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Walther’s new LGU: Part 2

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by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier

Part 1

Walther LGU right
Walther’s LGU underlever is a beautiful new spring rifle.

This report covers:

• Velocity with Crosman Premier lite pellets
• H&N Baracuda Match pellets
• Air Arms Falcon pellets
• Firing behavior
• Cocking effort
• Trigger-pull

Okay, sports fans, today we’ll test the new .177-caliber Walther LGU underlever rifle for velocity. And there are a couple other things we’ll look at.

Velocity with Crosman Premier lite pellets
Getting right to the task, I first shot the rifle twice to warm up the action. Then, I loaded a 7.9-grain Crosman Premier lite pellet and started the clock. The velocity started out in the 870-880 region, but on shot 7 it dropped to 842 f.p.s. The high for this string was 888, and the low was 842 f.p.s. That’s a spread of 46 f.p.s. that I think is due to the newness of the rifle. After it gets broken in I think it will settle down to a spread in the 20s or less.

The average with Premier lites was 872 f.p.s. That means this pellet developed an average muzzle energy of 13.34 foot pounds.

H&N Baracuda Match pellets
H&N Baracuda Match pellets went almost 100 f.p.s. slower, averaging 777 f.p.s from the LGU. You would expect that, given the pellet’s greater weight.

The spread ranged from a low of 770 to a high of 786 f.p.s., so right there the first pellet’s spread was cut by more than half! At the average velocity Baracuda Match pellets produced 14.28 foot-pounds of energy. That’s surprising, because usually a springer is less powerful with heavier pellets. It alerts me to the fact that this rifle might have some differences. The head size of these pellets is 4.50mm.

Air Arms Falcon pellets
The final pellet I tested in the LGU was the Falcon from Air Arms. Because this domed pellets weighs 7.33 grains, I expected it to be faster than the Premier lite that weighs 7.9 grains and the Baracuda Match that weighs 10.65 grains. While they were faster than the Baracudas, they were the same velocity as the Premiers. I also noticed they loaded very easily, which means they are a little small for the LGU’s breech.

Falcons went an average 872 f.p.s. with a spread from 864 to 882 f.p.s. Even though the average was the same as for the Premiers, the spread with Falcons was just 18 f.p.s., compared to 46 f.p.s. for the Premiers. That shows the gun is already starting to settle down. At the average velocity, Falcons produced 12.38 foot-pounds of energy at the muzzle.

Given that Baracudas were the most powerful in the LGU and these Falcons were no faster than the heavier Premiers, I will have to watch this rifle during the next set of tests. The powerplant is not behaving as I expected.

Firing behavior
This test was the first time I really had a chance to feel how the LGU feels when fired. I can feel a small buzz on every shot; and with the Baracudas, the buzz is a little more prominent. It’s one of those things that isn’t objectionable, but it’s there.

Cocking effort
The LGU cocks smoothly without any hesitation in the lever’s movement. But on the scale I did see one place in the lever’s arc where the effort spiked up one pound. On average, the effort is 37 lbs., except for that one spot where it spiked to 38 lbs. I get the feeling the effort will decrease by a couple pounds after break-in.

Trigger-pull
As the rifle came from the box, the 2-stage trigger was set to release at 1 lb., 15.5 oz. (31.5 oz). I liked the length of the first stage, which is long; but knowing that this is an adjustable trigger, I got out the tools and made some adjustments.

As it turned out, the trigger came set to the lightest pull. After I attempted (unsuccessfully) to adjust it lighter, the pull measured 2 lbs., 1 oz. The first-stage travel was also set to the lowest limit. I did adjust it longer, which worked as the instructions said.

I think you’re going to like the trigger right out of the box. There’s just a slight hint of creep in stage 2, but it’s very slight. It might go away after break-in; but if it doesn’t, perhaps a lubrication would do the trick.

Evaluation so far
I still like the LGU at this point. It feels very TX-like, and the velocity is about were it should be. I’m really looking forward to mounting a scope and seeing what this rifle can do at 25 yards. That’s next.

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Tom Gaylord, also known as B.B. Pelletier, provides expert insights to airgunners all over the world on behalf of Pyramyd AIR. He has earned the title The Godfather of Airguns™ for his contributions to the industry, spending many years with AirForce Airguns and starting magazines dedicated to the sport such as Airgun Illustrated.
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143 thoughts on “Walther’s new LGU: Part 2”

  1. I’m really liking this new LGV. Usually spring guns with exceptional good piston seal will get better foot pound energy with heavy pellets. It makes a distinguished sound in firring cycle kinda like the TX200.

  2. Gunfun.

    B.B.’s LGU is looking good so far, if it shoots as good as yours I just might have to put it on my wish list. But for now I have the new HW50S to keep me entertained. Just my luck the forcast is calling for rain. Did you get the extra inserts for the front sight with your gun they are missing or hiding on my gun? Had to put a few rounds through it just for giggles, like it was already dark and raining when I got it home. Cocks with no strange sounds lighter then I thought it would. Love the trigger. I mounted the RWS 3-9×44 AO Night Pro scope that came with my 460 Magnum on it looks good.

    David

  3. BB
    It sounds like you described the .22 cal. model I got to a T. Well except my velocities were lower of course.

    And I kind of hate to say this out loud. But the LGU I got it is giving the TX arun for its money. I even put the Vortek 12 fpe Pro Guide spring and tune kit in it.

    I like that seal that they have on the breech that slides open on the LGU and I like the o-ring that they put on the outside diameter of the barrel where you load the pellet. It will be easy to change if needed. I think that gives the LGU a nice feel when you cock it. And it may just seal better.

    I even like the grain in the LGU better than my other premium springers I have.

    And I know your not shooting yet but my LGU is a shooter. Its got pick the nose up bump to it when you shoot it but you can’t hold it wrong. It hits on the money no matter how I hold it.

    I think you know what I think about the LGU verses the other springers I got. But I’m just not going to say it.

        • RR
          Ha ha I already looked. Nope they don’t make a specific kit for the LGU but maybe one of the kits for another gun they show will fit.

          But seriously the LGU does Not need a Vortek tune kit. I usually have my .177 Marauder sitting by the back door incase some of them pesky starlings show up. I know that gun hits no matter what. Well now this .22 cal. is sitting there right beside it. It hits no matter what also.

      • BB
        I don’t know how your .177 feels when you shoot it but my .22 cal. model is smoooooth. No spring noise, no vibration, no clinking metal sounds, nothing. Just a very slight thump noise.

        And the report is very quiet. I think I can say that it falls right in between the .177 cal. and .25 cal. Marauders I have. It is the quietest spring gun I have now.

        • Gunfun
          I think you may just have two quiet 22 spring guns I a couple days as the titan you are getting is right about where you say your LGU is in the noise and firing cycle category.

          I think you will be very happy with it and I want to know what you think of it when you get it shoot some.

          BD

          • Buldawg
            I can’t wait to see what that bearing mod for the trigger feels like.

            I sure have had a bunch of them kind of guns with them triggers so if it feels like I’m thinking I will be happy. And I do like a lite trigger.

            • Gunfun
              I think you will like it the way it is with the bearing, the first stage may be a little short for you as I know you like a long first stage but the release is very smooth and crisp with no creep or gritty fell at all.

              It has about a 1/8 inch first stage then a very crisp release with very little effort from the first stage to the second and release.

              BD

            • Gunfun
              The FedEx tracking is showing it to be here Friday so I will just have to fill it up and it will be ready as I assume you ship it unfilled.
              It is showing rain from late Friday night till Saturday afternoon so I don’t know if the match will be called off or held on Sunday. I am going to email Paul to find out what the plan is tomorrow.

              BD

              • Buldawg
                Were suppose to get freezing rain starting tomorrow then changinging over to just rain.

                You will probably get the rain Saturday I bet. If I’m remembering right I think you said you are a few days behind what we get here.

                Bummer I want to know what you get with your new setup.

                • Gunfun
                  It is showing rain starting Friday night and lasting thru Saturday afternoon, but got email from club pres. and he said meet at 900 am for matches so I will email him Friday night if it is raining and see what the plan is.

                  I am wanting to shoot my Mrod in the matches real bad.

                  BD

  4. Sounds like a real beauty so far, BB!

    Have you told Edith about your new girl yet? :O
    She might be purty, but I don’t think it sounds like the LGU will be a Safe Queen.

    About the buzz you’re feeling, what does it indicate? Is it stronger now than when you started?

    Also, how many pellets have gone down the barrel at this point? It’s not exact, but it is a good indicator of break-in if you have a hundred or two cycled through. Many take more, some take a LOT more, but it is always nice to have a guesstimate.

    Thanks for your patience with those of us who might not get everything you’re mentioning; I really appreciate everything covered in the comments at LEAST as much as the info covered in the write-up!

          • B.B.
            If I remember your personal LGV is a .22cal. I’m guessing the .177cal you tested was a loaner probably long returned to Pyramyd. It may be that both the LGU and LGV shoot just a little better in .22cal. Will you also try out the LGU in .22cal since you tested the LGV in both calibers? If I get either the LGU or TX I’m going to be looking hard at a .22cal.

            David

      • BB
        That reminds me. I was going to ask if your TX did this.

        For a bout a hundred shots or so when I pushed the safety off It sounded like there is a spring behind it or something. It would make a slight buzz that lasted about a second. It would make that same noise when the gun fired. Now after the hundred shots it doesn’t do it. And the safety always functioned smooth and still does. But I wanted to know if anybody else heard that in their guns.

        And there was no noise from the factory power plant or the Vortek kit it was just the safety making the buzz at first.

    • Qjay,

      The LGU is on loan from Pyramyd AIR. I have not been told that we’re buying it. I could be the type of wife who says, “You already own a TX200, so what’s the sense in owning an LGU?” But I already know there will be a laundry list of comebacks for saying something so absurd 🙂

      Edith

      • Edith,

        I am glad the cat is finally out of the bag. The “Loan” thing is something I’ll have to try telling my wife! I hope it works as well for me! 😉

        Out of curiosity, how often do you try out the airguns BB gets to test? I haven’t seen many places where you weigh in on a particular airgun being reviewed, but I notice you always get a good response to any comments you add about a gun.

        It seems a bit like you prefer powder burners unless you are involved in pest removal around the house.

      • Edith and fellow bloggers,

        when my wife says I already own too many air rifles and why do I need another one, I respond, “for the same reasons you have so much jewelry and are always on the look out for more”. She hasn’t come back to me with a response 🙂

        Tee Hee!

        Fred DPRoNJ

        • Fred,

          You’re barking up the wrong tree 🙂

          Jewelry, clothing and shoes are of no interest to me. In fact, Tom almost has to force me to buy something for myself. I detest shopping. I want for nothing and rarely ask for anything.

          Besides, I don’t complain if he wants another gun. He’s got it pretty darned good — and he knows it!

          Edith

        • Fred,

          I wish I could do the same, but Edith doesn’t like jewelry, clothes, shoes or anything else that is conventional. In fact, only recently has she shown an interest in anything!

          She likes cooking (always has) and wanted a few utensils and implements for the kitchen. For the first time in 33 years there are finally some things she wants, so guess what I’m doing?

          B.B.

      • Edith
        BB has to get this gun if he likes it.

        I’m soooo, soooo glad that I have both my TX and the LGU. They are both sweet guns.

        And I’m going to dare to say it out loud right now. I believe I like the .22 cal. LGU better than the TX right now. And you know that’s a scary statement to make since we all know how nice the TX’s are.

        • GF1,

          I have gone on record previously stating that I believe my LGV to be a better rifle than my TX200. Keep in mind though that all of my springers are still being shot as they came out of the box. No tunes on any of them.

          • G&G
            My TX was still factory stock when I got the LGU and they were comparable to each other as for as how the guns grouped but both guns have a different shot cycle.

            The TX with the lower powered Vortek kit definatly smoothed it out more than it was from the factory.

            The fit and finnish is good on both guns but the sliding breech on the LGU I think is better than the TX. The TX is good but you feel nothing when you close the cocking arm on the TX. The LGU has drag feel to it kind of like a precise piston and seal to a cylinder.

            But the LGU wood has way more character to its grain than the TX. And on the other hand the TX stock is like the stock was a custom made fit just for me. It just falls into place when I hold it.

            So I say both excellent guns just one verses the other have their own distinct plus’s. And really no minuses that I see.

      • My God, I never heard anything like that from a woman. The very idea that a woman could admit a possible laundry list of comebacks boggles me.
        Is it possible you could get rid of the pesky Tom person and come marry me? 🙂

  5. B.B.,

    I would really like to see you try out JSB 8.44 grain pellets in your accuracy trials. At least, that is the best pellet in my LGV. Thanks (especially if you try the JSB’s).

    G&G

  6. I bought a tin of Falcons in .22 for my HW35 originally as i was told they should be very accurate and though they are,they’re just not as accurate as AA Diabolo’s or H&N Fields. And that ‘s the case in all my sub 12 ft/lb .22, springer’s and PCP’s alike. The other thing is that just as the .177’s in tour test is that they have always come out with less muzzle velocity than other pellets i have used, which is to be expected in my AAs410 but i wouldn’t have thought so in my various springer’s and up to 2 ft/lb less in some cases. The one thing i will say is they do produce the smallest spread in FPS in everything i have used them in, and i have yet to find a damaged skirt to date.

    Have a spiffing day everyone.

    TTFN

    Best wishes, Wing Commander Sir Nigel Tetlington-Smythe

    • Sir Nigel,

      I believe it was I who suggested the Falcons. Although I made no guarantees I am sorry they did not work out for you. They are tops in my HW35E and several other airguns. Maybe you will find something they work best in down the road.

      Mark N

      • I wonder what the difference is. Has anyone mic’d the skirts to see if they are thicker? Checked the alloy/hardness? As I recall, someone (BB?) said they had a slightly lower head diameter, and if they are thicker, harder, and smaller, they might take a longer amount of time for the skirts to engage the rifling, which would allow greater pressure loss, leading to that difference in speed noted above and in the article.
        This would be most noticeable in a springer, due to the “all at once” nature of the beast, as opposed to a pumper or a PCP, I would think.

        Then again, what do I know, I just want to try them. 😉

        • LOL – There is a coarse inverse relationship between pellet weight and muzzle velocity. Other than that the only way to determine how a particular pellet will perform in a particular rifle is to test fire some of the pellets.

          There have been models for supersonic bullets in firearms where the shape of the nose and tail, length, and so on, can predict a reasonable BC. Not so for subsonic pellets so far.

          • That inverse relationship was why I asked about it. 😉
            The pellets referenced are /product/air-arms-falcon-177-cal-4-52mm-7-33-grains-domed-500ct?p=714 and BB described them this way:
            “Because this domed pellets weighs 7.33 grains, I expected it to be faster than the Premier lite that weighs 7.9 grains and the Baracuda Match that weighs 10.65 grains. While they were faster than the Baracudas, they were the same velocity as the Premiers. I also noticed they loaded very easily, which means they are a little small for the LGU’s breech…[snip]…these Falcons were no faster than the heavier Premiers…”

            The part that is confusing is why these are sometimes slower than similar weight or even heavier pellets, and why they might have accuracy issues. The reason I wonder if it is the head size or lack of engagement for the rifling is because if that is the case, then the airguns the pellet is most accurate in might actually be a few thousandths narrower in the leade, but I also wonder if the skirts might just engage slower, thereby “wasting” air, since a springer doesn’t keep pushing as it travels down the barrel.

            Testing is definitely important, because it determines WHAT happens, but it does not often determine WHY it happens, and I am one of those darn kids that always asks why. 😉

            Thanks! ~Qjay!

            • Qjay
              The waist diameter of the pellet makes a difference in how much drag the pellet has. Some pellets that both weigh the same will hold their velocity for a longer distance when the other one may start falling of on velocity sooner.

              And there are many other design features that affect a pellets flight characteristics.

              Pellets are tricky little creatures. Once you think you got them figured out they will turn on you on a dime.

            • Qjay, Gunfun1
              I think both of you are right : the shape and thickness of a pellet skirt determines how much fps at muzzle : while shape of pellet and weight determines how far it maintains its velocity.

      • Yes Mark, i believe it was and i thank you for suggesting them. While i didn’t get quite the same success you found with them, i still enjoyed testing them and as i said they are still an accurate pellet. In fact while out in the woods i once used up all my AA Diabollo’s in my AAs410 and just swapped over to Falcon’s, I didn’t even have to re sight the scope to get the same POI and that’s with a 2.5 gr difference between the pelllets. I still have some left and have not given up on them as they will get there chance along side all the usual suspects when i test the next air rifle i refurb, the one after that, and the one after that. Atb

        Sir Nigel

  7. B.B.,
    I notice that once in awhile you’ll do an article about your favorite airguns or your top 10 airguns and why. I have not seem such article in a long while. As Xmas approaches some of us are figuring out which airgun we want or which one is the best value for the money.

  8. So this day, the speed of lite is 888fps (ok bad joke). I really like underlever rifles but my split left bicep gives me grief with nose heavy air rifles. Both the TX200 and China 46U just don’t work well for me, but the Diana 48 weight is back far enough where I can hold on target. How is the balance on this one?

    • Trying to hold a rifle on target has become so difficult for me that I realized yesterday after trying a few offhand shots with the Regal if I’m gonna be competitive i’s gonna have to be with a pistol or benchrest.
      Felt like saying goodbye to part of myself.

      • Pffft. Do snipers shoot off hand? Shooting a rifle off hand is over rated, as far as I’m concerned. Even hunters will look for something to rest against when that big “eyed” buck walks into a clearing. I wouldn’t beat myself up if I were you, Reb.

        Fred DPRoNJ

                  • Edith and BB
                    There was no room to reply below your responses so I posted here.

                    Yes that’s the thing about all this accessories stuff for guns. I bet if we search it there is all kind of shooting props that are made.

                    I have seen them made out of 3 sticks and tied together towards the top and then rest your gun while your standing. They are suppose to be very stable actually.

                    When I was a kid squerrial hunting out in the woods I would rest the gun in the Y of the branch on a tree. Heck sometimes I would grab hold of a tree with my hand and lay the stock of the gun on wrist. That’s actually a very stable artillery style hold.

                    And yes I sure wouldn’t rest the barrel or any other part of spring guns cocking mechanism on a support of whatever type that may be used.

                  • Looking forward to it – I’ll hold off on buying a pair of shooting sticks until then. The primos Pole Cat looks pretty stable – no wobbly ball joint or monopod top (like the trigger stick bipod so many field target shooters use).

              • B.B.

                I have a nice monopod, maybe not as nice as the new UTG, gonna give it a try with the Remington Airgun Targets I just received from Pyramyd today. I have the crow and rabbit string reset version. Not sure if I should chance using them with the 460 Magnum it does shoot under 1000 fps with the 10.34gr JSB pellets but were these targets designed to handle a 20 fpe gun?

                David

                  • B.B.

                    Thanks for the info, I’ll stick the HW50S a see how target holds up. If I tare it up with that rifle I’ll just return the unused one to Pyramyd.
                    Looking forward to the report on the UTG monopod.

                    David

      • Whats up Reb.
        You got to get you one of them bi-pods with extendable legs that you can adjust. I use mine when I stand or when I sit on the ground.

        Once you get one you will love it. I found that sitting on the ground with the bi-pod is best. That way the legs are short and more rigid. Also your closer to the ground and more level with your target if its a ground shot. That way your hold is more true and you don’t have to worry about that angle/degree thing being factored in.

        What I’m trying to say is a bi-pod helps verses unsupported shooting.

        • Gunfun
          I am with you on the bipod as I have a monopod at I can not keep it from swaying as you put it so for me any way two legs are better than one.

          I also see no reason it will not work on most any air rifle as long as there is some part of the stock that is below the cocking linkage it will work.

          BD

          • Buldawg
            I have used my bi-pod on all my air guns I have now with no problems. Standing and sitting. And by far sitting is the most stable.

            And my bi-pod is similar to yours. It has the adjustable legs but where you rest the gun in the yoke mine swivels 360 degrees. And that spot is a fixed v shape with rubber pads in it.

            I’m thinking that the mono-pod that BB has a flat base that will take different attachments. That’s why it may not work on some guns. I don’t know that for a fact. That’s just a guess about the mono-pod.

            • Gunfun
              IT may have a flat base or something like that. The monopod I have I put a 2 inch round flat piece of aluminum from a crash bumper that they use on sport bikes to help protect the bodywork in a wreck on the end of mine as it was just a point to give it a little more support on top of the ground and not let it dig in when you rest the gun on it but it still swayed and it could also be me shaking.

              But I do better with a bipod and the one you saw on my gun caddy was another gift from Loren that he did not use any more and let me have it. I will eventually get one like yours that is u shaped and swivels.

              I would have replied sooner but just got off the phone with Reb and he is in Abilene right now at his Nephews having some testing done at the hospital there. I will text you in a minute and tell you more.

              BD

      • Reb,

        Due to several ailments I have I can’t shoot off-hand with much accuracy if I don’t have a monopod, bipods better but not allowed. As we age we simply lose certain abilities. Certainly nothing to be ashamed of. Most of my shooting now is from a rest (except pistols and light rifles (such as the HW30S). Certainly don’t have remorse. I have come to love benchrest.

        G&G

        • G&G
          I totally like bench rest and bi-pod shooting.

          And I do shoot my liter guns without resting. Some situations the Marauders don’t get rested any kind of way.

          But I will have to say that the HW50s is that go to gun it is lite and just feels small when I hold it.

  9. Just read your 2010 post Re: S&W 78G. Want to have mine repaired and was wondering who Dave in Oregon was and if I could send my 78 to him for repair? Truly miss plinking with this piece as it is good for practice and doesn’t require ear protection just to have some fun shooting cans.
    pmgardner

  11. Walther appears to be making somewhat of a blitz in the spring rifle market. If true, is it because spring guns are more popular than the other powerplants? I would guess so with their ease of maintenance. This one is kind of weird-looking, but I expect the usual Walther quality is there.

    Mike, thanks for your comments about the CZ 75 SP-01. The MSRP I found is about $680. While a goodly amount, that is considerably less than what I paid for my SW 1911. Still, I imagine whatever superiority it has is probably not too significant below the elite competitive level. Parts availability would be a bigger concern. And in that respect you can hardly do better than the Glocks or the Beretta.

    Let’s acknowledge the fine customer service of Leapers as I return my damaged and cloudy UTG scope for a brand new replacement based on their lifetime warranty. This will rejuvenate my B30 which has been languishing.

    Matt61

  12. Gunfun,

    Just a quickle report on the HW50S. Yes the stock screws loosened and also the front sight after about 90 rounds shot. Tightened things up and proceded to shoot a .403″ center to center 10 shot group at 23yds with JSB Match Exact Diabolo 8.44 gr pellets. Falcons shot a .603″ center to center but that was before I tighteded the loose screws. Think I’ll quit while I’m ahead the .403″ group was on the last group shots 91 to 100 through the gun. I’ll do some chrony testing later after I warm up and bring in the dog. She is outside having a good bark at someone or something.

    David

    • David
      Sounds like your getting somewhere. Do you have any of the JSB 10.34 grn pellets. For some reason they shoot faster than other brand pellets of the same weight. Just thought I would mention that.

      And if you shoot a few more hundred through it you will probably have to tighten one more time. Mine seated in pretty good have had to tighten them anymore yet. And did you check to see if the break barrel hinge point needed tightening. If it swings back up free after you cock it and load the pellet it needs tightened. It should stay in place with it cocked and broke open. After I tightened that mine came in real good on accuracy.

      Let me known how it goes.

      • Gunfun,

        I do have a tin of the JSB 10.34gr pellets shot them between the Falcons and the 8.44 JSB pellets and got 4 flyers. I think the loose front sight and stock screws may have something to do with the flyers. The other six grouped well but I didn’t bother to measure because of the flyers. I know my 460 Magnum sure likes those 10.34 JSBs.

        David

        • David
          That’s with open sites I guess. I can’t rember if you had a scope on it. Are you resting the gun when you shoot. Just wondering I don’t think you said.

          And I do believe that your groups will get tighter as you get more time on the gun. I think you will be surprised.

          And yes now I remember you said you shot the 10.34 JSB’s in your 460. I have shot those pellets in slow guns and fast guns with good results. I notice sometimes when I’m shooting a new springer that them flyer type shots usually sound louder and I can smell the detonation. I think that might be happening to you still. Especially since you said the hinge point was tight.

          So I myself think you will be getting some better groups and you will be surprised. I keep saying that don’t I. 🙂

        • Chris
          What made you think it was too tight? The cocking effort?

          The reason I tightened mine was because my groups getting more and more horizontal. Instesd of a nice found group I started getting clover leaf groups then they started turning into the horizontal line.

          I tightened the hinge point screws like I explained above and the groups turned back into the round group with a few shots that tryed to make it clover leafed. But the majority of the groups are nice and round.

          • GF1

            There are some things to watch.
            How hard the barrel is to swing involves more than just the hinge joint. You could have an extremely tight linkage joint too, or a binding cocking shoe if the rifle has one. Possibility of some or all of the above. You can get fooled if you are not careful.

            twotalon

            • TT
              That is good points you make also about tight cocking.

              My HW50s was very easy to cock when I got it. I never measured it but it seriously only felt like about 20 pounds. The barrel was adjusted right at the point of it trying to stay in position after cocking but it would try to fall open when it wasn’t latched. And after I shot it a while instead of the groups trying to get better as it broke in they were trying to get worse. So that’s when I tightened the pivot screw’s.

              I think that is something that is overlooked when breaking in a break barrel spring gun.

              Its amazing how much difference it makes with the guns accuracy if you stay on top of the screw tightness on the stock and action.

              Have you ever had to resight a gun after you took the action out of the stock and put it back in. I have.

          • Gunfun1
            Yes the cocking was hard. but I didn’t mind that… what was killing me was closing the barrel it took me 3 to 4 times to latch it close… you know you thought you were using enough force to lock it and it bounced back off the latch detente and again and again I was like Jesus any harder and ill bend the barrel upwards. I should be able to push the barrel close with ease… but the barrel should be able to stay open at any given angle I push it to.. without falling down by itself..

            • Gunfun1
              I did make sure the barrel didn’t wobble side to side . I loosened the barrel so it feel like all the rest of HW I own. And it did make the cocking less harder. I think I also will get the Vortek kit .

            • Chris,

              That doesn’t sound at all like the gun I just received. Cocking force is definitely lower then my Ruger Air Hawk, breaks open easier and locks up easier. Don’t see any reason to detune my HW50S it’s a 12 fpe gun already and even with only 100 rounds through mine it is smooth with no buzz. If I want to nit pick the stock is somewhat of a disappointment compared to the beautiful stock on my 460 Magnum the checkering is not as etched and the grain is not as nice.

              David

              • David
                I got my HW50 from PA. I love my HW50 .177cal it cocks butter smooth nice shot cycle NO BUZZ NO VIBRATION But little hard recoil if anything. mine is shooting a little hot as they say Beeman Kodiaks 10.65 @ 830fps. so I could give up some fps for less recoil. I also have a 22cal HW50 tuned by Jan Kramer and that is so sweet the difference is like night and day.

                • Chris
                  Wow your .177 HW50s is shooting that fast with that 10.65 grn. pellet.

                  Mine is shooting the 10.34’s at a average of 725 now after being broke in. I always thought mine was quiet and smooth
                  shooting.

                  Is yours older or newer?

                    • Chris
                      I got mine after yours.

                      I wonder if the springs pressure tolerances vary when the springs are made.

                      Maybe that’s why different people have different acting guns when they are the same gun and caliber.

                      I was talking to Buldawg the other day and we noticed that both of our .177 cal. Marauders loaded the same JSB 10.34 pellet’s differently. One gun they fill tight when they load and one gun feels loose.

                      We both have the same time and we both shoot at the same fill pressure’s. And both guns are e equal in accuracy.

                      But the same pellet feels different loading.

                • Chris,

                  OK that explains it. My gun out of the box is shooting right at 12 fpe (800 fps adv. with 8.44 gr JSB pellets) these are the only pellets shot over the chrony for now. Your’s is shooting more like an HW80. I can see wanting to dial your’s back some.

                  David

            • Chris
              Now that I’m thinking about it at one point in time I noticed the latch was getting dry so I put some silicone grease on it.(it was latching easy but it was dry)

              After I greased it became hard to latch. I cleaned the grease off and put some white lithium grease on it and cocked it and latched and unlatched it a few times and its been great ever since.

  13. When I first got my LGU it had a buzz that was driving me mad to the point that I nearly took it back to the shop.
    Its only when I changed the scope out of desperation that it stopped! it turns out it was the scope resonating, could yours be caused by this? Mine is in .177 as well but has a spread of <6fps, yours could still be dieseling.

    • James
      I’m not sure if its the spring or if the shot cycle is cushioned more with the .22 cal. version. I think it takes more pressure to build behind the pellet verses the smaller .177 cal. pellet. Just a thought. You would have to think that affects the shot cycle some way.

      • David
        I just click again to go to PA store and it does show it is under Walther products It is still there…. a few minutes ago I click on to the LGU picture from there I click on more Walther products then click to air rifles and the pistols and pcp and the LGU were only showing not the LGV’s . So I jumped the gun and made a fool of my self ”Sorry Everyone” . but I did ask PA if they price match because their online competitor list the LGV master @ $459, and they said no they do not match price nor they can give any discounts to that gun nor the AA TX 200 bummer. If you goggle the LGV Master $459 it will show who is selling for less.

  17. B.B.,

    Do you have any plans to test the Air Arms HFT 500? I am curious to see if it’s just a S500 as a carbine in a field target stock. And particularly if it shoots better than the S500. It would be nice to find a world beater at a more reasonable price.

    G&G

  20. I wouldn’t worry about reporting on the minor buzz, it’s half the price of the FWB, most HW77/97’s buzz a bit too
    It’s the sticker price of the FWB that causes the complaint
    You spend 20k on a budget car you might not complain if the dash creaks, buy a Bentley and you’ll be taking it back to the shop to get it sorted

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