A shrine built for a Feinwerkbau 124 – Part 8

by B.B. Pelletier

Part 7
Part 6
Part 5
Part 4
Part 3
Part 2
Part 1

Okay, you were very patient; so, today, I’ll show you the early results of pellet testing with the FWB 124. Remember, this testing is done with open sights at 10 meters, and it was done just to narrow the field of the new pellets that will compete with the vintage Silver Jets at 25 yards from a scoped rifle. You can’t really test a rifle’s accuracy potential at just 10 meters unless it’s a 10-meter target rifle.

Before we begin, though, I must thank Volvo for these pellets. Earlier this year, he generously donated several tins of odd and exotic pellets to my collection. Among these were several boxes of Beeman Silver Jets. So, thanks to him we are able to have this test series.

Many of you said you thought the Silver Jet pellets were well made and you predicted they would do very well against the best modern pellets. As it turns out, all of the modern pellets I selected to test are domes, which seem to be the most accurate pellets around. We’ll be pitting a pointed pellet against a dome, which under most circumstances I would say is unfair, because pointed pellets cannot keep up with domes as the range gets longer. But, in this case, all bets are off. We’re going to see what actually works the best.

The 124 is a little buzzy when fired. I don’t really like it, but I guess I left it that way to get the maximum velocity from the rifle. The trigger is adjusted to break crisply, though it’s certainly not a Rekord by anyone’s definition.

Silver Jets
The first group of Silver Jets was fired using the rifle resting on the backs of my fingers. I got a good group, but soon learned that the backs of the fingers was not the optimum way to hold the rifle. Instead, I went to a standard artillery hold, with the forearm resting on the flat of my open palm. The palm was touching the triggerguard, so the rifle was a touch muzzle-heavy, which stabilizes the rifle.


The first target with Silver Jets looks promising, but there are two shots outside the main group of eight. We’ll have to do better than that to beat the modern pellets. This was the target I shot with the rifle on the backs of my fingers.

JSB Exact RS
The next pellet up was the JSB Exact RS that performed so well in the R8 test. I expected similar results from the 124, though the velocity is, no doubt, at least 100 f.p.s. faster. But the group I shot wasn’t a good one. It showed a tendency for vertical stringing, which ruined the hopes for a nice tight group.


JSB Exact RS pellets strung vertically in this disappointing group of 10.

JSB Exact 8.4 grain
Next, I tried JSB Exact 8.4-grain pellets. Almost a full grain heavier than the RS pellets, they seemed to calm down and group well. Are they worth consideration? Time will tell.


JSB Exact 8.4-grain pellets gave this fairly round group of 10 at 10 meters. This looks promising.

Kodiaks
Beeman Kodiaks might be considered by some to be too heavy for a rifle in this power category. I’m not one of those who believes that. I’ve seen remarkable things from Kodiaks in low-powered spring guns, and I thought they were worth taking a chance with the 124. My hopes were vindicated by a very promising group.


Ten Beeman Kodiaks tore into this well-rounded group. Although it has a couple outside the group, it shows potential.

Air Arms domes
The next pellets I tried were Air Arms domes in the 4.51mm head size. These pellets are made by JSB, so why bother trying them? Aren’t they identical to the JSB Exacts in 8.4 grains? No, they’re not. Air Arms owns the dies used to make these pellets, and the word on the street is that they’re made to better tolerances than the JSB dies. I don’t know if that’s true or just a rumor. I DO know they perform differently.


The Air Arms domes ripped this very tight ten-meter group, earning a spot in the final test. This is exemplary performance.

Air Arms Falcon pellets
The Air Arms Falcon pellet is one I probably would not have tried, simply because I was unaware of it. But someone pointed it out to me and I got a tin for tests just like this. From the weight, I’d have to say it looks like a close copy of the Exact RS pellet, but once again there might be a significant difference. From the performance results, I’d have to say there is.


The best group of the test by a slim margin.

Silver Jets, again
And, finally, I re-shot another group of Silver Jets using the flat-of-the-hand technique, and the results were better than the first time. This time, the group was as encouraging as the Kodiak group and indicative of a possible screamer in the future.


Ten Silver Jets are looking mighty good on this target. That was using the standard artillery hold technique.

Summary to this point
Okay, I’ve tested the 124 with Silver Jets and 6 other pellets that all have a reputation for great long-range accuracy. Why didn’t I test Crosman Premiers? I can’t say. I just didn’t.

Of the 6 pellets I tested, 3 stood out for further testing at 25 yards after I scope the rifle. The Beeman Kodiaks look like they want to group. The Air Arms 8.4-grain domed pellets look very promising, and the Air Arms Falcon pellets were the best of this test. But the Beeman Silver Jets don’t seem to be out of the running. What I need is a good scope and 25 yards distance to shoot some more 10-shot groups. Then we’ll have something to talk about.

Important news for 124 owners!
Last Friday, I spoke at length to Geve Salvino, the Tech Service Manager at Pyramyd Air. One of the things he told me is that Pyramyd Air has gone out and had their own proprietary 124 piston seal made, and they’ve repaired 22 124 rifles as of our conversation. I asked Gene to send me one of the new seals, so I can blog it for you, and yes, once more I’m going inside my 124 to install this new seal and give you a report. For those of you who would like to be able to just send in your 124 for repairs, Pyramyd Air is now open for business…and the rates are low. I’ll tell you more about that when I show you the seal.

65 Responses to “A shrine built for a Feinwerkbau 124 – Part 8”

  • Mr B. Says:

    Good morning B.B.,

    Looking fwd to hearing that your surgery today went exactly the way it should!

    You’ve got another cliff hanger with PA’s new piston seal–what’s it look like compared to your current one and how did it affect the gun’s performance?

    Bruce

    PS Please tell Edith that spell checker underlined my misspelled words but its correction feature wasn’t working, at least with Google Chrome. Not a big thing for her to have to tend to today, cause she’s got more important things on her mind!

  • David Enoch Says:

    Good morning BB and everyone else. Most of the FWB 124s that I have had shot CPLs well. But one would not group with them at all. I happened to run out of “good pellets” and grabbed what were then the cheap Crosman Pointed Pellets that came in the plastic box. These are different than the pellet now sold as the Pointed Pellet. Anyway, this 124 loves the old plastic box Crosman Pointed Pellets. I always find a few boxes for sale at Little Rock and always add a few more to the stock. I guess this goes to show that you shouldn’t give up on a gun until you have exhausted the pellet selections.

    I hope your day surgery goes well,

    David Enoch

  • Paul Says:

    Will you please the logic of starting at 10 meters, then adding a scope and moving to 25 yards? Also, why is a test at 10 meters useful for evaluating a 10 meter target rifle but not other types of rifles?

    • twotalon Says:

      Additional…
      No point in shooting rifles that are not made for 10 meter shooting at 10 meters.
      Pellet group sizes can increase a lot more than you would think when you stretch the distance out. You want to find the pellet that groups the best at your maximum shooting range. It is hard to tell what pellet would be best or what the rifle can do if tested at 10 meters.

      twotalon

      • Victor Says:

        Twotalon,

        My question is, would a more powerfuil, longer range, air-rifle outperform at 10 meter rifle at 10 meters? These statements almost seem to imply this. Also, I wonder how a good 10 meter rifle would do at longer distance if wadcutter pellets were NOT used.

        From much of what I’ve read, it seems that 10 meter rifles are only limited to 10 meters IF you use wadcutters. I wonder how well a 10 meter rifle would do, at say 25 yards, if a different pellet was used.

        But again, do these longer range guns really do better at 10 meters than a 10 meter gun?

        Thanks,
        Victor

        • twotalon Says:

          A 10 meter gun can shoot pretty well at a distance if wind is not involved, and trajectory is corrected for if you use the right pellet. Wadcutters, pointeds, and hollow points usually do the worst at distance with any gun, so round nose or domed pellets are usually best for longer range. They would probably also be better at 10 meters, but there is that scoring problem with the targets.

          Higher power at 10 meters….
          Pretty much pointless for groups with some guns with their preferred pellets.
          My PCP guns can shoot one hole groups at 30 yds on a good day (for me). Not just a big ragged hole either. Imagine measuring a group at 10 meters…just one hole.
          OK, nobody is going to shoot formal competition at 10 meters with a Condor powered Talon. With wadcutters or anything else. But the first shot would sure scare the crap out of everybody and get me ejected very quickly.

          Also not much point in testing higher powered guns for group at 10 meters, when you get a higher powered gun for shooting at much longer distances.
          You could get the gun fairly close to zero, and weed out some of the worst pellets before going outside and working out the right combination for your intended shooting distance.

          twotalon

        • twotalon Says:

          Doggone it I still did not get your whole question answered.

          OK

          Higher powered guns would probably not shoot better at 10 meters if they were restricted to wadcutters. Wadcutters do not like high velocities very well.
          If You could shoot the rifles favorite of any kind, then the difference would simply be between which gun is more accurate. I would suspect that the edge would go to the lower powered gun if both are springers. Less violent recoil and vibration usually improves accuracy.
          Running a springer against any other power plant also puts the shooter at a disadvantage. Springers are simply the hardest to shoot well.

          As I understand it, there are power limitations for formal competition.

          twotalon

        • CJr Says:

          Victor,
          Typically a 10m rifle has lower power (say 500-700fps) than one you would use for hunting (say 900-1500fps). Why? Because in 10m competition you are only shooting 10m and don’t need the extra power at that range. Would a higher powered rifle do better at 10m than today’s lower powered 10m rifle? Don’t think so or else competition 10m rifles would be higher powered. These 10m competition boys spend thousands on shooting clothes and aids in addition to what they spend on their $3,000+ rifles. They would spend thousands more on higher powered rifles if it made a difference. (Well, some competition rules would have to be changed, too, because there is a foot pound limit on their rifles, I believe)
          -CJr

          • Victor Says:

            CJr,

            I must say, the newer shooting clothes are unreal (rediculous, even). I recently bought a new shooting jacket. I could not believe how stiff it is. When my son tried it on, the first words out of his mouth were “This is cheating!”. I use to shoot ISU and so was equipped for those standards. The rules use to pretty much place everyone on a level playing field, where ones performance was strictly an expression of one’s abilities. I don’t believe that this is true now, and it is reflected in the scores that you now see. Current scores were never achieved by some the greatest shooters of the past like; Lones Wigger, Lanny Basham, or David Kimes. Relatively young shooters are shooting scores that my short list of shooters could not shoot in their mental and physical prime. I’ve asked the question, and the answer is, YES, it’s the clothing. The ammo and guns are not more accurate, I’m told. In fact, I’ve been told that for a period, the ammo performed much worse than in the past.

            My personal feeling is that the rules for ISU need to be changed again so that the true spirit of ISU is recaptured, namely that performance is a function of human ability, and not clothes.

            When I competed, you had two catagories of shooters; NRA, and ISU. Your NRA standards shooters used the heavy, binding, restrictive clothing. There were virtually no limits. The ISU shooter were clothes that had to fit loose, and could not be thick. At the US International Championships, everyone had to stand in line to have EVERYTHING that you were going to use measured. It seems that the new clothing technically passes the old rules for ISU (thickness, fit, etc.), but effectively achieves what the old NRA standard for clothes did. I don’t equate “technical compliance” with “spirit of competition”. Just my opinion.

            • CJr Says:

              Victor,
              Thanks for that. I couldn’t agree with you more. It seems to be very difficult to determine where that line should be drawn. What part is the shooter and what part is the accessories? What exactly is the goal of 10m competition? Is it to test the human or is it to test the equipment. Is the equipment designed to take its self out of the equasion and leave the shooters ability the only variable? …Perhaps. Like a NASCAR race in theory the cars are all supposed to be the same so that only the human part of the race makes the difference, i.e.; driver’s skill and the pit crew’s speed.

              • Victor Says:

                Well, you know, I never wondered how I might have done had I used NRA standards clothing. I was strictly ISU. But, with my thin, soft leather jacket, I was able to shoot a 1600 prone, with iron sights, against my NRA competitors and win. At Camp Perry, I could shoot a 399 kneeling in the wind. I was definitely at a disadvantage in the offhand position in a strong wind, but not indoors. A lot can be accomplished with the older clothing, but it definitely took a lot of work to get there. I appreciate the fact that I can still pick up any rifle and shoot it well without ANY special equipment. In the past we had to develop solid skills (fundamentals), and shooting can be like riding a bicycle, if you know how use your mind and body.

                In the end, I suppose that all things are relative, but the experience has changed I think. I use to think of my rifle as an extension of my mind and body. My impression is that today it’s more an extension of just the mind.

                I think this is why I’m so intrigued by Sporter Class and Field Target competition.

        • Victor Says:

          Twotalon, CJr,

          Thanks for the replies. I still haven’t tried one of the more powerful field target rifles, so I don’t have a practical sense as to how well they perform.

          I guess 10 meter guns are really finely tuned for 10 meters with wadcutters. I use to compete in 10 meter precision class air-rifle, as well as smallbore. I know how accurate the FWB’s are. In fact, I own one of the newer ones. Back when I did complete, I used an FWB 300. My understanding is that the barrel on the newer 700 ALU is not anymore accurate, but has shooting better characterics. Back in the day when I did compete, I tested my FWB at 50 feet in the prone position. That rifle was so accurate that I could shoot pinwheels all day with it. Understand that back then I could shoot 200-20x every time indoors at 50 feet.

          I’m particularly interested in ANY article that talks about accuracy. For the most part, I’m not particularly interested in anything that is not accurate. Because of my background, I like to know when a bad shot is me. I hate having to wonder if it’s the gun. For me, the joy of shooting is the execution.

          I’m reading as much as I can here to learn what air-rifles are best for longer distance shooting. So far, based on what I’ve read, including customer reviews, the Gamo CFX is the best entry level high-power air-rifle, and the Air Arms TX200 MkIII is probably the best all-round high-power air-rifle.

          When I lived in southern CA, there were plenty of good ranges, lots of tournaments, and the leagues were well run. I don’t have anything near that here in Nevada. However, I plan to change all of that.

          Southern CA is huge with many large cities and counties, as opposed to southern NV. However, AZ was able to build up enough of a state and national presence that they could successfully hold large tournaments. If AZ could do it, I think that we should be able to do it here in NV. While my plans are to build up to smallbore, I think that I’ll have to first generate interest with air-guns. That’s a huge part of my motivation in what’s going on here with this blog. I find it to be invaluable to me. I have a great passion for shooting, and air-guns are the best way, I think, to make shooting accessible. Some of what I’ve learned here has made me re-think a lot about what I thought I knew, even about smallbore shooting.

          I do appreciate everyones feedback. For the most part, I’m just sitting back and learning.

          Thanks again,
          Victor

          • twotalon Says:

            If you are looking for a springer for longer range target then the TX200 would probably be your best choice of the two that you mentioned.

            twotalon

            • Victor Says:

              Yeah, that’s what I figured, but based on what I’ve read, the Gamo CFX is a great starter gun for longer range. I also like the fact that neither of these guns are break-barrel. I’ve never been a fan of break-barrel air-guns.

              Victor

              • twotalon Says:

                I have break barrels, (one is a gas ram), one under lever, one side lever (for springers). Will probably add one more underlever this week. B.B. has been a bad influence on me, and I can see an HW97 in the near future.

                twotalon

    • CJr Says:

      Paul,
      You have asked a very good question. twotalon has done a very good job of answering it. I’d like to add a couple other reasons but they are only speculative. First, I think BB has easier access to a 10m range (probably in his house) than a 25m one . Second, since he’s only looking for the tightest starting pellet grouping so 10m is sufficient for that. Third, he’s probably too lazy to put the scope on until he’s ready to go outside or else the scope he uses doesn’t focus too well at 10m. Personally, I’m glad he tests at 10m because that’s all I can shoot in my situation so his tests have more meaning to me.
      -CJr

    • David Enoch Says:

      Paul,
      I think BB was having to shoot in the house due to his illness. 10 yards is about all he could get in the house.

      David Enoch

  • kevin Says:

    Wow there are a lot of gems in this article that in my opinion are worthy of spotlighting:

    HOLD
    Although some guns need to be rested on the backs of fingers to group best the “standard artillery hold” shrunk the size of the groups with this FWB 124. “The palm was touching the triggerguard, so the rifle was a touch muzzle-heavy, which stabilizes the rifle.”

    ARE THESE PELLETS THE SAME?
    Air Arms Field pellets 8.4 gr are not the same as JSB Exact 8.4 gr. Although made by the same manufacturer, look the similar and weigh the same they perform differently. Beeman FTS pellets performed best in two of my FWB 124′s. Many claim the H & N FTT pellets are the same pellet. They are both made by the same manufacturer, look similar and weigh the same they perform differently (even with the same head size).

    PYRAMYD AIR IS NOW TUNING GUNS
    PA has even gone so far as to contract for a new proprietary 124 piston seal? Interesting. Has anyone found details of the tunes that PA is doing on their website?

    B.B.,

    Once the surgery has been successfully completed I hope you’ll take it easy. Since I’m almost sure this suggestion will fall on deaf ears it’s my hope that Mrs. Gaylord will read this and strap you down (to rest, nothing else).

    kevin

    kevin

  • pcp4me Says:

    BB,

    Again best wishes for your surgery. I am praying for you. I know this will be much easier for you than the pancreas problems were.

  • AlanL Says:

    Two Talon,

    I’m going to venture asking you a question that may be considered sacrilege, but here goes…

    Rather than struggling with an artillery hold or any other kind of manual hold, wouldn’t a truly definitive test of accuracy be to absolutely secure a rifle in a vise (perhaps several vises in different configurations) to render the gun totally immobile and then shoot groups to see how well and where different pellets group at different distances?

    AlanL

    • twotalon Says:

      The gun is still going to vibrate. However, the vibration would be different if clamped down than it would be if simply held in a way that would let it do it’s thing.
      How it would shoot from a vise could be considerably different from how it would shoot under normal conditions. Could be better or worse with any particular pellet.

      twotalon

      • AlanL Says:

        Kevin,

        That’s very interesting. Let’s look into the subtleties a bit more. My question was geared not so much at accuracy as consistency. Since the aimpoint of a handheld gun MUST perforce vary more than that of a gun well held in a vise, it follows that the results (good or bad) must be more CONSISTENT. So, the purpose of such a test is not necessarily accuracy while held in the vise but consistency in the performance of various different pellets, which experiment can be carried to any length (weighed or unweighed, lubricated vs. not, etc.) Then, it is my belief that if a pellet is found that groups excellently (even if not accurately) under such conditions, it should group very well AND ACCURATELY when shot by a shooter holding the gun. Is this premise flawed?

        AlanL

        • twotalon Says:

          There is no way to know, since vibration patterns would be different. And since shooting from a vise is impractical under any situation that I can think of , it would be much better to test it the way you would shoot it in the first place.

          twotalon

          • AlanL Says:

            The problem there is if you shoot like me your groups look like you’ve been peppering away with a shotgun…
            -AlanL

            • twotalon Says:

              I have days like that too. Can’t hit crap.
              Either I’m not too steady, forget to hold the gun right (and consistently), or I get twitchy and flinch the shot.
              Then there are other days when I have my act together. If only my first rimfire had shot as well.

              If you are twitchy on the first shot, and can’t settle down after a few more shots, you might as well quit shooting for the day…or at least a few hours. If you start out good, but eventually start losing it then hang it up for the day.
              You could be flinching and not know it. Shoot reactive targets that clearly show a hit. If you never see the hit then you blinked!!!
              This may sound silly, but try some ear plugs. I know there is not much sound or recoil compared to powder burners, but you would be surprised how much better you can shoot. Recoil seems less, as does noise. Fear or anticipation of the firing cycle is lessened and your twitch may go away.

              twotalon

            • CJr Says:

              AlanL,
              In this case I would go with the pellet that had 6 inch groupings rather than one with 12 inch groupings. Your accuracy would then be improved by 50 %. Hey, I wish mine would!

              Edith, I get a “usr/bin/aspell not found” when I do spell check in IE8.
              -CJr

        • CJr Says:

          AlanL,
          I think it’s been proven that using a vise for a springer destroys consistancy, as well. Otherwise how would that be any different than using a bag, which we know spoils consistency? If it was only an accuracy problem, then, once you found the theoretical impact point you’d just adjust your scope to compensate like you would for any other powerplant, however, we know that to not be the case with springers.

        • Frank B Says:

          AlanL,simply put,clamping in a vice creates problems that don’t otherwise occur with a proper human hold.There is so much going on when a spring gun fires……think of a fine sports car suspension with the parts all welded together for the sake of testing tires! That is a pretty good anology for a springer clamped in a vice to test pellets.It is no different than a firm hold vs. artillery hold…..just a more extreme contrast.

        • kevin Says:

          Alan L,

          I don’t know for certain if your premise is flawed since I don’t own a bench set in concrete with a bolted rest mounted atop to assure no movement so I’ve never tested the theory.

          I suspect your premise is flawed for spring guns. Here’s my theory. Although the felt torque during the firing cycle of a spring gun is similar, the same gun, firing the same pellet doesn’t feel identical to me every time. The gun can jump up sometimes. It can move sideways to the left sometimes and even move to the right sometimes. My theory is that the main cause of these differences is that the spring itself doesn’t return to the same position each time it’s cocked. Minor differences in dieseling could also be held accountable (cardew).

          Whatever the reasons, this difference in torque will not result in consistency/accuracy (I think they’re the same for what we’re talking about) for each shot. I have shot each springer I’ve owned with a tight hold while rested on a front and rear bag and never had one group as well as when it was lightly held and allowed to buck. Same thing with my new .22 browning rimfire. It hates to be held tight. Won’t group.

          I have had good results using a front bag for a rest but I’ve found it’s important to top the bag with something like your palm, thick silk or a thick slick mousepad and then rest the gun atop that. Something that allows the gun to move forward and back without much hindrance. Although I have many good quality rear bags I’ve found that resting the rear of the gun in the V formed by my thumb and index finger of my left hand (I’m a right handed shooter) then placed lightly against my shoulder usually works best.

          kevin

        • AlanL Says:

          Kevin, CJr, TwoTalon,

          Thanks. Everything you have said makes a lot of sense. It is intuitively appealing to clamp a gun for testing but based on everything you guys have said I see that the human hold is the way to go.

          AlanL

          • Matt61 Says:

            I’ve wondered the same about the vice. I think part of the reasoning for not clamping is to allow B.B. to give us a shooter’s impression of the guns. But one exception was when B.B. used the vise for the Air Force Edge. For pcps, it might make sense.

            Matt61

  • pcp4me Says:

    BB,

    ROFLMAO to your response to pyramid air’s new AAD (Automatic Adjustable Diameter) seal for the fwb 124.

    Never mind what that Jim Maccari guy said about the tapered chamber. What the heck does he know any ways? Never mind what BB said about being through with the the quest for higher velocity for this gun. What does he know any ways?

    You remind me of many fishermen I know. Let em get wind of the newest latest $50 self propelled sonar targeting bass lure and they will run out and buy tackle boxes of em! Putting THEM in the same category as the fish! Getting caught!!

    I say if you got a nice shooting gun now enjoy it! If not, sell it!!

    Good luck on the health and the FWB 124 man!!

    Btw….I too am having trouble with the spell checker and fire fox. So don’t blame me for misspelled words. The spell checker won’t check em.

    • Victor Says:

      pcp4me,

      I don’t think that the problem with the spell checker has to do with firefox. I’m having trouble using it under Internet Explorer. I think the problem is on the server-side.

      Victor

  • AlanL Says:

    Edith,

    When you get a chance, you might want to revisit B.B.’s post at:
    http://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/06/what-about-shooting-from-vice.html
    …and change the spelling of “vice” to “vise” throughout, since a search for this interesting topic may fail to bring up this important post.

    AlanL

  • Edith Gaylord Says:

    I just spoke to Tom’s surgeon, and the gallbladder removal is done. It was taken laparoscopically, and Tom will be coming home later today.

    While we knew the surgery was recommended, we didn’t realize how important it had become. They found a bunch of fluid floating around his gallbladder. This has nothing to do with his pancreatic psceudocyst or the drain he has inserted. This is extra fluid they didn’t know existed…or where it might have come from. Also, there was a lot of scar tissue around the gallbladder. No explanation was given about its origin. Lastly, the gallbladder was inflamed. I have 3 images of the inflammation, scar tissue and fluid. I won’t be framing them :-)

    I have prescriptions for pain and nausea. The pain is caused by the surgery, the nausea by the anesthesia. He should feel better by Tuesday.

    Don’t expect Tom to answer any blog questions for a day or so.

    Thank you for your prayers and concern.

    Edith

    • Frank B Says:

      Sounds like lots of prayers have been answered this morning!Thank you for the update!

    • Jim K Says:

      Edith,

      Thanks for the update, and thanks for the TLC you give to Tom.

      In addition to his meds for pain and nausea, please enjoy a pleasant indulgence for yourself. You’ve earned it!

      Jim

    • twotalon Says:

      Edith
      Watch the nausea drugs. I was on one during chemo that did strange things to my head.
      I found that I did not need it on top of the other pills. It did, however, make me sleep real good at night when I only took half a pill. With half a pill it did not mess up my head.
      You will have to see how he responds to it.

      twotalon

    • kevin Says:

      Mrs. Gaylord,

      Greatly appreciate the update. You know us kids worry.

      Have every confidence that by the end of the day you will obtain the explanations for the excess fluid in the gallbladder, origin of the scar tissue on the gallbladder and inflammation of the gallbladder.

      kevin

    • GenghisJan Says:

      Edith,

      Thanks so much for taking the time to keep us updated. Sounds encouraging!

      -Jan

    • Matt61 Says:

      Great news. Keep him quiet and rested. I would agree with TwoTalon on watching any medications that affect cognition. I was on one which I quit; I would put up with almost anything rather than that.

      Matt61

    • BG_Farmer Says:

      Edith,
      Good to hear the procedure went well. Tom was about due for a break in the gallbladder department.

  • Stingray Says:

    Edith,

    Tell Tom to rest and take the whole week off. What is most important is for him to gain back his strength. Our prayers are with you and Tom.

    Cheers,
    Stingray

  • Victor Says:

    B.B.,

    When you say “open sights”, did you use the sights described in part 7 of this series, or did you do your testing with aperture (peep) sights? I find that aperture sights work as well as a scope, at leat for me.

    Victor

    • kevin Says:

      Victor,

      I’m sure B.B. used the open sights described in part 7 that are stock to the FWB 124 to perform this test.

      kevin

    • Brian in Idaho Says:

      Monday, Sept 20, 2010: BB in surgery today, slight to very definite chance that Q&A pointed to BB will not be answered here today……

      Monday, Sept 20, 2010: BB in surgery today, slight to very definite chance that Q&A pointed to BB will not be answered here today……

      Monday, Sept 20, 2010: BB in surgery today, slight to very definite chance that Q&A pointed to BB will not be answered here today……

  • AlanL Says:

    Edith,
    Hallelujah! I’m happy Tom is through this ordeal. I was worried about the procedure. As I mentioned once a while back, when my niece had this done two years ago the ape that butchered her instead sliced through the common duct and brought her to death’s door. Only an air ambulance and the great team at Jackson Memorial in Miami saved her. So I never consider a gall bladder removal routine. I’m just happy Tom is past this, and we all can’t wait to have his ascerbic wit flagellating us on this blog again. :D
    -AlanL

  • Fred PRoNJ Says:

    Edith,

    I personally will rest a lot easier when Tom is home and comfortably resting within the confines of your home. I’m glad the operation went off without any complications.

    F – PRoNJ

  • Matt61 Says:

    Buzz no good. After my great tune by Rich Imhoff, I don’t plan on putting up with that again.

    Kevin, whoa I’m glad I checked yesterday’s comments for the most important thing you’ve ever posted on the blog. I agree absolutely about your recommendation. In the same spirit, I’ve enjoyed the following two quotes:

    “If you can find a why to live for, you can bear with almost any how.” –Friedrich Nietzsche

    “Power goes to those who know what they want.” –Anonymous

    Matt61

    • kevin Says:

      Matt61,

      Were we twins separated at birth? We agree on goals and buzzy springers.

      Gotta confess every time I see a quote by Friedrich Nietzsche I can’t help but think of Kevin Kline in the movie A Fish Called Wanda.

      kevin

  • Mr B. Says:

    Edith,

    Thanks for the updates. Tell Tom that his malingering days are over and it’s time to cut the grass, vacuum the rugs and clean the litter box! LOL

    Bruce

  • Edith Gaylord Says:

    Emailed comments have not been sent to those who are signed up for them. They’re working on this configuration.

    Edith

  • Volvo Says:

    B.B.

    You’re welcome, glad you could use the pellets.

    Hope all is well.

  • kevin Says:

    Mrs. Gaylord & Tom,

    The comments and sentiments directed at both of you today reminded me of the wonderful contribution that Bob Dylan made to The Band in The Last Waltz. The songs lyrics that came to mind are:

    “May God bless and keep you always,
    May your wishes all come true,
    May you always do for others
    And let others do for you.
    May you build a ladder to the stars
    And climb on every rung,
    May you stay forever young,
    Forever young, forever young,
    May you stay forever young.

    May you grow up to be righteous,
    May you grow up to be true,
    May you always know the truth
    And see the lights surrounding you.
    May you always be courageous,
    Stand upright and be strong,
    May you stay forever young,
    Forever young, forever young,
    May you stay forever young.

    May your hands always be busy,
    May your feet always be swift,
    May you have a strong foundation
    When the winds of changes shift.
    May your heart always be joyful,
    May your song always be sung,
    May you stay forever young,
    Forever young, forever young,
    May you stay forever young.”

    May GOD Bless and keep you always.

    kevin

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