2016 SHOT Show: Day 2

by Tom Gaylord

Writing as B.B. Pelletier

Shot Show Media Day
Shot Show Day 1
Shot Show Day 3

This report covers:

  • Back on the floor
  • Ataman
  • Leapers
  • New scope
  • Folded prism
  • American-made scopes
  • New premium mounts
  • Sig Sauer
  • Umarex USA
  • More to come

Back on the floor

We’re back on the floor of the 2016 SHOT Show today. The next booth I’m stopping at is Air Venturi. The first guns were from a new line that Air Venturi will be importing from Russia.

Ataman

I saw several Ataman rifles. Tyler Patner, who you all should know from his several guest blogs, showed me the rifle he feels is going to be the most desirable. It’s a tactical carbine called the M2 and features an extendable buttstock on a wood-stocked rifle. He says it fits just about everybody, so naturally I tried it. He’s right about the fit.

Ataman carbine

Tyler Patner holds the new Ataman M2 tactical carbine that he says will be the one shooters will want.

Tyler and company president, Val Gamerman, both told me they are very pleased with the accuracy of the Ataman line. The triggers seem very good and in general they seem to hold up against other European PCPs. At the moment only samples are available, but the rifles are in production and regular shipments should begin soon.

Ataman guns

The bullpup (bottom) comes in both .22 and .25, as well as .357! The M2R “carbine” above comes in those calibers, plus .177. All are very powerful.

Back to Crosman

Back to the Crosman booth for one last look. They’ve upgraded their 2100 to 1000 f.p.s. with lightweight alloy pellets. This is a special lower-priced version of the 2100 Classic.

Crosman pump

This version of the Crosman 2100 gets up to 1000 f.p.s. with alloy pellets.

Leapers

I spent an hour at the Leapers/UTG booth. Owners David and Tina Ding were proud to show me their new line of airgun products. As most of you know, Leapers dominates the U.S. market for value-priced scopes and optics. This coming year will be no exception to that!

New scope

Otho Henderson — this is for you. David showed me a new and upgraded version of their 2-16X44 scope. This one has a very fine reticle with an illuminated cross at the center. It is so fine that the line probable bisect a quarter minute of angle. A varmint scope or long-range target scope for sure!

Leapers target scope

Leapers owner David Ding looks through their new 2-16 target scope.

I though that was wonderful until he showed me another similar scope that had just an illuminated dot at the center of the crosshairs! It was a quarter-minute, too. I WANT one! This kind of scope is perfect for those 200-500-yard shots at bulls or varmints.

Folded prism

Next I saw a dot sight with 4 power magnification. Then optics are folded prism, like binoculars, and they are sharp and clear. Each sight has a range of different reticles, so you can choose, based on what you’re shooting. The beauty of this scope is its size. It’s half the length of a tiny Bugbuster scope! I think they are going to sell a lot of these!

folded prism

Leapers folded-prism technology makes for a short scope.

American-made scopes

The last item I saw was the new scope they will be manufacturing in Livonia, Michigan. Yes — even the lenses will be ground in their new clean-room plant. They will control everything from start to finish, so quality will increase without impacting the cost.

Leapers Amnerican

The 1-8X scope will be the first made entirely in the U.S. This is the new package. It’s distinctive to stand apart from all other scopes.

New premium mounts

Leapers is building a new line of 30mm and one-inch scopes mounts. They are so precisely machines that no lining inside the ring is required. They are build for both maximum concentricity and parallelism when using 2-piece mounts.

Leapers POI mounts

New premium scope mounts will be more precise.

Sig Sauer

This year Sig had their act together in the airgun section of the booth. Ed Schultz and Dani Navucus both walked me through the products and airguns they are offering this year, and Sig’s representative, Shannon Jackson, assured me the guns would be waiting for me when I returned to Texas.

Sig is concentrating on just CO2 guns for 2016, and we will look at both their long guns and their pistols in this blog. I guessed the retail of one pistol I was shown as $200 and was startled to learn it was less than half that much. Ed and Dani have made a positive impact at Sig and I expect to see good things from now on.

Sig MP-X

Sig MP-X guns are sub-guns and the MP-C guns are carbines that are longer. Semiautomatic and CO2, only. These are going to go great with some Sig action targets I already have.

Inside the Sig magazine there is a continuous belt of chambers — 30 in all. As the gun fires (semiautomatically only) these chambered advance for the next pellet. Ed told me people are shooting through the entire 30 shots in around 3 seconds.

Sig mag belt

This linked belt of 30 chambers feeds the Sig long guns. It’s inside a racetrack channel.

Umarex USA

At the Umarex USA booth I saw some new technologies that astounded me. One was a vibration reducer, called Stop Shox, in a new breakbarrel called the Parrus. The rifle is a Terrus with improved power and the recoil reduction unit.

Stop Shox

The Stop Shox is a spring-loaded shock absorber that reduces spring gun recoil in both directions.

More to come

There is so much more to tell you about the show! I have more pictures than ever before and there have already been more new technologies and airguns in the first two days of the show, that There have to be another 2 or 3 reports.

71 thoughts on “2016 SHOT Show: Day 2

  1. I think those Ataman guns are going to be contenders.
    Crosman is to be commended for paying enough attention to detail to wring 1000fps outta the 2100! I think they’re listening and maybe even learning from our conversations.
    I gotta find out about that pumper! Makes me wonder if I could get that outta my Airmaster with some of them trick pellets?


    • Reb,

      IMHO Crosman needs to build a powerful pumper on the Discovery or the new Maximus frame. A 20+ FPE pumper that will hold 1″ groups at 50 yards and built to last a lifetime of use would get my attention.

      Crosman is more interested in the big box stores, hence the cheaper Discovery and the hopped up 2100.

      As for the Ataman line, I have seen their price tags. They had better be real good because their are some serious contenders in that range.



      • RidgeRunner

        I totally agree. If Crosman would build a quality pumper with a high end barrel. I would be in line for one. One inch at 50 yards should be easy with a good barrel and some quality control. Especially in .25 cal. .177 and .22 should also be close to one inch at 50 yards.

        I think the crosman pellets and barrels are matched to be stable at moderate distances. With an optional barrel with a faster twist to stabilize longer non- diabolo pellets for long range would be great. Even if the barrel had a high cost it would be a good after market option.

        With a good simple solid pumper at a good price they could make a lot on aftermarket mods upgrades. Look at the crosman 1377 pistol and all the after market stuff for them. I have easily added double the original cost of my pistol with upgrades over the years.

        Don


        • The 1377 pumps arm is too small for my hands in the form of irritating old hand injuries but the 2100 feels fine, they could easily start a Sheridan line on this platform with some of the afforementioned mentioned recommendations.
          My personal favorite was the .22 & .25 calibers!
          🙂


          • Reb

            The Benjamin 392 kind of fills that nitch. I am thinking of something along the lines of the discovery converted to a pumper. It would be good to keep the Sheridan line alive. Maybe one in .20. For my thinking e a modest priced field target quality pumper should be easier to make than a Springer.

            I haven’t heard how your dry ice venture went. It sounds like a economical way to go.

            Don


        • Don,

          There are a bunch of after market for the M-rod, including higher power valves and tighter twist barrels for those who want to move on to cast bullets.

          As far as a pumper goes, you will likely be limited to .25 and below. But hey, what do I know. Hatsan just brought out that .30 sproinger.


        • the parts are out there you just have to build it yourself…

          MK177 pump tube with 2260 end cap striker and some work = Mk1322 800 fps in 20 pumps 22″ tuned Crosman barrel mostly .5 at 30 yards…and I think better is doable with the Crosman barrel.

          The Daisy 953 barrel will fit in the 2100b I just did it there is just enough gap to put an o-ring between the breech and barrel to seal the bolt… I imagine you could also use an 753/853 L.W. barrel… My 853 is actually a Jan 1985 U.S. Shooting Team 953(Basically same as a single shot 853) so I do not know if the modern 753 853 barrels are turned down the same as the modern 953 that has a milled flat (D shaped almost) on the turned down Knurled portion…

          Disco/1760 barrels can be made to fit… MK177 and M4177 barrels are near plug and play but a bit short…


    • The only way is that new 2100 is going to approach a thousand fps is with a bigger valve which means of different pump arm geometry ,too. I don’t see how they can sell it for less with those needed changes.

      I’m with Ridge Runner. I’d rather see a gun with a quality barrel and pump arm on the discovery platform rather than trying to retool a platform like the Crosman 2100 that was already at its limits. That’s what would make me part with my hard-earned shekels



        • All that and enlarge piston diameter to drastically increase swept volume.
          I’ve never tried a Marauder trigger but I kept hearing so much I looked at it pretty good and I’m in. I’m just glad they’re not still tuning the velocity of this platform anymore! I’m getting 777 with 7.9 in my sealed Airmaster 77 with 14 pumps and could easily put in as many as 30 because it pumps very easily and feels so rigid.
          I think it’s time for them to bring back the 2200 magnum! They could start a Sheridan line with it, maybe even a commemorative .20 cal version and boost the caliber before it becomes extinct.


      • I think they probably went back to the old overpumping instructions and sealed the breech because the guns are pretty rugged.
        I’ll probably get one if they’re not too outrageous.


      • Can’t tell from the photo of the new 2100 if they’ve gone to a plastic receiver. I hope not. I still have my Remington version (Airmaster 77), and it’s a great air rifle. If Daisy went back to a metal receiver on their 880, I’d get one.


      • A .3″ longer nose smaller intake poppet some porting and shorter piston will get you there… with alloy maybe 850+ fps with 7.9g… pump stroke falls to about 4.7″ instead of 5″

        My 2100 is at 750 fps with 14.3 in 17 pumps as a 13xx. with 22″ barrel…


  2. I was gonna say something about playing with the 1077 platform but it looks like Sig beat em to it.
    The only negative about this one I got for my nephew is that it is very cold natured. The trigger feels good to me and accuracy is superb.


  3. BB,

    I am so glad to hear someone is finally going to make a scope with fine reticles in the budget conscious price range. Most of my scopes are UTG. For the money they are great scopes, but I have never really liked the telephone pole thick reticles. I am with Otho. I grew up shooting at groundhogs at 500+ yards. You need super fine reticles for that.

    That dot sight has my attention. If it has a useful parallax range from 10 to 50 yards and can withstand a magnum sproinger, it could be a big hit in the airgun world. I strongly suspect though it is designed primarily for the Mattelomatic crowd. Depending on it’s parallax, that 1-8 could be real sweet also.

    I have been hearing about the Parrus and also of some of the new technology. I am really looking forward to hearing about these and other new stuff in more detail in the near future. Don’t wait too long, I will likely be in the market soon. 😉


  4. Short on time,…but WOW! The Ataman line looks real nice and kind of the direction that I would like to go on a 1st PCP,…at least for looks anyways,…plus the functionality of the butt stock. Wood,…nice touch.


    • Chris,

      Bring a very thick wallet.

      In all seriousness, my recommendation for a first PCP would be the Maximus or Discovery in .22. Or since you have been shooting some really nice sproingers, go with a synthetic stock Gen 2 Marauder in .22. Those three PCPs are easily fed air with a quality hand pump and their performance is every bit as good as far more expensive PCPs on the market, most especially the Marauder.

      When you jump into the Ataman, Daystate, FX, etc. price range of PCPs, you are also looking at buying tanks, fittings, compressors, etc. Bring a real fat wallet.

      Back to the hand pump. Do not scrimp. Hill, FX or maybe G6. Forget the Crosman/AirForce.



      • There may be a Maximus in my bear future as my first PCP. I’d have to get the hand pump too. No worries there, as that’s how I keep the tires pumped up on three cars. And, 150 pumps per tire isn’t unusual. If I can survive that, I should be able to pump up a PCP air rifle.


        • Birdmove,

          As I recommended to Chris, I would spend a little extra and get a better pump such as the G6 or the Hill. I use a Hill exclusively to fill my two PCPs. I have an AirForce pump that I either need to rebuild or toss out. The Crosman and the AirForce pumps are identical pumps, just different labels.


        • Imagine pumping a standard bicycle pump up to 200 psi and that’s about the range most PCP’s are working well and B.B.’s video shows the tricks it takes to get to the higher levels of compression.



    • Chris,

      Another little blip about hand pumps. Even if you have all the other stuff to feed air to your PCPs, a good hand pump is still nice to have for “emergencies”.


      • Chris and Birdmove,

        RidgeRunners advice on pumps is spot on. My introduction to the darkside was a .22 1st generation M-rod and Crosman hand pump. The first pump gave out a month before the warranty expired, so I got a replacement for free. The second one quit one month after the warranty expired, so I looked at other options. Ended up getting the FX 3 stage and still have it five years on, no problems. I have never used a Hill, but from what I have read they are at least equal, probably a little better than FX, plus you get the air filtration.

        Interestingly enough, about a month after I got the FX pump was when I first heard about the Shoebox compressor. It was just being launched and at that time you had to get your name on a waiting list to get one, but the price was too good to pass up. It was either $400 or $450, don’t recall exactly. But to be fair it is not as nice as the current Freedom 8 model, but it works and is reliable as long as you do the recommended maintenance. Since then I have gotten a couple HP bottles and several more PCP’s, so BE WARNED! Once you go down the dark path …………………..

        Just my 2 pennies, David H.



      • RR,

        Did just that. Saved to favorites the other day when you posted the link. I will check out more. I would like to see the Galahad full size. Longer barrels are good for PCP’s, huh? Nice features on the carbine version though.

        As for wallet, not thick by any means,…and what’s in there, I part with hard. I had no idea, (still don’t), what the Atamans cost,…I just liked the looks and some of the features. Today was the first I heard of that brand.

        If I get a hand pump….it will be the best, but really looking at Shoebox or Omega. If I get a PCP, it will most likely be just one. So I will take my time, ask lot’s of questions and do my homework.

        I did look at the FX line awhile back. Not too far out of reach if that gives you any idea. I like looks, curves, wood, functionality, adaptability, tune ability. That said, the AF Condors, Talons and Escape would also fit the bill,… though many opposites exist. AA has the looks dept. down real well. 510 style.

        The M-rod may just be it. Proven, tune-able, tact. options which are more for custom fit, rather than any looks effect.

        Thanks,…..good advice,…..Chris


        • Chris,

          Another plus with the M-rod is it is so customizable. There are a plethora of after market parts for it, including some very nice stocks that will let you dress it up as nice as any European air rifle. If you put a Lothar Walther barrel on it, it will shoot with the absolute best of them. You can even convert the .25 version to .30.

          Perhaps the only reason I personally have not yet purchased the M-rod is because to make it like I want it, I will end up dropping just about as much in it as one of the Europeans. I really think Crosman is missing the boat by not offering a deluxe M-rod with a LW barrel and a nicely shaped walnut stock.

          If you do seriously consider one of the Europeans, be sure to take a good look at BSA and Daystate also. Now if you think you might want to stick with “Made In USA”, look up Rapid Air Weapons.



  5. BB,

    I feel certain that you will be doing a blog on the Umarex Throttle in the near future. I hope you will also be looking at the Beeman double barrel. I am curious about how well that works.


    • RR,

      I saw the Beeman double barrel again this year, so they haven’t dropped it. But I haven’t seen it for sale in the U.S. yet. This year they showed one with a wood stock, so it must be in production.

      I’m going to try to track one down.

      B.B.



  6. B.B.

    Are those Leapers scopes wire or etched reticles? How can they develop new scope rings without you doing the pre-production testing?
    Is the Stop Shox added to the rear of the receiver? Where does it fit?
    Any word on the rumours of the LGV being cancelled?
    Have fun,
    -Y




  7. I’m quickly becoming convinced that this years SHOT Show may very well be the best so far for airgunners. Lots of new, relevant products.

    I continue to be greatly impressed by Leapers. In the far left of the photo it appears that they have a very low mount in their new line of scope mounts. Their petite 1-8x scope appears to have side parallax adjustment and will now be made in the new Leapers plant in America!! Can’t wait to read a review on this one. Could this be the next Blue Ribbon SS2?

    kevin


  8. B.B.
       Some more experiments: I put a rifled barrel in a Crosman 760  (part #MK177-010, made for M4-177) It’s a drop in but partial disassembly required. (Buy 760B125 support also cause they break easily.) I wanted to compare to standard 760 smoothbore. Both guns made in late 2015; velocities similar. Here are results with RWS Superpoints. Other pellets were similar:
      AT 5 meters: 
         Smoothbore: 5 pumps  .563;  10  pumps .563 ctc. 
       Rifled:  5 pumps .438; 10 pumps .813.  
      AT 10 meters: 
       Smoothbore: 5 pumps  1.1875;  10 pumps 1.375.
       Rifled: 5 pumps  .688; 10 pumps .875
       And then Umarex BB’s gaged 4.42 mm in smoothbore with 10 pumps: 5 meters .375; 10 meters 1.063
       Thus at 5 and 10 meters selected BB’s were best in the smoothbore. At 5 meters pellets in rifled barrel  barely beat out smoothbore but at 10 meters rifled barrel was clearly better.
        I’m sure all groups can be tightened but I think trend is clear.  The M4-177 barrel is intended for both pellets and BB’s but I didn’t shoot any BB’s. I wish I had a barrel designed for pellets only to test in the 760. 
       Now I know why Crosman nakes the 760 a smoothbore. With pellets it doesn’t make much difference until  you’re past 10 meters and with selected BB’s it shoots very well.
    Fido3030
       


    • I had a Daisy Model 35 smooth bore multi pump, and, at 10 yards, it’s accuracy wasn’t too far from a rifled barrel. Any farther, and it lost ground fast. BB’s? Forget it.


      • Birdmove
        I never had one of those. Maybe try it with Umarex BB’s, gaged to the same size if possible. Or try Black Diamond or other BB’s with a little oil wiped on each BB. I’d be interested in the results. They shoot very well in the 760 and Daisy 840 smoothbore. Copperheads didn’t do as well.
        Fido3030


        • The Daisy Model 35 is gone. The first one, while it was accurate enough with pellets, and a very handy little shooter, broke after less than a year. Daisy had me return it and sent me another one. That one couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn, and also quit working shortly after I got it. That’s enough of that. I have nine or ten Crosman air guns, some up to 9 years old, and they just keep sending pellets down range every time I pull the trigger. I did have an old Daisy 747 pistol that’s been a good one.



            • Hope this doesn’t end up replacing the 2100B with metal receiver. I do have one plastic multi-pumper, and that is my Model 66. So far, so good with that one. It IS accurate, and the trigger happens to be pretty sweet. But, I hate the trend to switch to all plastic air guns. May the Benjamin 397 and 392 live long and prosper!!


    • Fido3030,

      Nice testing. While we are talking testing, the 499 got 1″ and 7/8″ groups with 8 of 10 shots at 41′. That is without lubed bb’s or sorting. 3″ low from point of aim though. Windage was 1/4″ or less though. I need to do that again with lubed bb’s. GF1 asked, so I tried. He is scared to go the bb route,….I think? 😉

      Glad to see you backed it up a few. Round nose pellets are better at longer distances, so to me,….it would seem to me that they would do better at shorter distances as well,…..they just may not cut as clean as hole though.

      Nothing new to report on clean cutting target material for bb’s. Plastic seems to be the direction I will be taking though.

      Thanks again,….Chris


      • Chris USA
        You might be right about the bb gun stuff.

        The other Dark Side. Did I just hear a bb fly by when I said that! 😉

        And I have been getting haunted by even another part of the Dark Side. The big bore Dark Side. Hmm what am I to do?

        Stay “tuned”. Haha and you shall see what one pulls me in first. A person can only resist so long you know. 😉


        • GF1,

          Go BOTH ways,….you can plink with the 499, while the PCP tank is getting pumped! I got some tune tips do’s and don’ts on the 499. 😉 Once you get inside a 499,…and I am sure you would,…I am sure some things will come to mind,….at least a custom piston/seal,….or 2. 😉


          • Chris USA
            Already got the pcp fill thing covered.

            Got two nice German springers and one nice English springer if you know what I mean to keep me occupied while the pcp’s are filling.

            And truthfully I would rather have a airsoft gun than a bb gun. They are actually pretty accurate. Especially at the distances you shoot your bb guns at. And you can also use biodegradable air soft balls outside rather than worrying about catching the steel bb’s from a bb gun.

            So another Dark Side. Airsoft guns. I can see myself getting a nice scoped sniper air soft gun again before I got a bb gun. Maybe you should give air soft a try. They can be accurate if you don’t try to get crazy with the distances you shoot at. And they can be modded too. Have you thought about or looked at any of them?



              • Chris USA
                At one time in the basement at my other house we had a pistol air soft range set up in the basement.

                Had a old blanket hung from the ceiling up against a wall. It kind of angled out from the wall at the bottom about a foot. Then we taped a couple pieces of string to some note book paper and hung them at different distances from where we was shooting and at different heights from the ceiling. It was a nice little fast shot range. My daughters and wife use to shoot down there with me. Was pretty fun. Just had a lot of air soft balls to clean up was the only thing that was a drag about it. But the fun was worth it.



        • Reb,

          Not “yet”,….where would I get some of that? Balloons? Interested in your dart experiment. Catch me this weekend. Clear sheet protectors are the next try on clean bb punches. Out’a here for now. Up early.

          Chris


  9. B.B., all this is so SWEET! I’m like a kid in a candy store! I can’t wait everyday to look at the blog to see what’s next from the Shot Show. I agree with others, this seems like the best yet!
    I like the idea of the Crosman 2100 going 1,000 fps, but as someone above hinted, it’s probably just to brag about the 1k fps mark in the big box stores. Still I’m excited about it just the same.
    As for the Sig carbines, I really can’t wait for your blog about it and see how it wrings out. If I did the math right, 30 shots in 3 seconds is 600 rounds per minute! The Umarex EBOS is just 500 RPM! Nice. The only think I find strange about this gun is how it on PA’s site the 487 FPS velocity (avg.) they got with a lite 5.25 grain pellet is a lot lower than the 750 fps claim.
    Can’t wait to see tomorrow’s blog! Thank You B.B.
    Doc




  10. So, I take it Ataman is the Russian line? I wonder how that got in the door with the sanctions that have tragically ended access to the IZH line. Perhaps the IZH sanctions targeted the Kalashnikov company that makes IZH.

    That is one scary-looking Crosman rep.

    I see I completely missed the boat on predicting improvements in optics. And that is pretty egregious since optics have been the main growth area for shooting more than the guns themselves. Well, I wouldn’t have predicted correctly anyway. Nice to see the red dot scope with magnifier. That seems like a natural. Before, I believe the only way to get this was to buy a separate unit for magnifying the red dot that had to be swung out of the way when necessary. That’s interesting about the lighted dot in the cross hairs. Why would one want this for long range shooting? It seems to reproduce the precision problems of fiber optic sights. I’m in something of a dilemma over one my Leaper’s scopes. I got one of the last models that required awkward adjustments to the sighting turrets by means of an Allen wrench. I would love to exchange this for an upgraded model, but the optics on my scope are too good to discard.

    And I see that a belt fed mechanism has penetrated to airguns as well. I’m not so sure about that vibration and recoil reducing unit. I wonder if it has significant benefit beyond the added weight. Heh heh. This thing cries out for a test.

    Matt61



  11. The Crosman 2100 has beautiful, classic lines. A co2 gun is my preference, though. Do you know of a co2 rifle (pellet or BB) that was manufactured with the look of the 2100?
    Thanks,
    O.N.


    • O.N.,

      Welcome to the blog.

      I don’t think there are any guns that look like the 2100 but use CO2. The 2100 is a multi-pump and looks like it does because of the pump arm. I can’t think of any CO2 guns that look like it.

      B.B.


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