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Competition Walther LP2 target pistol: Part 2

Walther LP2 target pistol: Part 2

by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier

Walther LP2 left
Walther LP2 single stroke pneumatic target pistol.

Part 1

History of airguns

This report covers:

  • LP2 valve weak?
  • Differences between the LP2 and LP3
  • Velocity
  • RWS Hobby
  • Gamo Match
  • H&N Finale Match Light
  • Trigger
  • Pumping effort
  • LP3 velocity
  • Accuracy
  • Summary

As you learned in Part 1, my new/old Walther LP2 target pistol did not work when I got it. So I sent it to Scott Pilkington for repairs. Scott had to disassemble it first to see what it needed and then order the parts. I received the pistol back this Wednesday and it is now working fine — thanks, Scott!

LP2 valve weak?

I have always heard that the LP2 has a weak valve that’s subject to failure. It was apparently corrected when the LP3 came out. Whether that is true or not I can’t say, because this is the first working LP2 I have seen and handled. I have owned two LP3s in the past. The first was the model that had the full target grips and the second one had the sporter grips that look like the grips on this LP2. I have seen several LP2s at airgun shows but they were always non-functional.

Differences between the LP2 and LP3

I mentioned in Part One that the LP3 replaced the LP2. John McCaslin loaned me his LP3 for comparison. Now let’s look at some of the differences.

LP2 and 3
LP2 above and LP3 below. The 3 has the optional target grips.

valve access
Not only was the valve changed in the LP3, the method of access was, too. LP2 above and 3 below.

barrel profile
The barrel profile changed, as well. LP2 on the left. The LP3 round barrel is less expensive to profile.


This is velocity day, so let’s get started. I know the LP2 powerplant is weak, so I will shoot lighter pellets and also no lead-free pellets, as they can stick in the bore of a weaker airgun.

RWS Hobby

The first pellet I tried was the 7-grain RWS Hobby wadcutter. Four of the first 5 shots were in the 330 f.p.s. range, with one going out at 290. That was on the low side of what I expected. But the Hobby pellet has a large skirt and I wondered whether that was slowing the pellet. So the next 10 shots were all seated deep with a ballpoint pen.

Hobby deep
A ballpoint pen seated each Hobby pellet about a quarter-inch into the breech.

When I did that the velocity increased by over 20 f.p.s. The average of 10 deep-seated Hobbys was 354 f.p.s. The low was 342 and the high was 364 f.,p.s. That’s a spread of 22 f.p.s. I know it’s not very fast, but it’s about what I expected from this pistol. It’s in the Daisy 777 range and perfectly acceptable.

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Gamo Match

Gamo Match wadcutters weigh 7.56 grains. Ten of them were seated deep and averaged 336 f.p.s. with a low of 325 and a high of 350 The spread was 25 f.p.s. 

Sometimes Gamo Match pellets are surprisingly accurate and I hope this is one of the times. I did note while deep-seating them that that their skirts are smaller and they fit in the breech easier than the Hobbys.

H&N Finale Match Light

The last pellet I tested was the 7.87-grain H&N Finale Match Light wadcutter. They fit the breech about the same as the Gamo Match and I deep-seated them with a ballpoint pen as well. 

Ten pellets averaged 339 f.p.s. with a spread from 318 to 350 f.p.s. — a difference of 32 f.p.s. Eliminate that one slow pellet and the other 9 stayed in 11 f.p.s. (339-350 f.p.s.).


The LP2 trigger is adjustable for letoff weight (the point at which the pistol fires), length of first stage, weight of first stage and overtravel. In all it’s a dandy trigger that was probably world-class in its day.

On the pistol I’m testing I lightened the trigger pull until stage two broke at exactly 1 pound.  It’s as crisp as a glass rod breaking, so even though it’s too light for competition, I’m leaving it where it is.

Pumping effort

The Walther LP-series pistols have always pumped hard — or at least that’s what I always thought. But when I measured the pumping effort for this one on my bathroom scale I was shocked. This one takes just 15 lbs. of effort to pump. I would have thought it was over 30 pounds. I guess the difficulty is because of the short pump lever.

LP3 velocity

Just for fun I also shot 10 RWS Hobby pellets with the LP3. I will show you the whole string because of what happened.

6………….394 — WHAT?

I guess the piston seal needed to warm up. Or something. This is the hottest LP3 I have even seen.


No, this is not accuracy day. But there is something to see.

The pistol I bought came in the original serial-numbered box with two original owner’s manuals — one in English and the other in German. The one in German has a test target that shows what to expect and it’s serial-numbered to the gun, as well. I measure that group at 0.145-inches between centers.

test group
The test group that came with my LP2 measures 0.145-inches between centers.


Of course we still have to test this pistol for accuracy, so it remains to be seen what old BB can do with it. 

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Tom Gaylord (B.B. Pelletier)
Tom Gaylord, also known as B.B. Pelletier, provides expert insights to airgunners all over the world on behalf of Pyramyd AIR. He has earned the title The Godfather of Airguns™ for his contributions to the industry, spending many years with AirForce Airguns and starting magazines dedicated to the sport such as Airgun Illustrated.

141 thoughts on “Walther LP2 target pistol: Part 2”

  1. BB,

    Interesting. I was surprised at the power,… but then what do I know? There can not be much of a power plant given the size. Like weaker springer rifles,… we know that they can have their benefits.

    Looking forwards to more reports.


    • Chris,

      These appear to be much smaller than my Izzy. At least not as massive. These look as though they would sit in the hand nicely, sort of like a firearm pistol. My Izzy sits like a long barreled revolver.

      • RR,

        They do look like they would be very comfortable to handle. Note the rear of LP3 and how it is cut out much higher for the web of the hand.

        I’m not much of a pistol shooter,… but some of those big air hand guns are just plain ridiculous in size. At that point, you might as well go rifle or carbine.


        • Chris,

          I think the idea was to make the 10 meter air pistols barrel-heavy to stabilize them in use. But these air pistols lack the muzzle flip of firearms, so I wonder if that would have made a difference. Nowadays, 10 meter pistols tend to be lighter overall, and they sometimes have significantly less barrel weight, perhaps the best example being the Air Arms Alfa-Proj.


          • Michael,

            The muzzle heaviness makes it easier to hold on target. The newer ones are shorter and lighter. They also have air strippers and muzzle flip compensators. If you look at the picture of the Alfa Proj you can see them. Despite what many think, these match air pistols and air rifles do have recoil and do have muzzle flip. Not much, but it is there. Enough to make the difference between a winner and a loser.

                • Gunfun1,

                  Tightening or loosening my grip doesn’t help. I’ve had shaky hands my whole life, even when I was a kid. It prevents me from shooting not just air pistols well. It also prevents me from shooting air rifles well offhand. Rested, I’m O.K., but otherwise, forget it.


                    • RR
                      I mostly shoot spinners and such when I’m bench resting. Like mini sniping in a sense. I shoot at target paper just to make sure the guns are zeroed.

                      And usually all my standing shooting I do is with open sights or dot sights. And with scopes too.

                      And yep a cool one included for me too.

                      There was nowhere to reply below on your comment so I replied here.

                  • Michael
                    Off hand pistol or rifle is harder to shoot than bench resting.

                    I’ll have to say that now days 75% of my shooting is bench resting.

                    It was probably the other way around when I was a kid. Probably 75% of my shooting was unsupported and 25% was resting the gun.

                    I like both ways of shooting but bench resting is definitely easier. To me anyway.

                    • GF1,

                      I am the opposite. Unless I am zeroing a scope or shooting long range, I am most often shooting open sights either standing or sitting.

                      I really enjoy taking one of the old gals out on the back porch and sitting on the stairs, leaning back against the rail post and plinking away while sipping on a cool one.

        • Chris,

          Those massive air pistols are our fault. We want an air pistol powerful enough to hunt with. It is possible to build an air pistol of this size and have the power to kill a squirrel at 50 yards, but you would get only one shot. Then you would have to refill the air reservoir to a pretty high pressure and I am quite certain it would have a substantial bark to it.

          The airgun industry is trying though. Look at the Ataman AP16. Now if someone was to make something similar at an affordable price, it would sell like hotcakes. It would have to be built by Wang Po Industries though.

  2. BB,

    I prefer the looks of the LP2 over the LP3, but I am certain the LP3 fits the hand better, even if it had the sporter grips. I especially like the barrel profile of the LP2 in the looks department, but the recessed crown of the LP3 is awesome.

    I do have a question concerning the barrels. On the LP2 it looks as if the barrel is actually an insert. Is this so? Quite ingenious actually. You are less likely to lose an expensive barrel through a slight machining mishap. My 1906 BSA has the barrel and receiver block machined from one piece of steel. A slight mishap toward the end of machining and a big chunk of steel and a lot of man hours becomes scrap.

    Does the LP3 barrel appear to be an insert also?

  3. BB,

    Nice too see these older pistols live on ! Good to see them side to side . Like any product they learn from the mishaps and improve them . I have always thought that the LP3 Walther or the IZH46M Baikal would be great guns to reproduce and use stainless steel or Black Nitride on Carbon steel parts . This way they would hold up and not succumb to corrosion. Probably the carbon steel route then Nitriding would win out on cost and longevity of tooling . Maybe You can convince Air Force to make a nice SSP pistol . A guy can dream .

    Gene Salvino

    • Gene,

      As I am sure you are aware, the Izzy is built like a tank. Mine lives in a nice case and after every shooting session, it gets a little Balistol and a good wipe down.

      These things rarely succumb to corrosion. They are usually handled with TLC by the original owners. What typically happens is a small internal part breaks, rendering it inoperable and the owner does not bother to have it fixed. They just get rid of it and move on. This is very likely how BB ended up with this LP2.

  4. Daisy Buck 105b Troubles:

    I’ve met a NEW challenge on these LOW-end Buck airguns, maintaining them for the local Boy Scout Council. A few guns are HARD to get BBs to “chamber”, and one, now REFUSES to settle a BB into firing position. I’ve gutted & cleaned this gun twice now, and see NO problems in the barrel assembly or anywhere. The gun DOES cock fine, fires “air” fine, and I can see BBs in the slot, but no BBs are shot. I CAN cock the gun, feed a BB into the muzzle, hear it click onto the holding magnet, THEN shoot it, but obviously cannot allow Cub Scouts to handle a gun this way. ANY ideas? I’m considering grinding a bit off the plunger tube, to see if MAYBE it has somehow shifted and is blocking the BB feed, but then, wouldn’t it also impede the BB feed from the muzzle, as I tested???

  5. As I understand it, the LP3 doesn’t have the rear of the receiver cut away to allow the gun to sit lower, that is an improvement on the dedicated LP3 Match variant, together with the wooden palm rest grips. The parts diagram shows two different receivers, numbers 38 (basic variant) and 90 (LP3 Match).

    The cross-section seems to show the gun is basically solid in that area (I imagine the rearsight elevation screw comes down into it a little) so presumably this is the evolution of a design that started out duplicating the feel of the Olympia .22 pistols as closely as possible, into something that was a dedicated target pistol in its own right.



  6. RidgeRunner ,

    Actually they fail from lack of lube . This causes corrosion in the valve body . Yes if they are maintained and oiled after shooting they will last a lifetime. It would be nice if the receiver body was made from billet and not a casting , but then the gun is 1970s technology and Soviet , so efficiency was not a concern . They had to work with what they had .

    Gene Salvino

    • Gene,

      I guess it is difficult for me to fathom someone not caring for any of these. If anything, I am guilty of too much lubrication. Not just my Izzy, all of the old gals that live here at RRHFWA.

      One of these ladies will be 115 this Spring. With BB’s encouragement I rescued her and restored her to life. She had suffered badly from lack of lubrication, from disintegrated leather seal to galling, but with a little effort and a lot of TLC I brought her back to shooting trim. Now she is the Queen of my collection and is shot regularly.

  7. Got that Buck 105b FIXED! Cobalt 317 suggested that I replace the cocking lever. I thought he was crazy, but it worked! Turns out the in-service lever TIP was wearing down, and did not cock the plunger tube QUITE far enough to allow a BB to settle into position… I again worship the ground he walks on! 🙂

  8. An afternoon’s tinkering in the garage a couple of year’s ago birthed this entry for the airgun build challenge. I humbly present to you the “Bombero”, or shoulder-mounted-precharged-extinguisher-blow-pipe. It was assembled from a small fire extinguisher tank (800psi rated), 1/4 inch air tool quick couplers, 1/2 inch hdpe water pipe, and aluminum tubing for barrels. If I am remembering correctly, nothing was purchased for the build- all parts and pieces were scavenged from coffee cans in the garage. It is charged from an air compressor and gets a few shots at diminishing velocities depending on the starting pressure. I have made heavy 3/32 dia x 4″ steel darts that will go clean through 1/2″ plywood at 10-15 yards from 150psi fill pressure (max pressure from my small finish nailer compressor).

      • I will certainly admit I had my goggles on for the 1st shot. But hdpe water pipe is pressure rated to 200psi, the tank is rated to 800psi, and the fittings are all rated as well. I charge it from a standard compressor with a max psi of 150lbs. I would imagine the pressures inside the air tube of a Red Rider are close to that. How many pumps on a Crosman 760 would give you 150psi? 2-3?

      • Ade
        Don’t be scared. Your not pulling the firing pin. 😉

        No Fear !!!

        So here how about this. Reality.

        What do think is wrong that is scarry? Not what I think or anybody else but you.

        Oh and I use to machine the aluminum valve on top of the fire extinguisher bottles. We tested them for flow and seat sealing pressure then they went on to another part of the building for pressure testing. I’m not sure what that pressure was but I’m thinking around 900 psi which is what Co2 runs at.

        So what do you say. What are you scared of?

        • Hey, I’m from the UK where we’re not encouraged to play with things that go bang! I’m only just starting to get my head around the whole PCP thing. Plumbing and airguns is still an odd mix for me

            • Gunfun

              I’d say it’s about 70/30 in favour of the pppffft guns (PCP’s). Most people just seem content with resting on a bench and bragging about putting pellets through the same hole. Doesn’t seem like challenging shooting to me.

              • Ade
                The trick is to find a gun and right pellet that can do that on a bench say out at 50 yards.

                Then the next part of it is to find a target that is challenging for you like say a bottle cap on the ground at 50 yards from a bench.

                Then if that’s no challenge then try standing shooting free hand with no rest at the bottle cap at 50 yards.

                See for me. I look for boring accurate guns. If you count your fingers on your hand. I have about 2 handful of fingers of boring accurate guns.

                If you run across any more I would be glad to take them off your hands. 🙂

                  • Ade
                    I actually just responded to RidgeRunner above about this.

                    I bench rest mostly at spinners out at farther distances and different distances. I use paper targets and bench resting to make sure my guns are still zeroed.

                    My brother is a pistol shooter. I like rifles but I do shoot pistols also.

                    And I don’t only bench rest. I like fast action shooting at multiple targets with my semi auto type rifles. And that’s always standing unsupported for me.

                    So yep I know what you mean.

  9. I have both a long and short barrel with male quick connect couplers attached so I can swap at will, though the short barrel is for fun and not accuracy. There are 2 female quick couplers in this setup so that I can install a barrel and then fill with it attached. I didn’t want to risk filling the tank and then installing the barrel. The long barrel has Benjamin 392/7 scope mounts with rear open sights from a qb rifle that I align with the tip of the barrel to sight.

  10. One of the things I love about this goofy little setup is pulling the pin from the extinguisher trigger (taking safety off) before firing. The steel balls are slingshot ammo and are not as accurate as the darts but do leave a mean dent in a piece of plywood or paint can.

      • I had some thoughts on that but haven’t tested anything. One of the major drawbacks of the manual “squeeze valve” in an extinguisher is a slow and pretty uncontrolled opening of the valve followed by a slow closing of the valve. So, low pressure at low flow in an unmetered dump of air- and I suspect a loose load of shot would just dribble out the barrel from this setup. But what about a load of shot in, say, a paper wrapped cylinder? It would be a solid projectile until it exited the barrel and could/might/should take better advantage of the low pressure and flow rate?

        • Pro steel
          Right I remember someone doing this some years back.

          You need a fast dump valve of some type. All the air has to exhaust as fast as possible with the low 150 psi with that big diameter barrel your using.

          And right a wadding of some sort would be needed. I Have done bird shot in .177 air guns it works.

          But the trick is to get the valve to dump as much air as fast as possible. That’s when you make power.

          Most regular pcp guns that shoot the small bore calibers use around a 100 or so psi per shot and up on pressure but with a smaller diameter less volume barrel.

          The thing is the valve doesn’t need to fill the bigger volume barrel like your using on your air gun.

          If you reduce your barrel diameter you might get some interesting results.

          • Pro Steel
            Yep that too. Alot of variables as usual.

            But the thing is it’s a cool idea.

            I love messing with the potatoe guns.

            Me and my brother made different length and diameter screw on barrels for our potatoe guns. A 1 and a 1/2 inch diameter by 20 inch long barrel made the most power with our combustion chambers we had on our guns. They would dent a old galivinized steel trash can at 50 yards real good.

            What we should of tried and never did was reduce the barrel diameter and try some sort of load like our steel bb’s for our bb guns we talk about here on the blog.

            I bet it would of been effective at 25 or so yards. Ethier way a fun project.

  11. If you look at the photos you will see there is a ball valve (the red handle) between the tank and the barrel. This was my attempt to regulate shot volume-

    1. Ball valve is closed
    2. Squeeze trigger on tank valve which will fill a short length of tube with pressurized air. (Is this a power plenum?)
    3.Open ball valve to fire.

    As a proof of concept it worked, but there is no fast way to open a 1/4 turn manual valve.

    • PST,

      With that set up,.. a good tight fitting wad in front of the shot would allow maximum pressure to build (before) things start to move. Some playing around would be required to determine correct “tight”.

      As for the valve,…. spring load the handle and use a pull pin to fire. Not the best, but would be quicker than a human,… most likely.

      As for plenum, the more the better from what I have been able to gather. Not so much pressure,.. but rather volume. Again,… from what I have gathered.


      • GF1,

        Why? The plenum contains a fixed charge, that when fired,.. won’t dump the entire main tank. I say increase the plenum volume and do a good tight wad in front of the shot.


        • Chris
          If the plenum was as big as the fire extinguisher bottle than it would be worth while to have.

          That whole extinguisher bottle needs to dump to fill that barrel he’s using.

          Using the small plenum I’m surprised its getting the projectile out of the barrel with any force.

          Without going back didn’t he say 15 yards. That’s not very far.

          That vacuum gun you posted the link to is probably making more power than his gun. And remember how violent the vacuum gun releaed. It also had speed of air movement along with volume. That’s what needs to happen. That’s why our air gun valves and barrels work.

          What his gun needs is a valve that flows like if someone took a hammer and knocked the aluminum valve on the bottle off abruptly. A big opening that releases the whole bottle of air to the barrel.

          • I think the volume of the plenum pipe would be enough to fire the darts at reasonable velocities 10-15 yards- deep into plywood, not through- but the hitch is the manual ball valve. Too slow with that small volume of air. The pipe plemum is 1/2 x 6″, roughly 19ccs of air. But it is slow to open, slow to flow.

    • PST,

      We were talking “burst disk” at one time. Think,… aluminum foil (layers) that would “burst” at X pressure. You could open the valve as slow as you want,.. but the strength of the foil (and the pressure behind it) would determine the (immediate) firing.

      Just an idea,……..


      • Chris
        If you wanted to make vacuum like that link you listed about the vacuum gun you would need to feed the gun air from the opposite end if you was going to use a valve to make vaccum. You would need to port it different too.

  12. I was wondering if anyone else had seen the “PSA” posted in one of the air rifle forums about the Texan big bore rifle. Seems someone was shooting one until it dumped its air. Apparently the slug that was in it was stuck in the barrel at some mid point after the air was dumped, and when the rifle was being refilled, it pressurized the bore and shot out the slug, penetrating a picture, drywall and lodged in a 2×4 stud. Something to think about there.

    • Just read it. From what I saw, the gun blew up and there was some very serious facial injury to the shooter,… (like in the hospital and surgery serious). Will be following.

      Edit: GTA,….. by the way.

        • MM,

          This seems to be the latest:

          No Texan valve from us or Jeremy at AAO has BLOWN UP ! The person Picked up a bottle that was supposed to be full of helium from his local welding shop and they mistakenly gave him a bottle of oxygen instead. Some people need to wait to hear the facts before they start blaming products or people in the industry for what has happened


            • GF1,

              Yea,… was the guy given the oxygen tank and did not notice (or) was the tank filled with the wrong gas? Either way,… a good reminder to respect what we are dealing with. Of course,.. the average air gunner is not going to be seeking out Helium either. I will stick with plain ol’ air.


              • Chris
                I’m surprissed it hasn’t happened sooner.

                To me the gas company is in big trouble right now.

                And shows you that we really need to know how to identify what we use.

                But even so. If it was filled wrong by the gas company. How would you know.

                We get all different kind of glasses at work. If one was filled wrong we would have a bomb waiting to go off it was introduced into a certain machine.

          • Chris U,

            Usually oxygen bottles are green and helium are orange. I seem to remember seeing helium in a green bottle though. I just don’t remember.

            Definately something to keep in mind.

              • Gunfun1,

                You take a big inhale…if you sound like Donald Duck you had a shot of a light gas-probably Helium. If you take a deep inhale of 100% Oxygen everything that you look at will suddenly seem brighter.

                FOLKS I am JOKING about this method…do not try this at home!

                Actually a glowing wood splint would be a far safer test. Helium will put it out and Oxygen will make it burst into flame.

                If your Gas Supplier makes that kind of mistake they should be sued out of business!


            • Don,

              I do not know. I am no expert, but I think that there is some (thread) specifics to different gases to prevent such things from happening. Again,.. I do not not know other than from limited life experiences.


          • Chris,
            The jury is still out on this “accident”. As far as I have heard, there is no proof that this actually happened. Mixing up tanks at a welding supplier is virtually impossible! The tank threads are different for different types of gases. Don’t spread rumors. Wait for a real. proven report is out.

  13. The greatest thing about this build was the simplicity. I wasn’t reinventing the wheel by any means, but mostly was just curious. My son had wondered, “Hey dad, do you think we could shoot blowgun darts out of my paintball gun?” And I thought to myself, that sounds like a pretty stupid idea. But wait… hmmm, I wonder. And thus the tinkering began.

    I lucked into having everything on hand. But once I got started I knew it would work. Built and tested in a day. That never happens. And everything that went into the idea was based on info I have gotten here, from BB and all of you forum regulars. I know how Co2 and PCPs work from this blog. I knew I could mount sights on the barrel using Benjamin 392/7 mounts from this blog, and that a fin-stabilized projectile should be accurate, and that a slower but heavier dart would carry more momentum and thus more FPE than a lighter dart at low pressures, etc.

    This blog has played an incredible trick on me by making me think I’m learning about airguns and pellets while teaching me engineering and physics, manufacturing, even marketing theory.

    • ProfSteelToe,

      I like it, I have thought about adding a spring to open the ball valves on my spud guns. Close the valve against the spring and hold closed with a latch. Pop the latch to fire. That would work with a plenum or complete air dump. It may not open faster but should give more consistent velocities and maybe easier to hold on target. No safety on the trigger so keeping it pointed in a safe direction is critical. My philosophy is to keep all guns pointed in a safe direction, even if unloaded.

      I have also used gas plug valves as they can be adjusted for the required torque to open and close. They can be drilled with a hole at 90 degrees the plug opening and and in the body at 90 degrees to open so when the valve is off the barrel is open to the atmosphere and can be loaded from the muzzle. I used one plug valve for both the intake and exhaust valve in a steam engine.

      On one of my spud guns the tank is the plenum. With the air compressor refills are not an issue.

      A cheap laser sight would work also.

      Good stuff,

  14. I will have to check that out.

    So, as an addendum, here are some of the great lessons I get from tinkering around on projects like this.
    1. I get to flush out some of the notions that I think I understand until I really DO understand them.
    2. I develop real and sincere appreciation, however briefly, for the fact that there is almost always an existing product- like for example the Umarex Air Javelin for a mere $170- that yesterday I thought I might spend a minute buiding from scratch, smart guy that I am, and today I can’t believe this complicated piece of technology could be had for a few measly dollars.

    I tinker and modify because I’m curious and I can’t help it. But it is helpful to be reminded that I am an idiot, and that the world is full of experts who do this for a living. At the end of my “Journey of Discovery” I can be proud of myself for building a thing that shoots darts across my garage, learning a great deal about air projectile power plants and ballistics, etc., and then go buy an Air Force Texan and feel even smarter for skipping all that work and expense and swearing.

    • Pro Steel
      Call it what you will. A blessing or a curse.

      There are others on the blog that are modders too.

      Welcome to the club.

      Really we ain’t bad people just because we take apart brand new gun when we get it to make it better.

      Right? 🙂

      • It makes me appreciate things that just work the way you want them to. I have a 2260 co2 pellet rifle that I bought new 5-6 years ago that just makes one hole with any pellet you shove in it. Put ’em in backwards. I accidentally loaded 2 once and it still gave me 1/4″ spread at 10yds. Simple, always on, just shoots. And after hours and hours of work trying to modify an airgun to get a little more power, or a little quieter shot, or a little smoother trigger, I look at a gun like that and think, “How in world can somebody design and build something as perfect as that for $80? All those moving parts. All that design and machine work and assembly, shipped on a boat thousands of miles and then trucked to a store. It is a marvel, really. I’ve spent $80 at the drive-through.

  15. B.B.,

    It came to me much too late, but I just figured out what I want in an air rifle: a pump-assist Sheridan Blue Streak in .22. If the pump-assist mechanism could hold up to the MAC1 steroid treatment, then that, too. :^)


    • Shootski,

      Toss in some graham crackers, chocolate and a heating element and you would have a rapid fire S’more delivery device. Yum-yum! 😉

      Not really. Never been a fan of them,….. Chris

    • Shootski,

      Just watched it. Not bad. A bit above my pay grade without ever having any geometry or physics formal education. Though I can and have used many shop tools, I do not have any at home,.. other than the usual plethora of hand power tools.

      I never did get a reply from BB, but how does one come up with something original that has not been done already,.. or some version there of? On line videos are endless.

      Me? I would do a giant sling shot. 2 farm T post, well anchored with multiple tie lines to brace, or solid braces. Cut a new inner tube into one long 2″ wide band, cut in half, install ammo pocket. Draw might be as far as 100 plus feet. That should launch a orange a couple of hundred yards very easily. A loop on the back of the pocket to be used with a good grip draw handle/pole,… with a quick release might be real nice too.

      Elevation/trajectory could be controlled by a marked stake at the draw to line (hold lower to gain more distance, for example). It would be a fun big family event for someone that had the space and cheap to make. It would be the main event at a big biker party and could get “real interesting” as the day/night wore on.


  16. Chris USA,

    Okay Chris so you don’t think much of supersonic marshmallows! How about prewetted Tee Shirts?

    Just for the added Mass mind you!

    The valve system has some possibilities for airguns with some modifications. The high flow and impulse rise could be a real game changer with some regulation and using this valve concept inside the Plenum instead of the one shot dump tank.



  17. Gunfun1,

    I had just finished a 5 hour 43km paddle when I answered Chris. I enter a plea of impaired judgement.

    We didn’t have S’mores but a very fine sipping Bourbon around a carefully tended small campfire on the beach.

    I just did another 37km paddle this morning.

    That’s my story and I’m sticking with it.


    • Shootski,

      43 km eh? What is a km,…. like 3 feet? 43×3=129 feet,…. 5 hours?,… yea,… I can see that. You are pretty old,.. after all,…………………… 😉

      TRUE inspiration,.. as always!,….. 🙂


      • Chris USA,

        The really coolest part of the paddling was that it was in support of USMS, USAT and USA swimming! The swimmers ages 8 to 78 swam distances of 1.2 miles, 2.4 miles, 500m, 1,500m, 2500m, 5K and 10K swims. Got to watch some potential 202X Olympic Qualifiers. The youngsters were the most fun they had a ball! Many on their first swims in natural water.


        • Chris USA,

          It helps to have a really FAST boat like the EPIC 18X Sport Expedition model (43 pounds and 18′ waterline length) really is a joy to paddle in almost any conditions.


        • Shootski,

          Like I said, a true inspiration to us otherwise,.. couch potatoes. 🙂

          On the metric system,… a rather prefer it in many cases. More of a chef than a baker,.. but for baking,.. weighing the ingredients is recognized as being the best, by far.


      • Chris USA,

        I think you are joining about the actual distance but 26½ miles in 5 hours is no joke for a 70 year old neither is 20 miles. As 54 year old relative couch potato that is ouch!


      • Chris,
        It helps to remember that one kilometer is equal to about 5/8 of a mile, think of .6 miles rounded.
        In Windows 10 there is a neat little calculator that has several conversion options. You can locate it by clicking the little flag at the lower left corner. There should be a tile with an icon of a calculator. When you open the calculator, at the top left there are three horizontal lines. Click on those lines and a list of optional conversions will appear. If you scroll down, one of them will be “length”. Then you will see two item that if you click the little “V” will give you several options. For example, choose “kilometers” for the top one and “miles” for the bottom one. Then just type in any number and it will be converted. I use this little calculator often to convert things. It’s a pretty neat little app that most people don’t even know exists. Okay, end of computer lesson for today. 😉 Try it out though, I think you will like it.

  18. This is totally off-topic, but for our hobby we need the best eyes we can have; believe B.B. is color blind and other blog readers may be also. Reading an article today in a NC magazine, learned there are glasses that correct color blindness, though these may not work for everyone. Apparently they’ve been in production at least 10 years. The brand is EnChroma – go to enchroma.com . Hope this might help someone.

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