, clear line to the breech.

Trim the seal

The new seal needs to be trimmed to fit into the breech. There are several ways to resize fiber seals. You can trim them with a razor knife, which I did Friday, or you can chuck them in a drill and turn them against a file. That would be the better way, because it is more precise.

Webley Mark II trim breech seals
I trimmed the edge of the new seal with a razor knife. It still does not fit.

So I spent a couple hours this past Friday and Saturday working on the seal. I didn’t get it small enough to fit, but then it dawned on me that this was the perfect opportunity to show you a field fix that’s based on redneck engineering. Instead of rushing the seal trimming, I could repair the old seal and probably restore the rifle’s power another way. If that is successful, I can take my time and trim the new seal properly.

Shim the old seal

The trick is to shim the old seal. It really doesn’t matter what sort of shim material I use because this shim will only be temporary. I used a paper business card. I held the card under the old seal and trimmed around the edges with a small scissors. But there is still the hole to make in the center of the shim.

Webley Mark II breech shim
The shim is trimmed to fit and the center hole has been punched out. It’s ready to go.

Hole punch

I used a small hole punch to make the shim’s center hole. The one I used is close enough to the size of the transfer port pipe in the breech that the shim fit over it snuggly. Then the old breech seal fit over the pipe and stood proud of the breech — the way a new seal will.

Refit the old seal and shim

Now it was time to see if my redneck fix worked. The shim went into the breech first and fit well, then the old seal was pressed down over the transfer port pipe. It fit perfectly.

Webley Mark II breech seal installed
The shimmed breech seal is installed. It stands proud of the breech and should seal better.

Does it work?

There’s just one way to know is the shimmed breech seal works — by shooting the gun. I will save that test for next time.

79 thoughts on “Webley Mark II Service: Part 3”

  1. I had to replace the breech seal in my Tempest. To get one to fit, also had to order it from England, but it fit perfect, no trimming was necessary. This will be a nice follow up on one of the things you mentioned in an earlier post. How much power do we lose with a faulty breech seal. Looking forward to the rest of the test.

  2. Or you can chuck the seal up in a lathe.

    But you need a threaded rod that is a precise fit to the seals hole in the middle.

    Well, the better the fit, the better the seal will come out. Then I put a small diameter washer on each side of the seal and a nut on each and tighten slightly without compressing the seal.

    Then the rod can be chucked in the lathe or a hand drill like what BB described. Then the final touches can be made.

  3. B.B.,

    Interesting. It is a shame that you ordered one and still had, have yet, to make it fit. It would be interesting to know if it was “supposed” to fit. Why fiber and not synthetic? Or leather? I see you have an arbor punch (set?). The leather punches with the rotary head is another option for the id. I am surprised that a paper business card did the trick. I would have gone for a sour cream container lid, or something in that thickness range. Is the seal impregnated with any sort of oil or wax? My thoughts would be to try and make one from a leather belt, a piece of rubber or even go to the Mom and Pop hardware a check out their little drawers full of goodies or the plumbing repair section.

    Sorry, just some of my random thoughts and ramblings. All of that, while pondering a breech seal. I suppose that you might be trying to keep it all original. Still, a major bummer that it did not fit as received.


  4. BB,

    I chucked up the piston of my BSA when I was repairing the galling on it. A bastard file and some emery cloth helped out right nicely. A sandpaper wheel did the tube nicely also. A little of what you call redneck engineering can work wonders.

    I did take the piston to work and put it on a lathe to remove the broken seal screw and re-tap the hole.

  5. This is way off topic, but I am pretty excited about the Ataman A16 air pistols. Finally there will be an air pistol that is reasonably powerful in a pistol sized package and a multi shot to boot.

    These and the Rex will be stirring up some stuff soon.

  6. B.B.,

    In case you wish to conserve your valuable cache of vintage No. 2 Eley Wasps, which, like the vintage Webley bores, are Imperial .22 / 5.6mm, I’ve found the 5.55mm H&N Field Target Trophy .22 Cal, 14.66 Grains, Round Nose (/product/h-n-field-target-trophy-22-cal-14-66-grains-round-nose-500ct?p=913) are much less sloppy in the breech of my slant grip Senior than the other contemporary pellets I’ve tried. Apparently Defiants and Champion Queen Bees work well, but they are almost as pricey as vintage Eley Wasps.


  7. What material is the new seal made from, and how thick is it? If it is within the capabilities of my unit, I’d be happy to laser-cut you a seal to whatever dimensions you need for your breach.

  8. How about a test of the new Crosman Legacy 1000 multi-pump? It would be interesting to find out if it really does shoot a thousand FPS with alloy pellets, that means it would shoot harder with lead pellets. Hopefully it would be easier pumping and have a better trigger; otherwise, I don’t understand why they didn’ t just upgrade the 2100b?

  9. Hi B.B.,

    You haven’t said anything for awhile — how are your eyes doing? Close to normal?

    I wrote last week asking about “bucket list” air rifles to add to my collection. In the short time since I have fallen into two good deals. The first was a LGV Master Ultra in .22. That just arrived today, and I am anxious to try it out.

    The second came up over this past weekend. I was on a road trip, and stopped by a gun store / pawnshop, in rural Missouri. I have passed that place several times, but always had the family with me, no time to stop, etc. I stopped there Saturday and asked if they had any air rifles. The guy said, “Two. One junker and one high end one.”

    The “high end one” turned out to be a Beeman R1 in .22, with a UTG Bug Buster mounted on it. It looked to be in very good condition all over – 90% plus. I did not have any pellets with me, nor did they have any for me to test it, but he said he guaranteed it to work or he’d take it back. I’ll be that way again, so figured what the heck. That night I was able to test fire it in my basement range. I used JSB Exact 14.35gr., and it shoots great! I am wondering if something has been done to it. It is far easier to cock than I expected. I have a HW 90, and it is nowhere near as hard to cock as that. I would say it really is not much more difficult than my HW 50s. Is that unusual?

    When I look at the online Blue Book of Gun Values, the one I got has the exact same stock pictured by the R1 Combo listing. The stock has fore grip checkering as well as pistol grip. Under the “Beeman Model R1” designation it is stamped “Made in Germany – DE”. I know the DE is for Deutschland. I do not see any other address or markings showing year of production. How could I find out when this was made?

    Now I need a copy of this “Definitive Beeman R1” book I have read so much about! Wouldn’t know where I could find one, would you? Ha ha.


    Jim M.

    • Jim,

      My eye appear to have peaked at about 90 percent of where they were. I guess I will see things a bit odd for the rest of my life.

      Write to Weihrauch about the age of your R1. The serial number should tell them when it was made.


      • B.B.,

        I bet you’ll adapt sooner than you think. Our brain can do some great things when we have vision challenges.

        Ahh — thanks for the tip. I will get their address online.

        Be well.

      • B.B.,

        I feel for you, and my thoughts have been with you regarding that. Two years ago my mother went into “routine” surgery on one eye that had perfect vision, and she came out of the anesthesia completely blind for life in the eye because of a “freak complication” during the procedure.


  10. Hey guy’s,…. (since Ya’all are like family),….

    Posting early today,.. well, in the daytime any ways. Why? They laid off 95% of the company today. Maybe it will come back and maybe not,… we will see. (Spare the sympathy’s),… I will be ok and find something before long. Just a “heads up”, I will be joining the “day crowd” for a few. 😉

    That said,….. something really cool happened after. A really nice fellow worker (’bout 60) with a truck offered to bring my 3 pc. tool box home. He knew I was into airguns and he got to see what I had. What I did have was a 760,… and an 880 that I had bought for arrow testing. He is the one that I said awhile back that is taking care of his 3 grandkids, cause Mom and Dad have other “priorities”.

    At any rate, his Grandkids are the perfect age to learn airgunning and Grandpa is a long time shooter, on a tight budget. Long story short, I sent him home with a 760, 880, manuals, original boxes, a big tub of bb’s and pellets.

    That made his bad day a bit better, and made my not so great day,…. Great! 🙂 I had been waiting for them to find a new “home”. Funny how thing’s work out ain’t it?

    • Good man. Makes my day to hear this. It’s another example of how no matter what kind of scrape you’re in, someone has it worse. That is tough to raise grandkids to take up slack from their parents and lose your job in the bargain. But your gift is not to be underestimated. I can hardly count all the benefits of shooting in my life and I didn’t have the same kind of need that these kids do. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if in the grand scheme of things, this company counted so little that it was dissolved to make possible your generous act to your friend. As the Bible says, shake the dust from your feet and head elsewhere. But do keep in touch with the man and his grandkids. It would be interesting to hear how their story turns out.

      On another note, thanks for your info about the Marauder. I had always wondered what it was like to work a bolt on an airgun which doesn’t have the same mechanism as a firearm. Sounds like the Marauder performs well here as in every other category. This business of working an action from the shoulder has led in strange directions. I find that the only bolt action that I can work from the shoulder is the cock on close Lee-Enfield and my Savage 10FP. The Mauser and Mosin Nagant are too stiff and I have to drop then an inch or so to get the right leverage. I had thought that my Winchester 94 had too long and stiff of a lever throw to operate from the shoulder. But after a little experimentation last night, I could do it! Partly for that reason, I have set aside any immediate plans to get another lever action. That 94 is all I need.

      Now here is a puzzle for the technically minded. One of the disadvantages of the cock on close action is that it is supposed to be weaker than the cock on opening design. Something about the rear locking lugs for the cock on close design is supposed to be the reason. However, the Japanese Arisaka, which is one of the very few other designs that cocks on close, is supposed to be one of the strongest rifle designs of WWII along with the Garand. (This is especially surprising since I hear that the Arisaka is supposed to be the worst of everything for WWII rifles.) Anyway, how does it gain the great strength with the cock on close design?


      • Matt61,

        No “dust” collecting here,….. ok,…. maybe for a few! 😉 And yes, the Marauder is nice.

        Yea, it was cool. As a matter of fact,….. his one Grandson (just) called and personally thanked me. They are having a ball! The bb tub had like 1,000 in it. That ought to keep ’em busy for a few!


      • Matt61,

        On the Marauder, the bolt is as close to a firearm as you can get,.. I would guess. Pull the bolt back, the magazine advances,.. and when you push the bolt forward, the pellet is forced into the breech and you are ready to fire. I do come up off of sight a bit, but not by much. Real easy to blow through some lead in a big hurry. I usually have something I want to try,… some new experiment, etc.. So I take breaks and make notes and such. Plus, it needs a top off every 24 or so. As the pressure drops, past a point, so does the POI. I am playing with adjusting hold over as the POI drops. The PCP’s are fun and smooth, but it does take a bit of learning on how to work with them. 1-21 are pretty much dead on.

      • Matt61
        Just thought I would let you know this since we have talked about lasers in the past. I posted this over the week end blog. I think you will be surprised at how the laser stays lined up with the reticle at different distances. But it the laser dot will point on or above or below the target when hold over or hold under is needed. This is with my Talon SS.

        I wanted post this here so if people are reading the comments it will be here in one place. And I will repost a link that I posted above so it can be seen to show the difference.

        Here is the 30 and 50 yard video with the laser zeroed at 50 yards. The second spinner is 50 yards. The first is 30 yards. Pay attention to where the laser is on the target and reticle.

        Now here is a long distance shot with 3 mildot holdover on a corn stalk target. Now pay attention to the laser dot in relation to the reticle. The laser is still centered on the reticle. But look how high above the target the laser dot and reticle are at that longer distance. And the laser dot is still lined up with the reticle center.

        So the laser dot will change location in relation to the target as distance is increased. But the laser dot will stay pretty much aligned with the scope reticle center.

        So a laser will stay aligned to a scope reticle. The hold on a target is what changes. The last video with holdover at the longer distance shows the laser dot well above the target. When I look out in the field with my naked eye I seen the laser dot way above the actual corn stalk talk.

        • **** ATTENSION ****

          I just watched the video’s and noticed something that I’m not happy about.

          I see that YouTube is placing video’s under the ones I post. I don’t have any control over that. But the ones that showed up today could be considered inappropriate to some people.

          I guess I will stop posting video’s because I don’t care for what YouTube placed there. I even have the links set up as private. So the links can only be viewed when I provide a link.

          Im going to remove them from YouTube. So the links will not load here in a bit.


          • GF1,

            Your videos were fine,…. you can not help what a follow up video may be. Maybe there is a way that all of your videos can be linked together,…. a chain,… so to speak? Ask the youngin’s,…. if they do not know,.. I bet it will not take long for them to figure it out.

            • Chris USA
              I think I got it figured out. There was a couple filters and blocks that I turned on in my YouTube account settings.

              I’m going to go back and check the week end blog and the ones I just posted again. But I think they will be ok now.

              If not they will be gone.

          • Ok I went back to the weekend blog and checked. All seems ok now when I view them.

            But the filter and block might be on my end. Maybe anybody that views a YouTube video needs to set that up on their end also.

            I don’t know. But good now when I view. So I will leave alone unless I see something funny come up.

      • As long as the action has front lugs, either cock on opening or cock on close can be as strong. Some people find one of the two works better for them. The 1917 and Pattern 14 Enfields both are cock on close and they have very strong actions. These actions have been use for custom Magnum Rifles.

        As for the Japanese Arisaka, only the ones produced at the end of the war were not of the best quality. The story of “Junk” Japanese Rifles was due to some rifles built for training and drill that were not made to fire standard loads. When some tried to fire them with regular ammo………..Boom! But, there was nothing wrong with the issued service rifles.


    • Chris USA

      I too am having struggles at work. No sympathy needed. I am young and strong and will survive.

      With that said you really made my day better. I pray for you and your coworkers. I pray you find the ray of light in the shadows.

      I hope them youngens give them pumpers a workout!!! I pray that man builds strong memories of having fun with his family.

      Nuff of that mush! Good shooting with the grizzlies, anxious to see how GF1 does when his come. I wonder how much testing was done for the correct rate of twist? Does you mrod have a 1:16″ rate?

  11. Hey Chris,

    Man, glad to hear something positive came up to brighten that dark spot on your day. I bet he’s going to have some very happy grandchildren this afternoon!

    You know, tell us what you do. Never know when someone on here might see it and know someone who knows someone, who could help you find something.


    • Jim,

      Yea, it was cool to do a nice deed. Don’t get to that often. I will call him and in a day or two and see how things are going. He was really impressed with the Crosman and Daisy manuals when I pointed out all the shooting basic stuff that is the rear of them. He recognized it all right away and stated that it would be a good idea to have the kids “study up a bit” before shooting. 😉

      The 880 had one of those cheap scopes on it the was set at like 50 yards,…. fuzzy. Someone mentioned turning the front inner ring, out in this case, and low and behold,….. I had it picture perfect for 24′. Perfect for kids.

      As for profession, mechanic, with some QC tossed in. I have worked on diesel engines where you could walk in the crank case,… pistons like 2′ across. V-16 and under. For quite awhile it has been electrical switchgear the size of a house and breakers the size of a small or big size fridge. Built from the ground up.

      I will be doing ok for the moment and might even consider a change of venue,.. as getting older,…. all that hands on, back breaking work is,….. how shall I say this?,….. somewhat less appealing. 🙂


      • Chris USA
        That’s a bummer about your work. What exactly do you do? And was that the whole company they layed off or some of the workers?

        We just had a machine shop from Ohio buy our company a few months ago. Alot of talk has been going on at our shop. But they say that it’s a good thing that they bought our company. We’ll see how that goes.

        And I hope BB has some good news for you. But since you live in Ohio I bet you could get a job at Pyramyd AIR. I would recommend you for a job there that’s for sure. 🙂

        • GF1,

          See reply to Jim M. on what I do. Hope all works out for you. You have said that your company has gone through several transitions. P.A. is about 90 minutes, or so, from here. You never know. 95% on the layoff. We shall see. Not much details or answers were given.

          Hey, Punching Holes is waiting for you to give the Grizzly’s a go. (see related post)

          • Chris USA
            Just responded to PH that I’m going to get some Grizzlys on the next PA order.

            And ok read you reply to Jim about your job. Sounds like a train mechanic and switching gear thrown in. Never really asked specifically what you do but sounds like you worked with the railroad. My uncle that has been passed away for many years now worked for the railroad and his job sounds alot like what you do.

            And too bad you don’t live closer to PA. I bet they could fix you up with a cool job.

            • GF1,

              Close,… but so far away. Switchgear is what makes and breaks the electricity that you and I use every day. As for railroads, the electrical type, we have done lots of work on inter-rail systems within big cities. The big diesels, were for natural gas compression, or ships, or sewage treatment plants, or electrical distribution stations coupled to big generators. I was off on the piston size a bit,… I believe the pistons were around 30″ on the biggest. They only ran at 400-700 rpm. Cat walk to get to the head level. 10′ fly wheels, 20″ thick. I was a young pup then.

              I think you will do good with the Grizzly’s.

              • Chris USA
                Sounds like exciting work actually.

                And I hope the Grizzlys do good in my gun. Heck they are a buck or so cheaper for 300 of them compared to cost of 300 JSB 33.95’s.

                We’ll see.

  12. I talk to the Crosman rep today. The Legacy 1000 is just a Crosman 2100 that’s painted black. He said that he did agree with me that the Benjamin 392 / 397 needs an update but we need to keep talking 1377 /Discovery/ Marauder hybrid up before Crosman will do anything about it.

    • Brent,

      Sign me up Lol. I have already stated my opinion on the matter and am still interested.

      Crosman as a company I severely doubt will build a marauder pump design. The trigger is too good. The price will be too great. If they could get a trigger in there as good as the current crop of Co2 pistols, that could do the trick. The new maximus is 6lbs. Good enough but only because it shares a stable with the mrod. People know they can upgrade to a fantastic rifle and use some of the starter equipment they bought for the maxi.

      We already have terrible Crosman triggers. We DONT need more. The design of the 397/2 doesn’t really need to be changed a lot internally. 750fps with lead pellets and a decent trigger fills that niche perfectly IMO. the disco and maximus are shooting around 800-850fps? Maybe into 900s?Crosman isn’t going to make a Springer that will compete with their Co2 rifles and pumpers.(velocity wise, they have the raven only as far as I know) So why would they make a serious gun that hangs with the fastest Co2 and could be easily outgunned by their springers and pcps? Thats how they look at it. America is obsessed with power, hunting and “sniper” range long range targeting. It seems to be the ultimate marketing challenge to change the consumers mind for them.

      If you could get 750fps with 10pumps with say 7.9grain crosmans. If you could get a decent trigger under 4lbs. If you could get a decent combed stock and standard rails for a scope. (Weaver/pictanny or quality dovetails.) What would you have???? A reason to buy domestic for starters. Crosman won’t have my business on anything over $100 as of right now. The only exceptions would be from the pcp line.

      The Benjamin 39x is good but needs help. The drilled taps for the peep is a start. But they stop before you can get anywhere with it.

      I would love to see a mrod pumper but facts are crosman won’t/can’t do it. The best we can hope from them is an updated stock for the 39x and I’m sure theyll skip the trigger.

      To me Crosman is happy with entry level equipment. Thats fine. They wanna slug it out with gamo on magnum springers for a low end price and product, and that’s fine. Crosman would be taking a huge risk building something better. They have already set the bar very low for themselves and their consumers know it. Most consumers look for quality imports to satisfy their needs. Thats why we import them right?

      Crosmans saving grace was they were smart enough to jump into pcps and build two tiers of quality, high and entry. They lack in the big bore but the .25 mrod is really picking up the slack, or so I hear. 😉

      Make a Pumper. Two stock options. Use a trigger you have. It would be nice if somehow you could put a “decent” unit in that could be replaced with a more elite unit as a drop in. That is wishful. Useable velocity with 1-2 pumps and max 750fps with lead. A solid way to mount optics. Crosman barrels are accurate, give us the rest of the equation.

      But hey this is all my opinion. I could be way off base. What do I know? I am after all looking to detune an R9 to 9-10 ftlbs. 🙂

      • P.H.,

        Wow, your comment blew me away on so many levels. The foremost being that you are really getting to know your air guns to make such statements. Good job and keep it up.

        By the way, the Marauder trigger maxes at under 3#. I found out. Sill playing with that, but factory setting appears to be my preference. Around 2.3# without checking my notes. I had it around 1.5#, but lighter is not always better.

        • ChrisUSA

          I agree with you on trigger weight. I had my hatsan adjusted very light and found I was always trying to Yank through both stages or guessing on what the second stage needs. My hw is perfect. At first I wanted a few ounces less but now I have become very comfortable with it.

          Thank you for the kind words. I am just speaking my mind. Air gunning is the complete hobby for me. I used to really read and read about firearms but couldn’t make time to shoot them more than once every couple months. And the expense! Now I can shoot a couple times a week which only puts gas on my fire! I love to read and research and I am physically skilled enough that my research yields results. I’ll never be an elite shooter but I can be adequate for what I want.

          I have found an hw98 on sale for just a Tad more than my hw30s. I would really like to have a “tame middle brother” for my hw30s. I would have to find a detune kit to make it the way I want. I like the hw50 but feel like I need to detune a model to get what I’m looking for. Plus the cocking linkage comes with challenges. I am also looking at a hw 35 but that costs a lot more. the Diana 430 mag is about perfect but I don’t trust it.

          I’m kinda put off on pcps for now. I want one and the simple choice is a maxi. I don’t wanna take time to refill. I get in a good rhythm breaking barrels.

          How long does a fill take in minutes from your last shot to your next shot after a fill? Just roughly. I understand you need to go slow and I also understand the way your resevoir can get hot by going too fast. Just curious

          • P.H.,

            🙂 Ahhhh,…. is the “dark side” whispering in your ear? 😉 If,…. I had the tank next to the bench, less than a minute. I keep the tank in the house, so it takes a bit more. Plus, it gives me a break from concentration and refreshes me a bit. I have yet to see the hose ever get even slightly warm.

            • Chris USA

              Maybe… springers have stolen my heart, but I have never shot a pcp.

              Power is something that doesn’t really interest me. I have two uses for it. Target shooting at moderate distances to keep up with PBs, and stretching out for maximum range to push the limit.
              I can push the limit of my ability with any gun though.

  13. BB and Chris
    A little while ago I wrote about a B3-1 I had recently purchased. I said that I had given it my special lube tune and burr removal which got the cocking effort down to something that was usable, about 28 pounds if I remember correctly. At that point I said I would need to put at least 500 breakin shots through the gun to get it shooting somewhat smooth and accurate and expected to get that done within a week. Not so as the tunnel carpal syndrome I have in both wrists began acting up so badly that it became nearly impossible for me to cock the gun. I have since seen doctors and surgeons and arrangements are made for the release surgery in October (right hand) and March (left hand). By next summer I hope all will be back to normal.
    In the meantime I’m shooting co2 and multipump guns which don’t seem to bother my wrists too much, although blowback co2 pistols tend to leave my hand a little numb after a full shot count. Most notably is a KP-06 which I have set up in a Race Gun configuration with speed holster. It’s a large frame .45 cal. blowback gun with a huge slide and a lot of recoil for a co2 pistol. I used to shoot 4 mags with an accurate shot count of 32 per mag with no problems but now I can only handle 4 mags of 8 shots each before my wrist numbs up and needs about 45 minutes to recover.
    Right now I’m cleaning out my junk airgun parts closet and scratching my head about what to do with all the old bits and pieces, some going as far back as the 60’s. I can’t throw any of this stuff out as some of it could never be replaced!!
    Just looking at all these bits and pieces I can see a project in there somewhere.
    I’ll let you know later.

    • Redrafter,

      They have come a long way with carpel tunnel surgery. I have not had any, yet, but I know people that have and they are back up and doing everything in close to week. Much different from 10-15 years ago. Hope all goes well!

      • Man!

        We’re all breakin’ down in one place or another! The hobby definitely needs some new young blood. I have developed GERD so bad I can’t eat later than three hours before bedtime! As Bette Davis once said, “Gettin’ old ain’t for no sissies.” But then again there is a great line from Citizen Kane when Bernstein says, “Old age. It’s the only disease you don’t look forward to being cured of.”

        I’ll finish with, “Could be worse . . . . It could be raining.” (Marty Feldman in Young Frankenstein)


        • Michael
          It seems like many of the traditional hobbies have older participants: shooting, hunting, ham radio, model airplanes, stamp collecting, woodworking, reading(!) and so on. kids are just not being introduced to them by
          their parents, who weren’t in them either. They’re all off chasing imaginary things on their phones!
          This is especially serious for ones that are heavily regulated like shooting and ham radio that need the support of a knowledgable public.
          I guess all we can do is get kids a BB gun ( like Chris) that they can shoot without someone taking them to a range. I hope Daisy continues the 499 and its support for youth shooting.


    At this moment there is a well known airgun retailer located in the SW USA that is having a screaming deal on the Hatsan built Webley Tomahawk. You can pick one up for $99.95 and for an additional $35 you can add a 2-7X32 Hawke scope with mounts.

    How do I know? I just bought one today! At that price I just picked up an air rifle and scope for the cost of the scope! My wife wasn’t even too mad!

      • GF1,

        You betcha. One of the first things I will likely do is replace the trigger screws. I have been wanting a break barrel in this power range for some time now. I was going to get either an HW95 or a Walther Terrus, but when this deal popped up…

        • Rr
          Good for you. I’m interested in how it turns out.

          And I hope you got the Hawke scope. That should be a great little scope for the gun. I want to know if it’s sharp and bright when you look through it.

          • GF1,

            Yes, I got the scope. The way I look at it is I bought the scope and they threw in the rifle. The scope is a discontinued model, but is a real good one. I think the Tomahawk is discontinued also.

            BB had warned me that the original Webley Tomahawk had a pin for the barrel pivot and they would not shoot worth doodley. I made sure and asked and the guy I was talking with went out and checked and confirmed that these have a screw instead of a pin.

            I think this sproinger has some promise. With a trigger mod and a little tuning this just might be a real keeper. I know that walnut stock sure looks nice.

  15. Matt61– In the late 1940,s or early 1950,s the American Rifleman magazine had an interesting story re a Jap Arasaka. Some one sent the NRA a model 38 Arasaka with the complaint that it ” kicked too hard”. It was a 6.5 mm rifle that had been “rechambered ” to 30-06! The owner explained that he had to grind down the pilot of the reamer to enable him to rechamber the rifle. It was swaging .308 diameter bullets to .260@ diameter every time it was fired! The NRA test fired it several times. The headspace did not increase. The NRA comment was that they could not devise a better torture test for any rifle. That plus the P. Ackley destruction tests has established the Arasaka action as the strongest millitary bolt action of the ww2 period. Ed

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