Walther Parrus with wood stock: Part 1

by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier

Walther Parrus with wood stock
Walther Parrus with wood stock.

This report covers:

  • What’s new?
  • Why .22?
  • The rifle
  • Ambidextrous
  • Open sights
  • Scope rail
  • Adjustable trigger
  • One last feature
  • What is this?

Well, well. What do we have here? A breakbarrel spring-piston air rifle in .22 caliber that is supposed to send alloy pellets out the spout at 1,000 f.p.s. Does that mean that it could possibly shoot a normal lead pellet at 750-800 f.p.s.? If so, this is a breakbarrel air rifle with the power of the venerated Beeman R1 at half the cost.

What’s new?

I have been wanting to test the new Walther Parrus since seeing it at the 2016 SHOT Show. It is a more powerful version of the Terrus that I liked enough to buy, But is it different enough from the Terrus to call it a new airgun?

Why .22?

I tested the Walther Terrus in .22 and liked it so much I bought it. I have been wanting to tear into it and tune it for you, but other things got in the way. It’s still on the back burner though.

The Parrus is much more powerful (supposedly 22 foot pounds, compared to 14 foot-pounds), which is why I wanted to test it. In fact the power is so high that .177 seemed like the wrong caliber. They advertise .177 alloy pellets going out at 1300 f.p.s., which is way faster than I want to shoot. Twenty-two seemed ideal for this one.

The rifle

The Parrus I am testing (serial number PG002158) comes with a blonde beechwood stock that has a schnabel at the end of the forearm. The stock is thicker through the forearm than I prefer, making the rifle feel large and bulky. The stock is checkered on the pistol grip and forearm, but the diamonds are shallow and slick. They do nothing to improve the grip.

The half-inch thick butt pad is black and solid. The rubber is soft and grippy, so the rifle won’t slip on your shoulder or when you stand it in the corner.

Ambidextrous

The stock is 100 percent ambidextrous. The safety is located at the top of the pistol grip and comes on automatically when the rifle is cocked. It can be released and the rifle can then be uncocked manually by squeezing the trigger and holding the barrel as you close it slowly. That’s a feature not found on many spring rifles these days.

Walther Parrus safety
The safety is ambidextrous.

All metal parts are finished satin black. Most of the action is metal except for the trigger, triggerguard and the enlarged muzzle brake that the front sight sits on.

The weight is listed as 8.8 lbs. and my test rifle weighs 8 lbs. 13 oz, which is spot on. Overall length of the rifle is 47-3/4-inches, and 19-1/2 inches of that is the barrel. The pull is 14-3/8-inches, so the Parrus is a large air rifle.

Open sights

The Parrus has open sights that are fully adjustable in both directions. The rear sight adjusts with crisp click detents, though I must observe that the horizontal adjustment knob is too small for easy use.

Walther Parrus rear sight
Rear sight adjusts in both directions.

The rear sight has no fiberoptics, but the front sight has a red dot. An open hood protects the plastic fiberoptic tube. Sight replacement will not be an easy task, but both sights on the rifle look very useable.

Walther Parrus front sight
Front sight is fiberoptic and covered by an open globe.

Scope rail

The Parrus also comes with an 11mm dovetail cut direectly into the top of the spring tube. A hole at the rear of the dovetail provides a place to anchor the rear scope mount. While five years ago this type of scope base was normal, I am seeing so many Weaver/Picatinny bases on spring guns these days that I’m expecting it. This is an area Walther needs to look at in the future.

Adjustable trigger

The trigger adjusts for the length of first stage pull. The adjustment is a screw located behind the trigger blade, and that one screw is all there is when the rifle is in the stock. I have tried adjusting it already and it works.

Walther Parrus trigger adjustment screw
One screw adjusts first stage travel.

The trigger release is light. I feel some creep, but the rifle is brand new. Let’s wait until we get some shots on it before we criticize.

One last feature

The muzzle has a knurled cap that comes off to reveal 1/2-inch UNF threads for a silencer. Now, silencing the muzzle report of a spring rifle is like putting a quieter clock inside a hot rod. That’s not where most of the sound the comes from. Any silencer you buy that fits those threads will have to be registered with the BATF&E, through a process that takes upwards of a year the first time you do it. No doubt this feature is for European buyers who don’t face the same regulations we do.

Walther Parrus muzzle
The muzzle is threaded for a silencer.

What is this?

The Parrus is a Walther breakbarrel with power. We have already looked at a Terrus, which I liked enough to buy. We also looked at an LGV Challenger I also liked enough to buy, but which Umarex gave to me before I could. And we looked at an Walther LGV Master Ultra.

What is common to those three Walthers? They are all extremely accurate. Now we have a powerful Walther breakbarrel that is also low cost. If it’s accurate and has nice handling characteristics as well, we may just have a world-beater on our hands!

104 thoughts on “Walther Parrus with wood stock: Part 1


  1. You know what I hate. And I emphasize the word hate.

    In Illinois a air gun that shoots over 700 fps and is larger than .18 caliber has to be purchased through a FFL dealership. It’s not considered a firearm anymore since the last law change happened. So that changes some things legally I suppose if you was to go to court about a quote “air gun” situation.

    So any velocity air gun can be bought in .177 caliber basically without all the red tape stuff. So here’s what I hate. All these manufacturers that are listing high velocity alloy numbers nocks alot of guns out of the ball game that can be purchased form Pyramyd Air.

    Here’s one that I got in the past that is actually listed in a lead pellet velocity. The Walther LGU under lever springer in .22 caliber. It was 685 fps when I bought it some time back. No problem it was under the 700 fps mark. Order it through PA with no FFL involved.

    Here’s a link of the gun now. Check out the velocity. Now I (can’t) buy another one in .22 caliber without going through a FFL dealer.
    https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Walther_LGU_Air_Rifle/3548/7759

    So I wish the gun manufacturers would list true velocity readings with lead pellets. Maybe people would be buying more guns if they did.

    And another reason why the light weight alloy velocities are a bunch of bull. Sorry but just saying it as it is. Who decides the velocity a air gun makes and what kind of pellet they use to rate them anyway? Yep they need to wake up again. Them darn marketing people anyway.



      • RR
        I should of included the law makers to in my gripe. They are part of the problem. But watch out it could start happening that way anywhere this day and age.

        And I asked you how your new springer did yesterday and no response. You know the one you Didi the lube tune in. I asked how the shot cycle was and what lube you used. Again well?


        • GF1,

          I did respond. It must have been lost in the EtherWorld.

          It seems to have smoothed it out a little. I will have to spend more time with it when the heat and humidity is bearable to really know for sure. It still has a hard firing cycle as it is a ‘magnum’ comparable to the Beeman R1.

          I used ‘TUNE IN A TUBE’ on it. It is a red grease that comes in a plastic syringe that allows you to lubricate the spring through the cocking lever slot without totally disassembling the air rifle.

          After I have had a chance to run a few hundred pellets through it I will likely tear it down and check seals and possibly play around with different springs to see how it does. It really is a nice looking air rifle and if it can be tuned to perform well it will most definitely be a keeper. I have been looking for a decent break barrel sproinger to add to my ‘collection’ for some time now.


          • RR
            Maybe I missed it. Anyway can that lube still be bought now days and how much do you get and how much does it cost? I would like to get some just to have around and try next time I get in a springer.

            And I guess I should search it if PA don’t carry it incase it’s competition to them.



    • GF1,

      You bring up a very good point. Thankfully in Ohio, we do not have to worry about such laws. But yea, who does decide? What dictates what (weight) pellet must be used to rate fps? Can people in the U.K. use different pellets to “skirt” the 12 fpe rule? And you are right about looking at it from the marketing angle too.

      By the way, if you go back and look, P.A. tested the LGU with 11.9 grain (lead) RWS pellets and got 750 fps. So it is just not the “lead free” factor. A quick check of the catalog showed the lightest lead free pellet in .22 coming in at 9.00 grain, with the heaviest coming in at 18.00 grain, with the average on lead frees coming in around 11-13 grains.

      On today’s featured rifle,…. I like it. Ambi, nice adjustable rear sights, on top safety, longer length of pull, good power,.. and the Schnabel,.. of course. 🙂 I am a big fan of that style feature.


      • Chris USA
        Yes I know I saw the weights of the pellets used.

        So that brings this question. Did Pyramyd Air relabel the LGU in. 22 caliber as 750 fps now? Or is it now a stronger gun? Or did the manufacturer relabel the velocity? I myself like the tune it had on it for the 685 fps it made. Well you know. You have that gun now.

        If Pyramyd Air can make the choice of velocity it can label a gun at I hope they rethink their strategy of the horsepower sales gimmick. There are alot of the bigger caliber big bore pcp guns that make like 710 fps. Well can’t get that one without going through all the red tape because of 10 fps. Come on really. There goes another air gun sale that won’t happen because of the idea of filling out the paperwork.

        So if companies like Pyramyd Air can test and label gun velocities by different pellet weights then start using some heavy pellets so I can buy a few more guns from you ok.


      • Chris,

        Illinois state legislature members (House and Senate) introduce bills and approve them by vote, and then the governor signs them into law (or they fail to become law by not being approved in this manner). That is how laws are amended as well. IL residents who disagree can protest, lobby their representatives, and exercise their vote for candidates to attempt to influence the laws of the state.

        In the United States and its individual states, legislatures, typically state legislatures, decide, with a signature by the executive branch, typically governors, on a bill to make it law. Individual cities have the right to pass laws that are more restrictive, just as states have the right to pass more restrictive laws than exist at the federal level. Of course, any law that violates the supreme law of the land, the Constitution, can be made void by a court ruling. For example, that is why there is no law in the U.S. that prohibits Buddhism. That would be a clear-cut violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

        Michael



          • GF,

            Agreed.

            In any representative state it is the obligation of the government to inform the media, especially if the media requests information. And this is key — it is the obligation of the voter to closely follow the news, incuding local news, to be an informed citizen. That last part is key to the just ruling of a representative government and is why we have a) public legislative sessions, b) a free press, and c) public education.

            I knew about the dropping of the 700 fps. reg. because I read the newspaper.

            I seriously suggest you meet with your state house member, your state senator, and a governor’s staffer at their offices and express your desire to raise the caliber limit for air guns to, say, .25. Then send them follow-up letters and also send a letter to Gov. Rauner. I’ll bet they have no idea the prohibition even exists. And you should dio it before Rauner, who would surely be sympathetic to your stance, is replaced by Lisa Madigan, who might not be so (although she might surprise you on that one).

            Michael


            • Michael
              Well there I go. Another job for me to do. Babysit my congress man. After all I do pay his wages don’t I. I guess all of us across the United States should really take on that task for all the laws they are about to pass.

              And I did bring this up. But now I’m all depressed and don’t want to think about it anymore right now. Darn anyway. I just wanted to buy a air gun you know.


              • GF,

                I hear you. What’s the saying? “Freedom is not free.” The good news is that at the state legislative level, if a voter cares enough to make an appt., the pol. usually takes notice. See how much attention you’d get from Kirk or Durbin! Hah!

                Michael


                • Michael
                  Ain’t that the truth.

                  I hope voters this year take note as to who they want to see as president when they vote.

                  But that’s opening a whole nother can of worms if we get into the president discussion.

                  I just hope the right person gets elected. Definitely praying about that.


        • Michael,

          Unfortunately, the Supreme Court does not have to hear a case that challenges the validity of a law. That is why there are so many laws restricting firearms. The Second Amendment is not concerned with protecting our rights to punch holes in paper. It is to allow the citizenry the ability to prevent the government from taking away our rights.

          I just hope I live to a ripe old age and do not witness what I know is coming.


        • The laws can be changed, last year, Michigan changed the law and now all airguns are no longer considered firearms as most were in the past. I was surprised but it passed and was signed into law. That said, most of the USA firearms laws that affect people with clean records violate the Second Amendment but that is unlikely to change anytime soon.

          Mike


        • That used to be the case but as Democrats take over legislatures and courts , the Constitution becomes void . They must have overlooked air guns in NY , but that will pop up in the future. We have the SAFE Act that clearly violates the state and Federal Constititions but the courts let it stand . It will only get worse


      • Chris USA
        Just remembered yesterday when you gave a update about your new tune on your .25 Mrod. I mentioned retrying all the .25 caliber pellets you have along with the single shot tray since it is a new tune on the gun. And dedicating a full day of shooting with each pellet with some breaks inbetween.

        You never responded. Did you try any testing with the new tune like I mentioned? You said you only tested the 25 grain JSB’s when you gave the update yesterday.

        Sooo did ya test anymore?


        • GF1,

          No I have not. You may have seen that mess tracking North from the Gulf. That was (right) over top of us for 4 days,… and still is,…. but it is pushing off to the East very slowly. My 2 days I did play and it was not good. Getting all set up and then have it cut loose and then 15 minutes later, sunshine and then repeat. I will (never) do that again. That is no way to do serious testing. Tomorrow is off due to Mom and Dad help,… and maybe Friday. We will see. Since it rained 1/2+ the day today, I got the shopping out of the way today. We will have to wait and see what the weekend brings.

          But you are right,…. I am,… “chomping at the bit”. 😉



            • TT,

              I was so mad and aggravated that I could have spit nails. That ain’t no way to be shooting fer sure. The radar is looking pretty good but the humidity is way up with all the rain and the temp. is up too. That will bring pop up’s. Another day off ain’t going to kill me. Plus, up in our neck of the woods, Winter will be here before we know it. So we are used to having to wait for a spell.



    • Gunfun1,

      I have no clue about FFL rules for IL, but your info regarding ownership and purchases seems slightly out-of-date. The following does not take into consideration the specific statutes of municipalities (Chicago, Cicero, etc.), but I am confident of my understanding of the laws for the state.

      Illinois loosened its law regarding airguns and F.O.I.D. requirements a few years ago that eliminated velocities from the restrictions. For a long time a BB and / or pellet gun (airsoft is exempt from restrictions) had to shoot ammo under .180 and at velocities under 700 fps. Now the restriction is ammo size only, still a .180 maximum, unless the shooter has a F.O.I.D., the one requirement to possess firearms in Illinois. (IL has other requirements for legal concealed carry and does not have, to my knowledge, legal open carry.)

      Michael


      • Michael
        I bet if I call Pyramyd Air right now they won’t sell me the .22 caliber LGU with out having it shipped to a FFL dealer.

        And I do live south of Chicago in the Midwest closer to St.Louis. And read my response I just made to Chris USA about how velocity is determined in a air gun.


        • GF,

          Without a FOID, IL prohibits possessing a .22, so Pyramyd Air cannot send you a .22 without an FFL intermediary. The 700 fps. prohibition is long gone, however.

          Back when IL did regulate airguns over 700 fps., the state used the manufacturer’s velocity claim as its guide.

          As long as you are not in East St. Louis, you should be fine with any .177 air rifle in central and southern IL.

          Michael


          • Michael
            I’m South East of East St Louis about 20 miles or so.

            And ok that’s cool about the .177 caliber air gun of any velocity. But I want a .22 or . 25 or even a .35 caliber or 9 mm air gun. And as you say all that is needed is a foid card which I have for many, many years now. Matter of fact can’t remember when I got my first foid card.

            Well that’s nice. But I still got to go through the red tape to have it shipped. So guess what I still got to go to my buddies firearm shop and get the FFL number for Pyramyd Air to ship it to him.

            Would just be nicer to have to not go through the red tape. And it makes me laugh and surprised actually that they for some reason think that a .177 caliber is a magic caliber that won’t do nothing when you shoot it. Let’s just let them do their little law making. As you can see they do show plane as day what they know.


            • GF,

              Yeah, I admit I missed the FFL part of your problem. The IL state law does not differentiate between a .20 caliber Beeman springer pistol that produces 5-6 foot pounds and an AK-47, Barrett .50 rifle, or semi-auto 12 gauge. Your FOID allows you to legally buy and own any of those, but because the law considers all four to be “firearms,” even the .20 airgun must be purchased, if by mail/online, through an FFL.

              Well, even a Daisy Red Ryder can “shoot yer eye out, kid!” ;^)

              Michael


              • Michael
                Check this out.
                “Non-Powder Guns in Illinois
                Last updated September 17, 2015.
                Illinois treats certain non-powder guns as firearms, defining high-power and/or large caliber non-powder guns as firearms and thus making all purchase, possession and transfer requirements under state law applicable to these guns. Illinois excludes from the definition of firearms any pneumatic gun, spring gun, paint ball gun, or B-B gun which expels a single globular projectile not exceeding .18 inch in diameter or which has a maximum muzzle velocity of less than 700 feet per second or which expels breakable paint balls containing washable marking colors.1

                Illinois law defines “air rifle” to mean an air gun, air pistol, spring gun, spring pistol, BB gun, paint ball gun, pellet gun, or any implement that is not a firearm which impels a breakable paint ball containing washable marking colors or, a pellet constructed of hard plastic, steel, lead, or other hard materials with force that reasonably is expected to cause bodily harm.”

                Tell me what you make of it.


                • Gunfun1,

                  That is news to me! The 700 fps part was dropped from the IL statutes’ definition perhaps four years ago, no question.

                  I have a handful of explanations for the quotation you have provided. First, it might be incorrect. It took local stores a good six months before they got word definitively. Where did you get that? Was it an official State of IL document on an official State of IL webpage? Even if it is from an official source, it still might be incorrect. The IL State Legal Code (every state law there is) is often out-of-date and even if updated often has changes that have not been caught during the process. The Code is a binder that is about six inches thick, after all.

                  Another possibility is that the law changed back, but that I consider to be the least likely scenario. Illinois regs regarding anything 2nd Amendment have loosened, not tightened, over the past five or so years. For example, IL finally legalized concealed carry, the last state to do so, a few years ago.

                  I will try to check into this with my local state legislators. They will not know offhand, but they can have a staffer check and double check.

                  Michael


                  • Michael
                    Know about the concealed carry.

                    And got it from a Illinois code page.

                    As usual no telling what it is right now to this minute. If you find a legal page copy and paste it. Definitely would be interested in what you find. As usual mixed results as to what the law truly could be. Looks like they succeeded again.





        • GF1,

          That (IS) the plan. Like Michael said, you have to do your homework. That could be a full time job all in of itself. I am not one to talk, but Mike did seem to have some good suggestions. Since you do the second shift, maybe a day trip would work? At least a letter or e-mail. That way you can get a letter 2 months later that says that “your matter will be brought to the attention of concerned parties and will be taken under full consideration for merit”.

          Ok,… I am going to stop now. 🙁


    • GF1

      Ill second that! It is obnoxious to have to pay extra for an airgun due to ffl fees. I wouldn’t mind flashing my foid card in the box store, if they had something I wanted…

      O well… my $25 slavia 618 made it the other day… haven’t had much opportunity to shoot. 2 shots both felt pretty good indoors. Such a sweetheart!


      • PH
        With you there. It is basically just a inconvenience with the FFL and foid cards. And you know what’s crazy I can go right over to Missouri and by a firearm rifle and walk out of the store with it and ammo to. No foid card involed. Just show drivers license for the firearm rifle. And don’t have to show anything for the ammo. You know where I buy most of my ammo. It’s not on record like it is in Illinois.

        You should of seen all the people turn around and walk away from the counter at wally world when a guy was buying a firearm rifle. I bet it took them a half hour to fill out the paperwork. Wally world lost some money that day is all I can say.

        I stayed because they had a brick of the CCI 40 grain 710 fps long rifle rounds I like to shoot in my Savage bolt action. But I was pack’n the floor wait’n that’s for sure.

        And good deal on your 618. I remember you say’n you got it. Glad your happy it. 🙂


    • Is that a relatively new law, Gungun1? I don’t remember that from when I used to live in IL but that was 15+ years ago and I only had a couple of .177cal air guns back then so I might not have noticed.


  2. BB,

    OK! I have been wondering when you would get your hands on the Terrus’ big brother. I do hope that Walther did more than just make the compression tube a little bigger and put in a more powerful spring.

    Are there any uber magnum sproingers that are truly accurate? By that I mean are they easily capable of producing 1/2″ groups at 25 yards? I know all the tuning and rebuilding and puttzing around with your R1 had you finally accepting that it was not going to shoot as you had hoped.

    Do we finally have a break barrel sproinger that will deliver spot on precision with force or did Walther just get caught up in the velocity race?




  3. This message was sent directly to me. I don’t answer those.

    Post them here.

    Hi Tom!

    I’ve been reading many of your articles on the PyramydAir website and have been considering a QB78 or QB79 as a low cost, high quality, entry level rifle with good accuracy.

    Originally, I was just thinking of 20-25 yards as my maximum distance, but this last weekend, I was approached by our small bore silhouette match director asking if I would be interested in shooting NRA air rifle silhouette matches.

    Would the QB78 or QB79 be a good rifle to get into these air rifle matches with? I was thinking I’d get an adjustable rear aperture sight. Or would I perhaps need a scope?

    Also, do you know if you can recharge the QB78/QB79 CO2 tanks with a CO2 tank from a beer fridge? I have two of these 5 lb CO2 tanks (850 PSI when full). I’d prefer to refill/recharge the CO2 tanks for the air rifle from these instead of buying new CO2 powerlets or taking the refillable ones to a place that refills paintball canisters.

    Thanks!

    -Rich Alloway


    • Rich,

      The QB78 in target form will work — but just barely. The sporting rifle are completely wrong. You need the precision sights to shoot 10 meter target. Scopes are not allowed in matches.

      CO2 is CO2. As long as the adaptors fit, you can recharge the gun from a tanker truck.

      Hope that helps,

      B.B.


  4. B.B.,

    I am not in the market for an airgun such as this one, but man, I like its profile! Long and lean. Most springer magnums have huge ugly forearms, but this is not at all like that. The Parrus is one sleek, elegant looking machine.

    Michael


  5. According to the worldnewsdailyreport.com, a 79 year old grand mother saved 2 LA cops involved in a fire fight with a gang in the Watts area. She used her AK47 and wounded 2 thugs. I am going to print this story and use it in discussions with anti-gun people. Ed



  6. I have just seen a report that a 79 year old grandmother saved 2 LA cops, involved in a fire fight with a gang in Watts. She used her AK47 and wounded 2 thugs . Ed



  7. B.B., I’ve been looking forward to this one, as I liked the way the Terrus tested out for you. That said, I have to wonder if “more power” (as Tim the Tool Man Taylor would say) will increase the hold sensitive. If I remember right the Terrus you tested wasn’t hold sensitive. I hope that good trait doesn’t get lost in the higher fps #’s.
    Also, on PA’s site, it says Vibration Reduction under the gun when all the Walther spring gun are listed. But once I click n the Parrus, I see nothing about it. Does this gun have some sort of vibration reduction? If so I would assume that would help with the sensitive hold. Looking for to the rest of the review! Thank You
    Doc


  8. B.B.

    I just saw the PA ad with the new Diana Mauser 98 air rifle. I NEED one of those in .22! Under lever with a full stock. I haven’t wanted an air rifle this bad since at least a month ago. Put that on your list to test also please. 🙂

    Jim.


  9. Big day for fun springers between this one and the Diana 240 classic I see in today’s PA mailer! Both ends of the spectrum power wise… 240 or 270 with TOx trigger should be about as good as it gets for backyard ranges.

    I like the walthers ambidextrous safety as a feature, especially since the safety is automatic. If it gets a real 800 or so with actual .22 lead pellets, it could be extremely interesting at longer ranges. I shoot the .177 34p at 50 yard bull’s-eyes, but wind has to be reasonable. I wonder if a faster 22 would make a noticeable difference in drift, or would the larger side exposure negate the weight and velocity benefits?




      • GF and Matt61
        What is it about the hw30 that makes you dismiss the Parrus without a second glance?

        I ask as I am looking for my second air rifle after having been suckered into purchasing a magnum, gas spring, warp drive, laser tuned, ultra silenced thing a year ago.
        I’ve put in my time and countless rounds and have learned about everything I think I can from that rifle.

        I want refined, sophisticated, and consistent now.
        However, I am looking for something to hunt squirrels and feral soda cans in the orchard. Don’t need a 10M competition model … $300ish is my current shopping range.


        • Bg04
          I guess what I can say is I had too many different types of springers and nitro piston gas ram guns. Well and pcp’s and multi-pump and co2 guns.

          Im not found of Magnum springers. Every one I had I tuned down to reduce shot cycle. I don’t like a harsh shooting air gun of any kind. I have a AirArms Tx 200 that I tuned that is so smooth you would swear you was shooting a pcp gun if you had your eyes closed.

          And this is me again. I like a fixed barrel under lever cocking spring gun or fixed barrel side cocking spring gun. Not crazy about break barrels. If you buy a higher quality German break barrel your probably ok. But some of the lower quality break barrels just don’t lock up tight when you close the barrel.

          Plus the higher dollar German air guns or the England made Tx 200 will tend to have better triggers that you can tell the difference in a heart beat if you shot a cheaper quality springer verses the higher quality trigger. It definitely makes for a better shooting exsperiance.

          Oh and I hate working to shoot. Usually Magnum springers are ridiculous to cock. I’m a bit on the bigger side and work out and do a lot of physical work at the machine shop I work at. A magnum springer will wear your arm out after a days shooting. Plus slap your cheek and rattle your teeth. Just not fun to me. Plus the tamer guns like the Tx or the 50 or 30 are more forgiving when you shoot. The hold I’m talking about. So if it’s less sensitive to hold and shoots smooth you will probably have a more accurate gun.

          I’m not putting Perrus down. It’s just not got the characteristics that I like in a air gun and not to say it is a magnum gun. Shoot you a FWB 300s or a Diana 54 Air King that uses a slide recoil system and you will see why I like fixed barrel springers with the slide system. But not all side levers have that slide system. But you will know it when you shoot one that does.

          Went down that road of trying a bunch of different air guns and pellets and to say the least. I don’t want to go there again. I know what I like now is the best I can say. Hope that answered your question. 🙂


        • BG04

          Hopefully U don’t mind me abbreviating you.

          I too went that route for my first Springer. Almost killed my interest completely. I then bought a Diana 36 and the old style 45. These were a vast improvement. Quality was way better. My groups shrank, but still wasn’t good enough. I could shoot them well off the bench but it was hard to shoot them in different positions because they were so shot sensitive. The triggers were good but didn’t really help one way or the other. It was just one more thing to keep worrying/thinking about instead of dead focused on the sights.

          When you pick up an HW30s all that goes away. You can almost relax. Something I can’t fully do when shooting a Springer.

          That said springers are still my favorite. This rifle is big and heavy. That can’t hurt it’s chances. Im hoping for a smooth shooter, a real gentle giant.


    • Amen! The HW30S is somewhat unheralded by those who comment here. I can’t think of any springer that can match it at 10 meters. I don’t know of anything under $500 that can beat it.

      Decksniper


      • Decksniper
        I have not owned a hw30. But I have owned it’s bigger brother the hw50s. The 50 shot great. It makes more power than the 30. I would bet the 30 is a joy to shoot with the lower velocity it makes. And the ease of cocking and so on.

        Maybe one day when I get this co2 rapid fire gun stuff out of my system I’ll get me another springer. The hw30. 🙂


        • Gunfun1

          Cocking effort is not an issue. Noise to neighbors may be. I am so impressed by the Weihrauch. How would you describe the decibel level heard at 50 meters for the HW50?

          Thanks for replying,
          Decksniper


          • Decksniper
            I can kind of answer that question.

            At my old house it was just starting to get country. Had one dead end road to the left of me that had a few houses. Then I had a neighbor to the left and right of me around 75 yards away and they both shot guns. Had a hill to the right of me the woods about 50 yards in front of me then an open field to the left.

            I use to stand out in the yard about 35 or so yards out from where I shot from and to the left of my targets also about 35 yards away. I would have my daughter shoot the different guns at the target so I could see how loud the gun was from out in the yard.

            I will say this about 2 different guns. The hw50s in .177 caliber and a 54 Air King in .177 caliber. The hw50s sounded quiet when I shot the gun. And out in the yard at the distance I mentioned I could just verily hear it. Now here’s the one that was interesting. The 54 Air King. It sounded loud when I shot it. But standing out in the yard like I mentioned it was quiet. Not as quiet as the hw50s but quiet.

            I don’t have any fancy sound measuring equipment. But what I did by testing multiple gun like I mentioned I was able to get a idea if I was bothering anybody when I shot.

            I don’t worry about that now where I’m at out in the country at my new house we moved in last year. We can shoot firearms with no problem. I had actually forgot about doing that. And I will say that out here where I’m at now if I stand outside and shoot my air guns they are very quiet. It’s all open for about a 175 yards to the first tree line so I hardly hear any noise from the air guns. But if I go back in the breezeway and shoot out the window to targets outside the air guns sound loud.

            Hope that answered your question. 🙂


            • Gunfun1

              Very informative comment about standing safely to one side 35 yards away and noise desernment. Neighborhood noise can be a concern for me and many others. BB has written I think that mechanical noise can be loud nearby but less so at distance. I wish air rifle ads included noise specs. I suggest there is a significant market out there for folks that wonder if they will get people bent out of shape shooting next door.

              Decksniper
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              • Decksniper
                With you on listing noise specs.

                That’s the thing if your not a air gunner already how do you know what a 1300 fps shooting alloy is really all about. And they sure dont mention that the gun will crack like a .22 long rifle rimfire round when you shoot it.

                The neighbors next to me shot his Gamo whamo break barrel with some of those alloy light weight pellet sample that came with the gun. Talk about seeing a person flinch when he shot. And his wife about jumped out of her shoes. I actually jumped a little when he shot. I didn’t know he was using those pellets.

                So there’s alot that goes along with the guns noise. Just like velocity. How can they say what a gun makes velocity wise when there are so many different weight pellets that will change the fps rating.

                Alot of misconception is what’s happening.


  10. BB—I would like to use my set of utg qd scope mounts (with the dovetail to picatinny rail adaptors). I noticed that the stop pin is thinner than the pins on my other airgun scope mounts. I want to use these qd mounts on my new Diana 98K ( when it arrives). Will the smaller stop pin cause a problem? Ed


    • Ed,

      I have the UTG drooper mounts on the TX and LGU. They are 11mm. to Weaver. The drooper mounts have a stop pin. As long as the smaller stop pin is set to (rear) of the larger receiver hole,…. you should be fine. That has been my experience on 2 springers. Other opinions may vary. Mounts, rings, adapters are going to want to move back. On springers anyways.



  11. Chris– Thank you. My problem is that I want to be able to remove the scope and use the iron sights, without having to carry tools with me. I do not like see through mounts. I have them on my Norinco trainers. I have to use them to get the scope high enough to clear the bolt handle. I want to try qd mounts to see if they will work for me. If they dont, I will resort to see through mounts. Ed


    • Ed
      You mentioned you ordered the 98 the other day. My comment was something like I love that gun. Got to get one.

      And the price is not bad at all. I like it. Alot. A whole lot. 🙂


  12. BB
    Man am I glad you got your hands on this rifle.
    My fingers have been hovering over the buy button for the Terrus ever since you comitted to buying it.
    Only thing stopping me has been the Parrus hovering there for only a few bucks more.

    A friend and I are even making the 4 hour drive up for the Texas Airgun show on the 27th in the hopes of putting my hands on some rifles in the hopes that it will make the decision easier.


  13. Can’t wait for more test data on the .22 Parrus….just got one in .177 and .22. Both have the UTG 10x fixed power scopes
    . The .177 is shooting CPL’s @ 1072 which equals 20.2 FP, the .22 Is shooting crossman 14.3’s at …..get this 850 fps….that faster than my R1 and my AirKing
    The Parrus is a little less refined trigger wise than the R1 and AirKing, But it ain’t bad


  14. Hi B.B.,

    May I please ask why you state “…1/2-inch UNF threads for a silencer…. Any silencer you buy that fits those threads will have to be registered with the BATF&E, through a process that takes upwards of a year the first time you do it.”?

    Is there something particular about 1/2″ UNF threads that make them special? I know major retail outlet lawyers advise their customers to not sell silencers, but aren’t they just being cautious? Didn’t UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. MICHAEL CROOKER (reference http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-1st-circuit/1527670.html) settle this issue 6 years ago? What am I missing? References would be fantastic.

    Thanks!

    Sean.


    • Sean,

      Sean,

      Welcome to the4 blog.

      Yes, that is the thread size for American-made silencers. Thiose that are licensed as firearms.

      I was contacted in the case you cite and am aware of more details than are in the brief. As stated, the plaintiff was a convicted felon, so things went harder for him

      Cautious? No, I don;t think so. It may sound over-cautios to the other guy, but never to the person in the back of the police sedan.

      What details arte you missing? What is it that you want to know, beyond somebody went to jail?

      B.B.


      • Thanks for the reply B.B. I agree the defendant in the case was an unsavory character. That aside, my question is in regards to the fact the court ruled that a device made “for” silencing an airgun is different from a device made “for” silencing a firearm, and is therefore not covered by § 921(a)(3)(C), (24).

        Is that not what the court ruled?

        Sean


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