Benjamin’s Rogue ePCP — a new way of making airguns: Part 2

by B.B. Pelletier

Part 1


Large and in charge. The Benjamin Rogue electronic PCP big bore is a new horizon in airgunning.

Where’s the On switch?
Today, we’ll learn more about the general operating functions of the new Benjamin Rogue big bore air rifle. I think the first question I had was where is the On switch? I learned that there isn’t one. Turning the rifle on is embedded in how you make the gun ready to fire, and it’s handled by the position of the bolt. In fact, the bolt position is a large part of how this gun operates, so let’s look at it now.


This plastic empty-breech indicator comes with the rifle and proves there’s no bullet in the breech.

The bolt is key to the Rogue’s functions
The Rogue bolt does what every bolt does on a bolt-action rifle. It opens to allow loading a single bullet if the rifle is set up for single-loading, or it withdraws to allow the spring-loaded magazine to advance to the next round that will then be pushed into the breech when the bolt goes forward. That much is like every other bolt-action rifle, except that this is the only big bore I know of with the facility for both single-loading and magazine-loading.


The bolt moves along the track as seen here. The lower track is where the bolt operates the firing mechanism and activates the trigger. Notice the large bolt probe, which pushes the bullet into the breech. Also note that the single-shot loading tray is installed in the gun. It appears as a dark black rectangle below the bolt probe.

But the functions of the bolt don’t end there. The Rogue bolt is also one part of the “switch” that activates the electronics that control the gun. Where the bolt is positioned determines if the gun fires or not, and the breech is marked to indicate that. With the bolt pushed down into the short lower track in the receiver, forward is safe and back makes the rifle ready to fire. After the shot, push the bolt forward and the rifle cannot fire again — but the bolt doesn’t work by itself.

Behind the bolt is a lever called the bolt valve lock with the words Disabled and Active underneath. When you can read the word Disabled, the bolt is physically prevented from being pulled back to the Ready to Fire position. In fact, the bolt is locked in position and cannot be moved in any direction. The lever is a mechanical cam that prevents bolt movement, and it has enough resistance that you will not make the rifle Active without deliberate intentions. When the lever is in the Active position, the bolt can be pulled back to the Ready to Fire position.


In this photo, the bolt is in the forward position of the lower track. The bolt valve lock lever is switched to the Disabled position, indicating that the rifle cannot be fired. The bolt is physically blocked from moving with the valve lever lock in this position.


In this photo, the bolt has been pulled back to the rear of the lower track, the valve lock lever has been switched to Active, but the safety is still on (see above the trigger). When the safety is pushed off, the rifle is ready to fire.

Safety
The safety operates independently of the bolt but is also employed when making the rifle safe. It is a familiar mechanical crossbolt safety that most shooters will recognize from past experience with other guns. Push to the right to make safe and to the left to take the safety off. When handling the Rogue, use all safeties and safety measures at all times, not only because the rifle is extremely powerful, but also because it’s electronically controlled and uses mechanical inputs to determine the firing status.

A safe field operating method
Perhaps a safe field carry arrangement would be with a bullet loaded, the bolt forward, the safety on and the bolt valve lock in the Disabled position. When you want to make the rifle ready to fire, swing the bolt valve lock forward to the Active position and pull the bolt back to the Ready to Fire position. Then, take the safety off and fire.

The status display
The status display can be turned on any time by pressing the Mode button once. The display remains on for 30 seconds and then turns off automatically. There’s no manual way to turn off the display. If you’re in bright sunlight and have a difficult time reading the display, pressing the up and down buttons simultaneously turns on the backlight that brightens the display.

The display tells you the status of the rifle. If you overfill the reservoir, for example, the onboard pressure sensor will detect it and give you two error messages that will read:

CRITICAL HALT
VERY HIGH PSI

MANUALLY VENT
THE TANK

It also lets you change the programming that makes the rifle perform differently. In the current model, you have three grain-weights of bullets to select from –100 gr., 145 gr. and 170 gr. Choose the one closest to the actual weight of bullet being used. There’s also a low, medium and high power setting to select. That will have an affect on the number of shots the gun can provide at the fill pressure in the reservoir when the selection is made. The software will not let you choose a performance mode that the rifle cannot deliver. For example, if you have only 1,500 psi in the rifle and indicate that you will be shooting a 170-grain bullet, which is the heaviest choice, and want to get high power, the display will inform you that combination isn’t possible with the air onboard. The messages would read:

CANNOT PRODUCE
SELECTED POWER

PRESSURE TOO LOW
FOR POWER SELECTD

Of course, the status display tells you much more. It also gives you the current reservoir pressure reading, the number of shots that remain (if the gun remains at the current settings) and the battery life. But wait, there’s more!

The Discharge mode holds the valve open for twice the time that the gun would normally use. You can use the Discharge mode to bleed down the tank rapidly, but Crosman also sees it as the number 11 on a rock-band amplifier that only goes to 10. In other words, it’s using all the air available to launch the bullet. Maybe you have a bullet stuck in the barrel or perhaps you want a final coupe de grace shot for your quarry. This is a hunting rifle, after all. At any rate, when the ship hits the sand, put her in the Discharge mode and let fly!

And, finally, there’s the Solenoid Time mode. It doesn’t display the time that the solenoid remains open for shots that are part of the programmed possibilities (weight of bullet and desired power, given the remaining air pressure), but it gives you the ability to control the solenoid time directly. You do that by entering a certain amount of time you desire the valve to remain open (expressed in ten-thousandths of a second). Then, all the other programming is suspended and YOU are in full control of the gun. Experimenters could connect to a carbon fiber tank and develop ideal dwell times for specific bullets, for instance.

The magazine
The 6-shot magazine is an exact replica of a Marauder mag, only larger to support the .357 caliber. First load it, then install it in the action. Just slide the single-shot tray out of the action and replace with a loaded magazine, sliding it in from the left side of the rifle.


A loaded magazine slides into the action exactly like a Marauder mag works. Here, I’ve loaded 6 Nosler 145-grain eXTREME bullets with Ballistic Tips.

I’ll show how to load the magazine in the next report. I’ll also discuss the range of bullets Crosman is providing for the gun and what are your other options. That’s all for today, but I figure we’ll have one more report about the general gun before we head out to the range.

74 thoughts on “Benjamin’s Rogue ePCP — a new way of making airguns: Part 2

  1. This is just so much fun.

    It’s like sitting in a huge room, in the penthouse of a 50 story hi rise, with one wall being steel glass overlooking the city, chandeliers hanging from the ceiling, you know the room is sound proofed, the conference table is finished impeccably with inlays, and each of the fifty chairs surrounding the table are hand tucked leather and ergonomic-ably correct and you’re getting briefed on a product that everyone knows has the potential to change the direction of an industry.

    kevin


    • Kevin,
      So you’ve seen B.B. work a crowd, too? A real master of descriptive delivery. I was reading and thinking, ” Now that’s coooooool.!” The icing is being added.
      Lloyd


      • Lloyd,

        Haven’t seen him work a crowd as many times as you but it is a thing of beauty. I’ll always remember Roanoke for this reason and others.

        Didn’t realize until recently what a historic event it was meeting you there. Thanks.

        Must be nice for you to read a review from someone that actually has a Rogue ePCP in their hands. Seems that most of what I read is pessimistic speculation without the writers having any first hand knowledge about the Rogue.

        kevin


        • Lloyd and Kevin,

          I enjoyed listening to the two of you talking about B.B.’s skill in working a crowd. Isn’t it fitting to see him demonstrate that skill in our electronic media with the electronic Rogue ePCP ? l0l

          If the Rogue ePCP will shoot a 170 grain Keith style hard cast bullet at 1000 fps, this will be the urban deer hunters dream rifle.

          Bruce


  2. Good Morning Mr B.

    I put an 18 inch .22 barrel in the 1377. The only thing I have done inside the gun is trigger work. Polished the trigger and sear mating surfaces and applied a little moly. I also inserted spent .22lr shells in the trigger spring to act as a guide. The trigger is better than before but still not perfect. When I open it up again I will try to lighten it a little more and then see what I can do about opening up the valve. I have also read that the tiny metal transfer port between the airtube and barrel can be replaced with a thin cross section of plastic/rubber tubing. Unfortunately I don’t have a chrony so I don’t know what it is doing. I would ask the squirrels, but they aren’t talking. I need to get a chrony though, so I can tune my PCPs, and post long boring shot strings! 😉 Email sent.




    • Alan

      Just like pictures of vacation or children huh? Not boring when they are yours. 😉

      I am only joking of course. Shot strings posted to illustrate the effect of a change made to the gun are quite instructive, if not spine tingling. I am not a numbers crunching type of person but look forward to see what my guns are really doing.

      I will say that shot strings are infinitely more interesting than seeing pi carried out to the 100,000th decimal place.



    • SED,

      You can bet I will be trying the Discharge mode and reporting on it. I’ll probably try it at max pressure and at 1500 psi, just to see.

      B.B.


  3. BB,

    I love this rifle and your description of it, but have one minor potential edit/question – near the end, you state that the magazine is an exact replica of the Marauder, but the photo shows it to be a mirror image of the Marauder. This one loads into the gun from the left side, where the Marauder loads from the right side. I am curious why they changed that?

    Alan in MI


    • Alan,

      Actually the first Marauder magazine did load from the left side. I have one. They changed it because most smallbore shooters have large sidewheels on their scopes that prevent loading from that side.

      That shouldn’t be a problem with the Rogue.

      B.B.


      • Quite interesting history lesson. The Rogue started with the mag on the right at the SHot Show, but that made the bolt operation awkward, so they moved the mag to the left.
        Lloyd


    • Hypothesis: Bolt handle interference. The Rogue bolt handle is at the front, near the loading port, whereas the Marauder bolt hand is at the rear (literally outsize the back end).

      Though I’ll admit, for me, loading rifle magazines from the right feels more natural; left hand on fore-end stock, butt at shoulder or hip…

      Bottom drop magazines tend to be a mixed view; depends on where the release is (if the release is a button on the right, then using the left hand to hold the magazine makes sense).


  4. BB, Guys on the Yellow are clamoring for a shot string for the Rogue. It would be interesting to see how well the electronic valve controls the velocity as the tank pressure is bled off.

    David Enoch


  5. Cowboy Star Dad,

    I did some research on your Winchester 1902 rifle, and here is a synopsis.

    Winchester made three similar rifles, the models 1900, 1902 and 1904. The model 1900 was only made from 1899 until the middle of 1902 and was replaced when the model 1902 came out. Winchester got a lot of flack from the public because the model 1900 was so small and light that they actually beefed up the 1902, if you can believe that. About 105,000 1900s were made, making it the lowest production gun in the series.

    The 1902 was made in over 600,000 copies, from 1902 until 1930. It was still sold until 1931. The initial price was $5.00 and the highest price was $10.50.

    From 1902 until the end of 1904, the rifle had a blued steel buttplate. In November of 1904 the buttplate was changed to composition and lasted until 1919. From 1902 until 1914 the rifle was only chambered for .22 Short and .22 Long. In 1914 the chambering was increased to add the .22 Extra Long that I don’t know much about. In 1927 the chambering was increased to include .22 Long Rifle.

    In 1919 the buttplate was omitted altogether, which was the same way the model 1900 was sold.

    The model 1904 lasted from 1904 until 1930 also and was made in about 300,000 copies. It was a little larger than the 1902 and existed in several fancy models like a Cadet model that had a full stock with a steel 1894 buttplate for drill purposes.

    The chief problem with these old .22s is the ammo they were forced to use back when they were new. It was both black powder and Lesmoke, which is a mix of black powder and smokeless. Both were very hard on barrels unless they were kept scrupulously clean, which many were not. As a result of both that and aggressive cleaning techniques of the day, you find many of them with barrels that are shot out.

    I lucked out with mine. It was made between 1904 and 1914 and has a near-perfect barrel. And I recently sold a 1904 that had a good barrel, though not without blemishes.

    The value of all of these models is quite low. The 1900 commands the highest price, of course, but a nice one should be less than $400. A nice 1902 might fetch $300 and I sold the 1904 for $150.

    I( hope that helps put your new acquisition into perspective.

    If you are interested in these kind of rifles, there is an excellent book, Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Rifle by Herbert G. Houze.

    B.B.


    • Thanks a lot Tom. Right off the bat I’m able to start narrowing it down because there is no butt plate, so it’s either a 1900 or made after 1919.
      I’m going to start working on it next week. Even if it doesn’t shoot, it will become a valued part of the boys ‘history’.


      • CSD,

        Okay, if it says 1902 on the barrel then it had to be made in 1919, I believe, because all production guns up to that point had buttplates. Be sure there are not two holes in the wood at the butt where a plate may have been. Because sometime in 1919 Winchester dropped the “19” and redesignated the model as the “02”. They ground off the letters EL off the word MODEL and 19 from the 1902 date on the roll stamp, leaving a gap between MOD and 02. In 1920 they made a new roll stamp and the gun was marked MODEL 02 after that. In 1927 is was chambered for the .22 Long Rifle cartridge and all of those rifles were supposed to be marked as Model 02A.

        Several finishing steps and parts hardening steps were omitted in 1919, in an attempt to make the rifle cheaper to manufacture.

        The model 1900 is marked that way, plus the butt is impressed with the Winchester name. But the easiest way to tell the difference is the model 1900 has a normal trigger guard, while the model 1902 in all its variations has one with a long scroll behind the guard for the fingers to grasp.

        I also found that the .22 Extra Long cartridge was slightly more powerful than a Long Rifle cartridge. It comes from the 1880s, when all cartridges were loaded with black powder and it held a little more than a Long Rifle case. It was also made as a smokeless round into the 1930s, but the slight velocity advantage disappeared and since the bullet was larger (fatter by 0.001″) it was dropped. A standard speed Long Rifle cartridge should be okay to fire in a rifle chambered for .22 Extra Long.

        B.B.


  6. Morning Edith,

    Spell checker isn’t working with Google Chrome, but is working with AOL and I was wondering if it’s an issue from your end or from mine.

    Bruce


  7. BB,
    One of your safety descriptions doesn’t seem to read right. You said:

    “A safe field operating method
    Perhaps a safe field carry arrangement would be with a bullet loaded, the bolt forward, the safety on and the bolt valve lock in the Disabled position. When you want to make the rifle ready to fire, swing the bolt valve lock forward to the Active position and pull the bolt back to the Ready to Fire position. Then, take the safety off and fire.”

    The 2nd sentence is my problem. I am assuming you are talking about the bolt valve lock handle. So, I think the position of the bolt lock should be the reverse of what you said.

    The picture above this paragraph shows the lever pointing back with the bolt itself in the firing position (over the words “Ready To Fire”) and the word “Active” visible. I’m assuming that since I can see the word “Active”, the rifle IS Active. Your description says to “swing the bolt valve lock forward…” which would then cover the word Active and then reveal the word “Disabled” making it look like the rifle was safe to handle. Should you be saying “swing the bolt valve lock back to the Active position…”

    Or is my thinking backwards?

    -Chuck


    • Chuck,

      I think my use of the word “foreword” is confusing you. If you consider the tail of the bolt valve lock lever to be the FRONT of the bolt valve lock, then it would have to be swung in the opposite direction. But it is the NOSE of that lever that points to the rifle’s firing status, which is why I said to swing it forward.

      On an M16, the longer portion of the selector switch is the nose and it moves to cover up the letters of the status you are desiring, but on this rifle, the short nose points to what the status is.

      Is that the confusion?

      B.B.


  8. BB,
    Yes, you found the source of my confusion! Maybe that “nose” should have a little arrow or line on it that one would align with the proper setting. But, at any rate, the key is that whatever word is visible indicates the actual status of the rifle, and the current configuration does that very well. Perhaps the owner’s manual directions should state, “swing the bolt-valve lock counter-clockwise until the word Active is visible…”
    -Chuck


    • Chuck,

      You’ll just have to trust me on this. After ten minutes with the rifle you will never look at that lever again. Just like today, after 43 years since I first held an M-16, I don’t need to look at where the selector switch is pointing. I set it by feel and I know positively what I have done.

      The Rogue is even simpler than the M-16 in this respect. The lever isn’t confusing in the least after you’ve played with the rifle a few minutes.

      B.B.


      • I will most definitely trust you on this (plus, I agree with you on the training of the human brain). Now, about that 10 minutes with the Rogue…how much longer will you have yours?
        -Chuck


        • Chuck,

          I told you wrong. The M-16 selector switch operates exactly the same as this one. You push on the long end but it is the shrot end that points to the mode. Many of them are pointed like arrows on the short end, now that I examine it.

          So maybe Crosman will take your suggestion after all.

          B.B.


  9. As long as this rifle doesn’t have a message which says “404 not found”…. Seriously, it looks like great, solid workmanship. Can’t wait for the range report.

    Thanks for the best shots all and keep ’em coming. I should have remembered B.B.s snake shot. Wulfraed, I know what you mean about being a range slug. My dreams of guns are rapidly outrunning the range time I have to shoot them. But I do get a lot of enjoyment out of dry-firing them, and hopefully improving my technique in the process.

    Victor, haven’t read the Lanny Basham biography yet but I’m looking forward and ready for anything. It is odd how gradations exist even at the highest level where the differences must be determined by micro-seconds and millimeters of distance. Clint Fowler won the Nathan Hale trophy for best civilian shooter at Camp Perry two times and shot on international teams with David Tubb, and he told me that Tubb and a couple others were in no danger from him…..

    Duskwight, thanks for the review of the food. I should have guessed bread and soup. I had worked myself up to quite a fit of expectation with borscht from descriptions of the delectable red Russian soup. I’m quite fond of soup categorically. But as soon as I found out it was made of beets, that kind of killed it for me. That is one vegetable I cannot abide. On this same occasion, though, I had goulash for the first time which I thought was outstanding. But I suspect that this is an Eastern European food and not Russian. Too bad about the pirogies not being available. I’ve heard them called Russian hamburgers and thought they looked very portable–very tasty too as I remember. The salted lard cracks me up. The cold weather must have been a motive. I heard about one guy hiking to the North Pole who was taking regular slugs of olive oil straight from the bottle. Actually, salted lard is probably not too far from spam, the ubiquitous American army food for WWII. I might have mentioned that spam has taken hold in Hawaiian cuisine as a result of that conflict. The stuff is actually not that bad in small amounts.

    So, how did the Russian snipers and line soldiers cope with cleaning their weapons of corrosive ammo? That would be a hassle at a shooting range let alone combat. Or did they just change out their barrels all the time?

    Slinging Lead, another fact on the incomparable Rosa Shanina. She reports that she and 11 of her fellow women snipers repelled a charge of 50 screaming enemy with with sniper rifles, then with shovels, grenades, and bayonets and even captured a few. Intense….

    Picture me in a wide open windswept field frightened out of my wits and with blazing eyes focused on my Corsair fighter plane 200 yards away in a line and at least a couple hundred feet above ground as it roared along at 40+ miles per hour. Between the speed and the super-sensitive controls, there is not a lot of room for error. Really, I think that this is great martial arts training. The slightest wrong move and my beautiful blue $300 body gets smashed to a pulp. But while working the controls, I watched the far wingtip move around in what I judged to be an almost textbook standard rate turn and I thought to myself, a man who can exercise minute control at such a distance should have a future on the shooting range…shouldn’t he? 🙂

    Matt61


    • Matt61,

      Back when I competed, there were a large number of civilian national champions who simply would NOT bother competing in ISU matches. Aside from guys from my team, I knew of only a few other competitors who made (or tried to) make the US International Team Tryouts. The common belief among the vast majority of civilians was that they had no hope of ever beating guys from the military, and in particular the Army. Army Marksmanship Training Unit guys were viewed as the equivalent of “professionals”, because of the resources made available to them (of course, they needed this in order to compete against the likes of the Soviet Union, and East Germans). I personally didn’t see it that way, nor did my coaches. From our perspective, we just needed to build up more time and experience.

      On the other hand, the vast majority of civilians were equipped with NRA sanctioned clothes, which allowed them to shoot better than people like me in under certain conditions, like Camp Perry wind. Take away the ultra-supportive, strapped down jackets, ski-boots, etc., and they would have felt naked. Most NRA record holders use the heavy, ultra-supported clothes, even prone shooters. I’ve never tried the heavy jackets, so I can’t say how much of a difference they actually made. I have a very strong suspicion that these jackets made all the difference in the world, especially in 4-position shooting at places like Camp Perry, where the wind will literally blow you onto the next competitors target. US Internationals were never held in open ranges, like Camp Perry, but we had very high winds, and extreme summer heat. NRA, versus ISU, where entirely different leagues. I was always glad to shoot by ISU rules, as this allowed me to feel that my shooting was more genuine, natural, and even practical.

      Victor


      • Of course ISSF clothing has gotten stiffer and more supportive over the years to where, finally, the ISSF authorities have started to cut back on the allowance. It doesn’t look good on TV to have your star shooters walk to the line in little bitty steps like penguins! There is a certain resistance on the part of people who have the clothing.


        • Pete,
          Exactly! I hear that some coaches and officials are asking for stiffer rules instead of stiffer clothes. A buddy tells me of incidents where coaches have to button a shooters pants for them. When I competed, stiff clothes weren’t allowed, and EVERYTHING had to be very loose. A kneeling roll was dropped at the neck, and had to fall out the other end. Every section of material was measured with a gauge for thickness and stiffness. The first time I tried out for a US team, my jacket didn’t pass because of a layer of stiff canvas on the back. I had to cut that piece of material off, and shoot without ANY support. Newer jackets would NOT pass the rules that I knew back then. The same applied to boots and pants, which were only allowed to have rubber patches for non-slip purposes. The kinds of shooting pants that you see today simply didn’t exist. Somewhere along the line, the rules were either changed, or “softened” for a new market of shooting attire.

          My buddy travels with US teams, was a World and Olympic champion, and is now a coach, says that the scores of today really do reflect a difference in clothing allowed. I believe it because I bought one of the newer canvas/leather jackets last year, and find it difficult to believe that it could possibly be legal in international competition. You can’t hardly move in it. It is so stiff that the first time my son tried it on, the first words out of his mouth were “Cheating!”.

          Victor


    • Matt,

      I hate beets too, but I like borstch, in fact you won’t feel beets taste, so don’t waste time and get yourself a borstch, comrade 🙂
      Keep in mind, that there’s a lot of types, Russian and Ukrainian are somewhat 40, add there Polish, Lithuanian and Belorussian types (a good reason to taste them all ;)), and traditionally it is always served with a tablespoon of sour cream to give it smooth and a little bit sour taste (in fact it’s not _just_ sour cream, but a specially fermented cream product, closest analogue is Normandian crème fraîche, ask J-F, maybe Canadian cuisine preserved this).
      Goulach is a Hungarian dish, adopted by many national cuisines, East Slavic, Lithuanian and Russian as well.
      A word for lard. In fact I was not quite correct – it’s rather a sort of bacon, a fatback, hard pig fat salted and seasoned with garlic, black pepper and other herbs. Very tasty, surprisingly healthy, especially when served in thin slices with good black bread. Maybe if you have some Russian or Ukrainian friends (I know there’s a lot of Ukrainians in Canada, not sure about U.S.) you should ask them about “sAlo”.

      Dealing with corrosive ammo was quite simple – good cleaning whenever possible. After all, rifles were not thought to make more than a couple thousand shots (a huge number to think) and if a rifle got broken or worn beyond repair one just received a new one. You must look for original Soviet rifle kit:
      http://www.pyerviy-vzvod.com/Cleaning_kit_for_Mosin_M_91-30_rifle_op_800x600.jpg
      That double-necked metal flask contains alcaline (Щ, “щелочное”) and neutral (H, “нейтральное”) oils to treat rifle. Little cylinder in the bpttom of this shot is muzzle cover to protect crown when cleaning.

      duskwight



      • duskwight,

        You are making me want to blog my 91/30. It’s a 1937 from Tula and they are supposed to have been made quite well. I owned a 1939 from somewhere else that wasn’t as nice as this one. A shame that it has to have the importer’s mark etched into it!

        B.B.


      • Last time I had borstch as far as I know it was served with Sour Cream. It was in a Polish restaurant and it was AWESOME.
        I’m not a big beets fan but marinated in lots of vinegar it’s very good (think of eggs in vinegar but with a little more sweetness).

        J-F


  10. Funny. – When I see this rifle, the closest thing that comes to mind is the one from April Fools. Just a silly thought, but not a real belief or comparison.

    When I really think about this rifle, I think about how so much of the work done during the Strategic Defence Initiative (“Star Wars”), and by NASA, spawned many useful technologies. Game changers tend to do that.

    For that, I applaud Crosman, and visionaries like Lloyd.

    Victor



      • There were many issues with the SDI, but all of that was kept under wraps until the end, and for good reason. I happened to be a beneficiary of SDI. What successes there were from SDI, were really because of JFK, and the space race with the Soviet Union. That race gave a boost to education in America, and produced an explosion of PhD’s, who would later lead the SDI. It’s a real shame that more recent administrations didn’t share the same vision and values for education. THAT was our real competitive edge. Giving that up, at the same time that other nations are following our lead from the past, is a real travesty for America’s future. It’s little different than forfeiting our position as the world leader.


  11. I want to thank my fellow blog members for their prayers and concern.Unlike many of my fellow Alabama citizens,I was spared property damage and loss of life.My power is now restored and
    I no longer have to spend my nights anticipating looters while caring for less capable neighbors.
    I really missed you guys,and am glad to be back. Frank B



      • Like Dorothy says”There’s no place like home!”,I’m very glad to be here.I don’t as of yet have a phone with internet.However,a neighbor from the many whose devices I kept charged with my 5 car batteries and 3 voltage inverters graciously agreed to let me get “online”.My first stop after figuring
        the phone out was not my email……it was here where my friends are found.I was very dissapointed
        when the phone blocked my access!! Aparently she wasn’t the original owner and there was a content filter blocking the word gun???! WHAT a letdown.That filter was keeping me from some of the nicest folks I know.



      • All is fine now…….I wouldn’t dare complain,considering the great toll the tornado’s took.I can’t thank you enough for your help Kevin.You are high up my list! Soon I’ll send pictures of the stock that I did by oil lamp light.Your “student” did pretty good….IMHO



    • Frank,

      It’s good you’re back and OK, I also hope that none of your friends and relatives got hurt.
      Is that sort of things common in your part of country? I’ve heard there are areas where tornados are quite a common sight.
      But looters… heh… They are like hyenas wearing clothes, so I think they must be treated accordingly. Here in case of natural disasters they are still rare (luckily) – since the times of war looters are sort of out of law. I don’t understand such people. I hope you had something in 12 gauge with you do make a meeting so anticipated even more joyful 😉

      duskwight


      • Today’s newspaper had an article on the looters. Hard to believe there are such brazen, unscrupulous bottom feeders. The 12gauge remedy is a good one. I wouldn’t be so much afraid of the law except many lawyers are sub-bottom feeders.
        -Chuck


  12. A small bore Rogue in say .25 would rock! Think about shot count! I am still not sure about an electronic gun though. It would have to prove its reliability first.


    • Ton,

      Without the electronic controls, it isn’t a Rogue. No mechanical valve can hope to get the same efficiency of air as the Rogue valve.

      B.B.


  13. Off-topic here but I would like some opinions from you guys that have .22 LR experience. My buddy Joe in NC says he may be able to get his hands on a real nice Krico. Anyone have any knowledge of this make? He says its a high end bolt-action rifle and he’ll try to get the owner to let him try it out. I’ll do my research here on the net but was wondering if anyone here has knowledge of this make. I have no idea what model it is.

    Fred PRoNJ



  14. While praising the gun’s power with awe and respects, I cannot help but to worry about the very same feature.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy7fZtRh84Q

    At about 7:15, the tester showed 2 pieces of thick wooden boards which were almost shot thorough.
    What kind of game will be suitable for this gun?
    No offense, and I know all airguns can be dangerous……but…do you think this gun can potentially wound a human really bad?



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