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Black Bunker BM8 survival air rifle: Part Four

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Black Bunker BM8 survival air rifle.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3

This report covers:

  • The test
  • First shot
  • Shoot from 12 feet
  • Adjust sights
  • WHAAAAT?
  • Trigger
  • Status
  • Summary

Today we start looking at the accuracy of the Black Bunker BM8 survival air rifle. I don’t care what they call it in the European Union or the UK. In the USA it’s called the Black Bunker BM8 survival air rifle and that’s what I’m testing.

The test

I figured I would shoot a number of 5-shot groups from 10 meters using the open sights that come on the rifle. I wanted to give you something to talk about over the weekend and I figured this report would do it. Well it will do it alright — just perhaps not in the way the makers of the BM8 rifle imagined.

Today BB invents a new word. You guys glommed onto the word “rememberer” when I used it awhile back. Today’s new word is based on the word serendipity. Serendipity has been defined as the occurrence and development of events by chance in a happy or beneficial way. What if things went the other way? What if things turn out so bad that there was no way to benefit from them? What if things go sideways instead of straight ahead as anticipated/expected/hoped for? That is what happened today. And the new word that describes it is serenpoopity.

I’m still talking about the test I tried to do today and what actually happened. You have read in this blog were I have said many times — if the rifle has open sights, use them first because open sights will always be pretty close to on target when they come to you. Well — not no more! The BM8 open sights on the test rifle are not only NOT on target from the factory — they cannot be adjusted to GET on target — no matter what I did!

First shot

I fired the first shot and then looked through the spotting scope, which in this case is a pair of Meopta MeoStar 10-42 binoculars. Usually I expect to see the pellet hole either inside the bullseye I was aiming at or just outside. This time I saw nothing. Whaaaaaat?!

Shoot from 12 feet

Okay, I then did something I almost NEVER do with a rifle that has open sights. I sighted in! I walked up to within 12 feet of the target and shot again. This is how I sight in with scopes. If the pellet is missing the target at 10 meters there is a chance it won’t miss from 12 feet. I would say to shoot from 10 feet but 12 feet allows me to use my garage door jamb to steady the rifle.

The second shot hit the target to the left of the center bullseye I aimed at. Seeing that I then examined the rubber mulch box the target was taped to more carefully and found the first shot from 10 meters. It was just outside the target paper on the high left side. Thank goodness I decided to use a side of the box with no holes in it!

BM8 sighty in 1
The sight-in shot from 12 feet hit to the left of the bullseye I aimed at. The first shot from 10 meters hit just outside the target paper — both high and to the left.

Adjust sights

This is the first time (I think) that I’ve ever had to adjust the sights on a factory airgun to hit at 10 meters. I’ve had to do it with used airguns but who knew where they had been sighted by their last owners?

So I went to adjust the rear sight and discovered  — YUCKK! To adjust the sight you need a small thin-bladed screwdriver!!! You shouldn’t need anything to adjust the sights on a SURVIVAL rifle — and that is why I made such a big deal about pointing out the rifle’s title in the beginning. Not only do you need a particular screwdriver to adjust the windage — you also need one to adjust for elevation, but fortunately the screws are sized differently so you need two DIFFERENT screwdrivers. And that is where the YUCKK comes from.

I adjusted the rear sight to the right — and thanks Black Bunker, for not telling me which way to turn the windage adjustment screw to move the sight where it had to go. We don’t want to let folks know THAT, do we? Then I shot again. That pellet did move to the right of the previous one, but not far enough. I adjusted the rear sight further to the right and shot again. The next shot did move farther to the right but not far enough. More adjustments made no more pellet movements. I shot a couple more times just to be sure. I even tried adjusting the rear sight as low as it would go in hopes that doing that would free it up to move more to the right, but no dice.

BM8 sight in 2
I adjusted the rear sight to the right and got the results you see on the top left target. My aim point is still the center bullseye. Then adjusting the rear sight as low as it would go dropped the pellet straight down, but didn’t move it to the right at all.

So, I adjusted the rear sight farther to the right and at some point the adjustment screw became loose and wonky. 

BM8 sight limit
The rear sight notch is adjusted as far to the right as it will go. In this picture the windage adjustment screw on the left has popped out of its hole and is now spring-loaded. Turn it more and the rear notch starts moving back to the left.

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WHAAAAT?

Yep, the rear sight adjustment screw ran out of adjustment range, but it didn’t stop turning to tell me I reached the end. Oh, no! That would have been too easy. It just keeps on unscrewing and then becomes spring-loaded to bring the rear sight notch back to the left. The screw head starts backing out of the hole it is in and the rear sight notch starts moving back to the left again. Yes, it does. If I’m lyin’ I’m dyin’!

BM8 sight irelaxed
In this picture you can see the spring that pushes against the rear sight notch. See the adjusting screw head sticking out on the left side?

BM8 sight pressed
Here I’m pressing the sight adjustment screw in against the spring. See how far the sight notch has moved to the right?

Trigger

I found the single stage trigger with its vague letoff very easy to use. It did not hamper shooting the rifle one bit!

Status

What I have here is a survival air rifle whose open sights cannot be adjusted to hit what I aim at. Will every BM8 be like this one? I don’t know. But since the parts are manufactured I would think they would all be similar.

So the open sights are a no-go. What does that leave? Well, a dot sight would be my second choice, but to use one the front and rear sights have to be removed. The rear sight is held on by two screws, so no problem. The front sight looks like a crosspin has to be removed. There is no way I’m doing that!

That leaves a scope. Nothing wrong with a scope on an air rifle, but on a survival rifle there certainly is. Why? Because it’s bulky, subject to change its zero and is one more point of failure. I will test this rifle next time with a scope, but that’s as far as I go. From this point on I’m not testing a survival rifle; I’m testing a breakbarrel air rifle.

Summary

What I had hoped to do was to follow the guidelines laid down in the Getting started with a breakbarrel springer report. Today I had hoped to find the best way to hold the rifle and perhaps test a couple different pellets. Instead I got serenpoopity.

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Tom Gaylord, also known as B.B. Pelletier, provides expert insights to airgunners all over the world on behalf of Pyramyd AIR. He has earned the title The Godfather of Airguns™ for his contributions to the industry, spending many years with AirForce Airguns and starting magazines dedicated to the sport such as Airgun Illustrated.
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140 thoughts on “Black Bunker BM8 survival air rifle: Part Four”

  1. BB,
    This a good example of marketing, ‘selling the sizzle, not the steak’ to a segment that they apparently want to take advantage of (& assume that the consumer won’t actually USE the product).
    As a survival unit, it would make a really good wall-hanger.
    Bill

    • B.B,

      You got it ALL WRONG!

      You must use the SIDES of the rifle to aim!
      I would recommend trying the LEFT SIDE first!

      Direct quote from one buyer’s (of the TWO) 5 STAR Reviews:
      “Things I liked:
      It come with the sides dead on the money accurate shoots very hard. I like how it’s compact and I can carry in my rucksack.”

      shootski

  3. With all these plastic added parts to support the sights it is no wonder that they are not aligned. Unfortunately this thing looks like it cannot be used like a club as well, being made of many folding pieces. I will expect to see the scoped testing results only out of curiosity.

  4. I said this in Part 3; I’m sticking with it:

    “I see this gun? As a marketing ploy based on scare tactics and questionable claims. Not the first time money has been made on these appeals to the paranoid.

    I don’t need the accuracy tests to see this gun would not be a good survival tool.”
    Don

  5. Serenpoopity, I will have to remember that word!.

    I like the general LOOK of the rifle in its assembled form.
    But in the triangular carry mode, not so much.

    But yes, if it can not do the job it’s intended for, then it has to be relegated to the “fun gun” rack.
    Not something you would have to depend on when you needed it.

    The power level is right, the features are right, but this particular example is falling short in the “Philosophy of Use” category.

    And with a $279 price point, I think there are more proven options out there.

    I hope everyone has a great weekend!
    Go out and sling some lead!

    Ian

    • Yes there are better options…. for less than half the price! Crosman Vantage with a Gamo sling, plus pellets would be only a little bit over half, plus it will be sightable. Or a 362 in one of those backpacks with an attached rifle scabbard.

    • I would argue that this is a gun which should have been relegated to the fun gun rack from the start. The whole idea of some specialized “survival airgun” is kind of ridiculous to begin with. I mean pretty much any multi-pump or springer that makes more than 12 foot pounds and delivers reasonable accuracy should fulfill that role, and perhaps pcps do as well. If you’ve got that then you’ve got what you need for quiet pest control, small game hunting and target practice. There’s no need for it to fold up or to have a bayonet or a funny little utility case. That speaks to me of more of someone’s zombie apocalypse bug out fantasy than any real practical utility in an actual survival situation.

      Fantasy isn’t a bad thing however and I still think it would make a pretty cool novelty airgun, providing it can shoot straight.

      • SB,

        You’ve got it all wrong. This is for hunting Jackalopes and Snipes. You spear the Jackalopes with the bayonet and put the Snipes you catch in the “funny little utility case”.

    • 45Bravo,

      Took our advice and slung some Lead (Pb) this afternoon/evening to exercise the SIG SSG ASP20’s Gas Springs and piston seals; as well as my Off Hand/Wind skills. The .22 caliber was spot on for 15 shots so i grabbed the .177 and it was all over the Skippy PB jar seal at 30m! Quick check of the QD rear Base Bolt showed it wasn’t even finger tight; snugged that puppy down and it was right back to Skippy CM (Center Mass) and more FUN until game called by rain.

      Hope you have better weather!

      shootski

  7. I don’t feel so bad about my shooting results with this, It probably was not me. But I did not use the open sights. Glasses could not focus on them. The barrel may be over bored. Some pellets were loose / very loose on insertion. Although some u tube said it was accurate? Right pellet used by chance?

    Pellet picky? Thought I felt a slight second stage a few times, but I could never count on it. Kept looking for it and misfired instead.

    As for that front sight, it moves around the barrel with the composite shroud. A very little bit. Then I just found the retaining pin for the shroud in the breach bock sticking out of the right side. So it’s not that tight.
    I also just checked and found all three stock mounting screws loose. Left front very loose. Rear top, almost falling out. The barrel is very loose when broke open but seems to lock up real tight. Did not check this before I shot it, My bad. That pin was not sticking out when I first shot it. The folding stock is rock solid.

    I would really like this rifle to work out. I like the way it handles when shot, but this level of craftmanship may be fighting me. May need some personal adjusting. Time will tell, perhaps tomorrow?

    • One more thing the point of impact changed quite a bit when I switched from the Premier HP to the JSB 25.39 Jumbo Monsters at 10M, not better, but I ran out of time to shoot them much. What does it mean? Not sure, it just reacts differently with other pellets. Hope there is a right one out there someplace and I find out how she likes to dance with it after a few hundred songs. I can stake pins and lock-tight screws.
      The rear sight mount screws were tight but not very tight. No obvious play there.

      • Bob M,

        It is my hope that you are successful in your endeavor to turn that sow’s ear into a silk purse. The lack of quality is not a true indication of its function. I have at least one top shelf quality air rifle here at RRHFWA that I would not use for other than shooting feral soda cans.

        With tinkering, different pellets and much practice, you may indeed find a dance partner there that is worthy of going to the ball. The trigger is something that is disturbing to me, but I have learned a few tricks to make some of them pretty awesome. If you take a long, hard look at how it works, perhaps you can improve it also. If nothing else, you just may learn to live with it.

        You really do need the bayonet to go Jackalope hunting though.

  8. Bob, you were a bit faster than me today. Just checked the comments from Feb 23rd, it seemed to me you were trying to master a BM8…
    Might be an opportunity to do a side-by side comparison. From what I see, some of the things BB went through did inspire you…

    • Papa Schultz,
      For sure he did. In the short time I shot it I got better but the flyers really opened the groups. Need to get the trigger pulls down pat. Nothing can be taken for granted with this one. I will need to work on everything that affects its accuracy. If it has any?
      Remember I’m new to accurate paper target shooting, for the most part, with springers in particular, I’m having a go at it and trying to do it right and avoid wasting my time. Life demands to much of it these days for me. It is challenging, hope it becomes fun or at least enjoyable.

  11. BB
    Rear sight windage adjustment.
    Just looked in mine. See that small detent along the right side of the vertical adjustment block that holds the windage block, well there is a very small ‘C’ clip that holds the windage adjustment knob in place. It more than likely fell out or was never installed? You should be able to see it through the slot on the sight assembly exterior right side. Sometimes they never really snap in place fully seated. Happy hunting for it.
    You may have stripped out the plastic? threads in the windage block? Because of it, or vice versa.

  12. You guys need to get serious about the Bayonet.
    It’s obviously there to commit Hara-kiri when you find yourself and your family starving to death because you failed to hunt down any food with the rifle. The whole thing is a sinister device issued by SMASH to take out Democracy in the world. James Bond is working on it as we speak.
    Hope we get it to shoot straight and end this situation before it gets out of hand.

    • Bob M,

      I think you are too late. It is already out of hand. I for one am not helping matters either. Quite the contrary.

      As for committing Hara-kiri with this bayonet, I personally would prefer a much longer blade. You may be on to something there with the involvement of SMASH.

      I need witnesses right now!

      It is my prediction that the next big thriller movie will have a sniper that pulls out a similar high-powered rifle, unfolds it, reach into the “purse” and removes and mounts a scope and silencer, and without sighting in will assassinate either the President or some other high mucky-muck from over 3000 yards away.

      This sniper rifle will also be fully automatic, spit out thousands of rounds and never run out of ammo. It will likely jam though, allowing the “hero”, likely James Bond, to kill the assassin with this ink pen.

        • Bill,

          It is hereby recorded for posterity. It is like a “Poorman’s Patent” where you send a copy of your idea to yourself in the mail and do not open such until you hand it to the judge in a patent lawsuit, proving you had such an idea on such and such a date.

          Of course, it is useless when your idea is stolen by the Chinese. The U.S. government is not about to back you up, most especially then the President and his family are in their back pockets.

  13. B.B.

    Would a PCP, with a large bulbous CF air tank full, float? If so, maybe that should be the new survival rifle?

    This thing, you should fold up and try and lasso the animal within the triangle. This thing is just a “hunk of junk”….
    As my grandmother used to tell me, “If something sounds to good to be true, it probably is!”.

    Have a great Weekend everybody.

    -Yogi

    • Yogi,

      Maybe.

      I use double steel 100s for diving and folks with CF ask me why i don’t get the much lighter cylinders…that is when i ask them how much Lead they carry on their dive belts.
      ENDS that discussion right quick.
      Don’t even need to ask them what would happen if their belt broke or was intentionally dropped for an Emergency controlled resurface.

      shootski

  14. Now I understand the purpose of the bayonet! You attach it to the front of the BM8 and hurl it at the Jackalopes like a spear
    , hoping to impale them.

    Serenpoopity. I like that. I will be sure to add it to the growing list.

    My rememberer did not recall where that word came from. Thanks.

    Let’s see:

    serenpoopity
    rememberer
    marketeer
    sproinger
    feral soda can
    invasive cardboard stock

    Come on folks! Let us make this list longer! I know they are out there! This blog has been at it for some time now! Maybe we can get some of these terms added to the Dictionary. Why let the Gen Zers, etcetera have all the fun?!

  15. RR, first on your list could be “pelletier”

    Distrust any gun with a model number that starts with “BM”?

    And I stand by my initial thought of appealing to those who liked the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator. Adding a bayonet to an air rifle screams “TOY” to this pelletier. It needs a speaker that makes a really loud bang noise to every shot, that would scare away an intruder. Just the appearance would induce immediate retreat.

    • JerryC,

      Damn! Had to log in again! I love WordPress, I love WordPress, I love WordPress,…

      Pelletier, how could I possibly have missed that one?

      I would like to have an I Q-36 ESM, but I am afraid it went the way of Elmer Fudd’s shotgun and Yosemite Sam’s pistols.

      Maybe the “purse” can be made into a speaker.

  16. I can tell you were a little frustrated when writing this report. Siraniko is still trying to capture all the typos, ran out of time, and had to go to work.

    OK, where does that leave us.. we can either talk about motorcycles or remote control airplanes or we can talk about this “survival” airgun. So let’s assume this is the beta testing model released prematurely on an unsuspecting public. What this needs is a quick release of the Mark II version. Personally, for an air rifle that can be folded to fit in a backpack, I would start with AR 15 style foldable back up iron sights. Perhaps even a foldable AR 15 style stock or pistol brace that can be extended to fit different-sized folks. For the barrel, I would consider a shorter barrel with an extendable barrel shroud for cocking leverage or an under lever with an extension piece. Springers do not need long barrels to be accurate but you need the leverage to cock a powerful springer.

    • Roamin

      When you throw this thing folded maybe it sails and never returns.

      Roamin, back on November 11, 2023 you and Remarq asked about the velocity of my AR2078A and maybe my Crosman 160. I said I would let you know some warm day. Yesterday it was in the 40’s Fah, not good for CO2 velocity, but I had the chrony set up for other rifles and decided what the heck just fire off a couple of shots before it cools down. So I retrieved the AR2078A that had been resting for months inside at 72 degrees with only 26 shots fired from the twin CO2 cartridges, hurried outside and put two through the chrony. They measured 625 and 620 fps with AA Express 7.87 grain pellets. FPE= 8.47
      I get 100 good shots on the two CO2’s.

      Just for curiosity I got my Crosman 160 that had 13 pellets shot from its twin CO2 cartridges several months ago. It measured 596 and 597 fps with FTT 14.66 grain pellets. FPE= 11.6. I get 25 good shots on the two CO2’s.

      Both are fun to shoot and as I think I told hihihi they have similar accuracy being consistently under an inch at 25 yards. I know that this test is not a fair sampling for velocity but perhaps it is in the ball park.

      Deck

          • RR,

            You are into boomerangs? Do you make your own?

            I used to hunt cottontails with heavy maple boomerangs that were designed not to return (understand now that they are properly called “rabbit sticks”). Lost my last one and was out the other day looking for a suitable piece of hardwood to make another.

            Tuning them to fly without a wobble was always a challenge.

            Hank

            • Hank,

              I have attempted to make a few. The ones I have made would more likely be properly called “rabbit sticks” as they did not return when thrown. Most of what I have at the moment are left-handed as I am and will return if I throw them in a large enough area. I like the ones that are designed for large open spaces.

              I am also into sport kites, mostly quads. I have dabbled with the indoor kites some and still have a Great Zero Wind Decca, but mostly have a few Revolutions, including some Backtrackers.

              I probably should get rid of these as I have not been flying them lately. The truth is I have been doing more shooting than anything else for some time now.

      • Thank you, Deck. I just bid on and won another 160, this one has the peep sight. I’m gonna hunt some peeps! I’m also going to try to fashion a large cardboard box with some loops of carpeting or bubble wrap to quiet the report in an effort to make it basement friendly.

        Still cold up in my neck of the woods. But it’s sunny today.

    • RR
      Here is where a side lever springer with a short barrel and a folding stock would shine. That small Baikal Mp 61 with the horizontal magazine could be an ideal initial platform. I once threw the idea to BB, when he was testing it or the similar Embarkment I believe, but it was not a gun he would keep to give it a try.

  17. Perhaps it is classified as a “survival” tool because anything you shoot at with it will likely survive the BM8’s inaccuracy. FM said from the time this thing was introduced, he would wait for the Godfather of Airguns to test it before deciding whether to introduce one to the other Casa FM residents. Ain’t gonna happen and feel your pain, BB. That new Crosman 3362 is more of a traditional “survival” item than this one, in FM’s uninformed and unimportant opinion.

    For a real survival situation, FM will stick to a powder burner; it’s more because of the danger from two-legged critters who seem to be somewhat out of control and increasingly crazy, all over the planet.

    • FM, that’s simple truth. There are a number of .22 rimfire guns that would be more likely to help one survive, and they are portable, reliable, and accurate. And then, we’d want a 12 gage and a centerfire carbine, etc. etc.

      I think something like the Blue Streak would be useful as a squirrel gun.

      • Jerry,

        Back in the 70’s you could get a Spanish made double barrel .410 shotguns for $33.00. They were short barreled, chambered for 3″ shells, finished chrome with black synthetic stocks and folded double into a compact package that would easily fit into a pack.

        They were very popular with the trappers. A friend had one that he brought on every fishing/camping trip.

        Always wanted one but at at that time (when a .22 rimfire was $17.00 and a shotgun $29.00) I never had the spare cash.

        Hank

    • “Perhaps it is classified as a “survival” tool because anything you shoot at with it will likely survive….”

      My coffee shot out my nose when I read that! I was imagining how the squirrels would all think themselves as bulletproof! ROTFL!

      Note to Hihihi: ROTFL = rolling on the floor laughing

      • Roamin Greco,

        thanks for the translation. And thanks too for remembering my difficulty in understanding acronyms. You’re a good man…

        … and everyone else who also makes an effort to write full English words. 🙂

            • What? Use full English words or be a good man?

              I am an Appalachian American. I do not speak English. I speak Appalachian.

              As for being a good man, I do try but present-day society dictates that I am not. The inmates are in charge of the asylum.

              • RidgeRunner,

                my aussie girlfriend doesn’t speak English either. It sometimes amuses me when I become aware how we communicate in two different languages.
                For example, ‘how ya goin’
                me, ‘fine, thanks’.
                You see, it’s easy when you know, eh. 🙂

                As for your observation of the loonies running the bin… Trouble is, they’re very clever! Even I am still half alseep to what’s really going on. 🙁
                It’ll take time or something extraordinary for us all to wake up and want to put them back into their bouncy castles. 🙂

  18. After seeing this report and what happened to the rear sight windage adjustment device I began to wonder who the heck designed and made this thing. I wondered why would anyone design a gun with substantial recoil to have a flimsy little C clip (which is susceptible to coming off due to the vibrations, etc). If my search is valid, Kore Outdoor Ltd is responsible. Who are they you ask? The largest manufacturer of paintballs and related equipment in the world. There you have it. I suggest getting some red paintballs for ammo. And one of those fake soft rubber “knives” (that retract into the handle to make it look like it just stabbed someone) for a “bayonet”. Fun, fun, fun…

    • EFudd-

      I would call that an ‘E’ clip rather than a ‘C’ clip. Provided the retaining groove is properly sized, ‘E’ clips are perfectly acceptable for this application regardless of vibration.

      Rather than mount a scope on this example which has a modest assembly flaw, I would prefer that BB reach out to the manufacturer and retailer. Everyone can have an oops. Seeing how they handle the situation is more enlightening to a potential consumer.

      • Thanks, I like learning things. Today I learned the difference between a C-clip and an E-clip. I also learned that the proper way to install one also involves which side is facing the force. Here’s a link to a Wikipedia article that explains which side should face the force:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circlip

        I am unsure which side the force would be applied from in the application of the rear sight windage adjustment. It is difficult to tell from just looking at the photos.

        There are several reasons I dislike the clips. One is this:

        The term “Jesus clip” is a comical reference given to it due to its tendency to come loose and launch itself at high speed while removing or installing it, often leading to the remark “Oh Jesus, where did it go?”

        One guess in the case of BB’s rifle is the installer never even noticed the clip came loose and was missing.

        Another reason I dislike them is that my luck with them is not very good. The internal type clips are used as wrist pin retainers in an outboard boat motor I used to own. The mechanics who rebuilt that motor for me apparently reused the old clips. The result was another rebuild was necessary. I got some help and rebuilt it myself, and it is still running well for the guy who owns it now. So, I agree that these clips can work in a vibrating environment. However, the potential for failure due to faulty installation is rather high.

  19. BB,
    That’s really sad about the open sights; hopefully, you just got a lemon.
    Here’s another youtube video from the same guy who made the assembly video of the BM8.
    In this video, he shoots and chronographs it; at the end, he shoots a fairly decent group at ~30-35 yards:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wgN8F65MH0
    Maybe he just lucked out with a good specimen.
    Blessings to you,
    dave

    • Dave,

      Well, mine is obviously missing that little clip in the rear sight assembly. But why is that assembly designed the way that it is — so complex? A simpler design would not be as prone to failure and also it would be more obvious if it had failed.

      So the scope test should put me back to where things were supposed to be in the first place. I can’t wait! 🙂

      BB

      • “But why is that assembly designed the way that it is — so complex?”

        BB, my first ever engineering boss, Weldon Bracket (God rest his soul) had the answer for such things.
        He would say that sight design is “…a perfect example of ‘H.S. Engineering’!”
        (No need to spell that out in this family friendly blog.=>)
        It was a phrase he used often for what he considered very poorly thought out examples of engineering.
        I really hope the manufacturers and marketers for this rifle take note! 😉
        Blessings & a nice weekend to you,
        dave

        • Right. I have some beach front property in Florida I would like to sell to those folks. We can look at it at low tide.

          I would be happy to read such, but I do not have time to waste on such drivel. That is like saying Sleazy Joe knows what he is doing.

    • 2nd that motion!

      Maybe better for survival would be a peep with slightly larger aperture for light and dim shooting light. Could remove the aperture to have a ghost ring.

    • If’n it was mine and it would shoot worth a diddly, I would do such. Of course that is another $100. First let us see if it will shoot worth a diddly. We already know the trigger is horrible.

      • RR,

        The trigger is not horrible. It is a long, light and smooth single stage that has no positive release point. I said I can work with it, and I can. It isn’t a great trigger but it is usable.

        BB

  21. “The Black Bunker Team is already working on the development of complementary products and next-generation models, which will be introduced continuously.”

    May be better to wait and see. They are certainly getting feedback here. Do they want a quality product or a low cost one. Offer both! This rifle needs to find the perfect pellet, or slug, ASAP

    1. Make provisions for much better aftermarket flip up backup sights or install some.
    2. Install a much better barrel tested for accuracy. Or an optional one.
    3. Offer non-slip adjustable butt stock pad accessory. or install one.
    4. Sling mounts? For field carry.

    • BB

      I apologize. I considered that when I thought about it,, after I had posted. It is appreciated that you take enough pride in your blog to do that. I noticed the politically snide remarks have almost stopped as well. I am happy when I can recommend this site to anyone without worry about their being offended. I will try to do better in the future, you can be sure.

      Ed

  23. Here’s another term for the times – FM was inspired to coin it when listening to a discussion on the subject of the Bible in a non-mainstream radio station; one of the commenters mentioned how some people actually believe that if they “find it on Google, it is fact.” A great part of the time, in FM’s experience and depending on the subject, that is not the case. So non-facts and non-truths gleaned from Google are…”Googlepoop,” at least in FMlandia.

  24. I am somehow reminded of a streaming TV series I recently started watching. It’s called “Roadworthy Rescues”. The guy (in Tennessee) finds these old cars and trucks in what are essentially junkyards, and amazingly gets them back on the road with all kinds of fixes done in the wild, with duct tape and sometimes superchargers and nitrous oxide. He refers to spark plugs as “sparkolaters” and carburetors as “fuelmakeithappeners”. It’s a hoot. https://www.motortrend.com/plus/show/roadworthy-rescues/24703/

  25. He makes it all so clear.
    The Lightning Storage Box sends power through the Electricity Tubes to the Spark Boosters and the Spark Pointer sends them through the Spark Hoses to the Sparkolaters.

  26. Readership,

    SUPER DEAL on V1 LabRadars!
    They have demonstrators for deep discount as well as brand new V1s also with really good discounts!

    Unless you need the smaller form factor or the higher FPS this is the best pricing you are ever going to see.

    Shootski

  27. BB
    I may have been wrong in identifying the missing clip for the windage knob. It could be an “E’ clip, not a ‘C’ clip. I did not remove it for verification.
    I use the term loosely like the word screw. Anybody who works with them knows what they are. However, if you are ordering them you need to be specific, the proper term would be needed.

    If you need assistance email me. I can pull it off. Just need to climb into a big plastic bag first. Don’t know if you have any laying around.

  28. OK, let’s see now:
    pelletier
    serenpoopity
    rememberer
    marketeer
    sproinger
    feral soda can
    invasive cardboard stock
    unobtainium
    boolit
    Googlepoop
    Brain Concentrator Switch (mine is nonfunctional)
    geegob
    Appalachian American

    C’mon folks! FM won the contest yesterday! Today is a new day! We need some other terms to add to our dictionary!

  29. On a little bit more serious note, my rememberer tells me that BB at one time visited the subject of a “survival” airgun. If I am not mistaken, it was his personal recommendation that a multi-pump air rifle would be something to use for such. I believe his reasoning was the simplicity of the system, the compactness, the reliability and the ease of repair.

    It has been my personal experience that BB knows what he is talking about. Here at RidgeRunner’s Home For Wayward Airguns, I have many examples of sproingers, PCPs and even a couple of CO2s. I only have one multi-pump.

    If’n I was to have only one airgun for a “survival” situation, I would grab that multi-pump and a bunch of pellets. It is rugged, simple, compact and easily rebuilt. I also do not have to worry about supplying an air supply or CO2. I do not need a spring compressor for repairing sproingers.

    No, I would not shoot a deer with this thing. Small game had better watch out though. 😉

    There, my two cents worth.

    • RR
      If your “survival airgun” thinking was basically accepted (me included) then let me humbly suggest another option; an HW 90 with a small bike suspension pump and some orings. No need for compressors or multi pumping science. One stroke-one kill. And with 20+ fpe you CAN kill even a deer in 30 yards, as long as you know and you are capable of what you are doing…

      • Bill-

        Mighty optimistic to think that 20 ft lbs will be deer effective. Spotlighters that I knew used standard velocity 22 lr and those are right at 100 ft lbs. Shoot them in the eye.

      • Bill,

        I would really like to have an HW 90, however you are talking of having a separate pump to charge the piston when required. Why not have a separate pump to charge a PCP?

        • There is no comparison between the two pumps. The one for shock absorbers can fit in your jacket’s pocket. And the number of orings to fail is just about one! Ah I forgot to mention a really small screw driver, the size of a small pencil. Unscrew, blead the air, change the oring, pump to pressure.

          • Bill,

            I am not attempting to disparage the pump to which you are referring. Quite frankly, I would very much like to have an HW90 and pump.

            My stating of such is that we are talking about another piece to carry.

    • I personally feel that there are loads of excellent airguns out there that would be perfectly suited to quietly hunting small game and are small and light and would easily fit in a backpack or under the seat of a car. The problem with nearly all of them is that they require an external source of air and all of the available hand pumps are both too heavy and too large for backpacking.

      If someone were to make a 2 pound hand pump that folded up or easily disassembled to fit in a compact space then someone could just use any of the small PCPs as a “survival airgun”.

      • SB,

        There are air pumps that do have fold up foot pads on the bottom and there are some that are easily disassembled. The weight limit of two pounds would most definitely be an issue though.

        I think the biggest issue these days is most folks want PCPs that inflate to some incredible pressures. FM has several that only inflate to 2000 PSI. Crosman is reintroducing that “low” pressure fill with their newbie PCP, the 3622. Of course, someone will develop a regulator to insert in it and take it to over 3000 PSI. Some folks just do not have anything else to do.

        In the real old days. PCPs were filled to 600-800 PSI and were powerful enough to bring down large game or used for weapons of war for that matter.

        I personally think we need to take a few steps back. This is a challenge to Crosman and/or Ed Schultz. I would like to see a Discovery/Maximus that only inflates to 1000 PSI. I know it can be done. Where did the Discovery come from in the first place?

        Oh, and please build this to a higher level of quality than the 3622. I will be most happy to pay the extra cost.

        • I totally think it can be done, because in a way it already has been done. The Seneca Aspen already manages to reach very high pressures with a very small and lightweight pump. Unfortunately though, they joined it at the hip to a very mediocre rifle.

          Now if they could only separate the two and just sell the pump.

  30. pelletier
    serenpoopity
    rememberer
    marketeer
    sproinger
    feral soda can
    invasive cardboard stock
    unobtainium
    boolit
    Googlepoop
    Brain Concentrator Switch (mine is nonfunctional)
    geegob
    Appalachian American
    thingamajig
    fuzzy-tailed tree rats

    The list is still growing folks!

  31. ACCELERATED AGING SIMULATOR

    Imagine if every currently available, real airgun were subjected to the same accelerated aging simulation to see which can be regularly used and abused for the longest time, with minimal or no maintenance or repair…

    I wonder what might end up in the Top Ten List of Longest Lasting Airguns? 🙂

    My guess is that there would be at least one that uses leather for seals, what do you think?

    • There is a good chance of there being more than one. I myself have at least a couple, one dating to 1906.

      PS: There have been times I have felt as though that thingamajig had been pointed at me.

  32. Speaking of squirrels, this morning I saw at least five around my pile of corn in the back yard and at least seven around my bird feeder in the front yard. They sure are lucky that Mrs. RR would be very upset if I was to thin them out a bit.

  33. Speaking of leather seals, does anyone believe in the resurgence of such? It is my personal hope that such should happen, most especially if one was to use silicone oil instead of petroleum-based oils, dieseling and detonations would be reduced to about nil.

    I do see most of today’s folks being too lazy or ignorant to bother with lubricating the leather seals properly. Those who did such would likely use any old oil they had. Likely this would lead to some incredible velocities, for a short time. Then, if the airgun just happened to survive it all, I could pick it up real cheap. 🙂

    • B-D,

      I am well familiar with it. It is not an airgun though.

      In a true “survival” situation, a .22LR is a superb weapon to have. As with your example, there are many compact, light alternatives for such. Ammunition can be cheap, easy to find and easy to carry. Small game can be taken with such and it is powerful enough to bring down larger game with a well-placed shot.

      You should probably throw in some fishing equipment also. Hey, that is what can go in the “purse”. Why did we not think of that before? Will some fishing equipment AND a Snipe fit in there?

        • Benji-Don,

          It isn’t a big concern of mine either.
          If you can get through the first four weeks or so there will be more than enough to gather from all the now unused stock piles for a time until you can establish the very small scale food production that would be needed to meet the survivors needs.
          WHAT is shootski talking about!
          Having taken enough folks on extended kayak camping trips the skill levels just to stay healthy in the wilderness is a LOST art for at least 95% of the USA’s population.
          I doubt most of the First and Second World is much better.
          We have made much of the Third World so dependent on aide that i doubt they could survive for long either given the population explosion that comes with that food and medicine aide!

          shootski

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