Gamo’s Urban precharged air rifle: Part 1

by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier

Gamo Urban
Gamo Urban.

This report covers:

  • The Urban
  • Magazine
  • Trigger
  • Silencer
  • Overall description
  • Magazine removal
  • Loading
  • Evaluation

Today I begin looking at another price-point PCP (PPPCP) that hit the market this year. Like the Umarex Gauntlet, the Gamo Urban is packed with features and set to sell at just under $300. It does have some differences from the Gauntlet, though, and we will look at them in today’s report.

The Urban

The Gamo Urban I’m testing is a bolt-action .22-caliber 10-shot repeating air rifle. It fills to 232 bar, which is 3,365 psi. That’s important to know because the Urban will be difficult to fill all the way with a hand pump. However, you may not have to fill it that full. I will address that when I test velocity. If you watch the video on the Pyramyd website, you will see why I say that.

The Urban has no regulator, so Gamo has opted to control the velocity with the air valve. That is a more reliable way to do it, because there is one less mechanical thing to go wrong.

Magazine

The magazine does not extend above the receiver. That means you can use a one-piece ring mount that so many shooters seem to prefer.

The Urban does not come with a single shot adaptor. The way the receiver is made it might not be convenient to load that way.

Filling is via a probe, which is a bother. I wish manufacturers would realize how convenient the Foster quick disconnect is, both to use and also for standardization. To access the fill port pull off the plastic sleeve from around the pressure gauge.

The Urban I’m testing weighs 7 lbs., exactly. I see the specs say 6.7 lbs. but I weighed mine on a balance beam scale and got 7 on the nose. That makes it reasonably light.

According to the manual the cheekpiece is supposed to adjust up and down. But there are no directions in the manual for how this is done, and I see no way of doing it.

The safety is not automatic — a feature for which I must applaud Gamo. The shooter is responsible for the safety of the rifle at all times — not the manufacturer. Pull the safety lever back to apply.

Trigger

Gamo says their Custom Action Trigger (C.A.T.) comes adjusted to a 3-pound pull. It is two stage and pulls very smooth. And I do mean very. I think I can get used to this one! I will say more when we get to accuracy testing.

Silencer

The Urban comes with a Whisper Maxxim silencer on the end of the barrel. It is permanently attached to the rifle, so there are no legal issues to be concerned with. It cannot be removed without cutting it off the gun. It does have multiple baffles, but it isn’t as quiet as you might like. I couldn’t shoot the rifle in my small suburban back yard, but if you are some distance from your neighbors it would be okay.

Overall description

The Urban is all black. The metal is matte and the stock is a matte black plastic thumbhole design that’s ambidextrous. The bolt handle will remain on the right side though. The butt pad is soft rubber, so the rifle will stand up in the corner without sliding on the floor and will also hug your shoulder.

Magazine removal

The manual doesn’t tell how the mag is removed from the rifle. Of course the bolt must be cocked to be back out of the way, and then just push on the right side of the mag, or pull it out on the left. It slides out the left side of the receiver without any hesitation. It is magnetically attracted, so when you insert it back in the receiver, feel for the magnet’s attraction. It’s light but it’s there. I’ll tell you why this is important in a moment.

Loading

The Urban magazine loads easier than most rotary mags. Simply drop in a pellet and rotate to the next hole There is one problem, though. It is easy to load the pellets backwards! The manual doesn’t cover it, so in the interest of doing a thorough review, and also because I am a klutz, I loaded it backwards the first time. By “backwards” I mean the pellets were facing the wrong way when the mag was inserted into the receiver— skirt-first. You can put the mag back into the receiver when it’s loaded this way, but you won’t feel that magnet suck it in. Nor will the bolt close. That’s why I say feel for the magnet’s attraction.

I watched Tyler Patner’s video review before writing this report and he mentions the white dot that appears on the magazine with the last pellet. You can keep on cocking and firing, but the pellets are all shot when the dot can be seen. Actually, the dot appears when the last pellet loads into the breech, but after that, it remains there.

Gamo Urban magazine dot
That dot (arrow) tells you this is the rear of the magazine, which is important for loading the pellets. Sorry about the dust!

So, when loading the mag, hold it so you can see the white dot. That’s the back of the mag, and if you load the pellets into it nose-first they will be going the right way. Insert the magazine into the left side of the receiver with the back still toward you and everything will be fine. If the magnet sucks the magazine into the receiver at the end, it’s loaded into the receiver correctly. The manual doesn’t address this at all, but believe me — about half of you will need to know it.

Evaluation

It’s difficult for me not to compare the Urban with the Gauntlet, even though the rifles I’m testing are different calibers and have different features. The Urban is lighter, feels smaller and so far the magazine works as it should. The trigger is nice, though I doubt it will ever be as nice as I was able to adjust the trigger on the Gauntlet.

There will be fewer shots per fill with the Urban, but they will each be at higher power. Watching Tyler’s video, the Urban seems very accurate, and we will be testing it out to 50 yards, so we will all find out. This promises to be a good series!

178 thoughts on “Gamo’s Urban precharged air rifle: Part 1

  1. B.B.,

    Although at first glance there should be an easy way to swap the bolt handle around for left handed operation I realized that the internal receiver may also require machine cuts to be present to allow left handed operation, not to mention that the bolt itself may need to be changed too. This price-point PCP (PPPCP) also illustrates the debate among our local PCP makers/designers whether to use a tube or a bottle to contain the air. The ones made using a tube for a tank have slimmer profiles but require higher pressures to get a good number of shots, on the other hand the ones that use a bottle have a higher shot count but have rather fat fore ends on their rifles.

    Siraniko


  2. My eyes lit up, and I pressed pause on watching, “Something Borrowed” when I saw the Urban was being tested. Urban vs Gauntlet for the featherweight title. Fight. Fight. Fight.

    PPPCP 🙂


  3. What are some of the other price point pcp’s out there anyway?

    We know the Gauntlet and the Urban. Then the supposedly Fortitude that keeps getting pushed back all the time.

    But what are the others. My mind keeps drawing a blank for some reason.

    And I do like the Urban. Well except one thing. It’s only available in .22 caliber. I understand sort of that there is no .25 caliber. But kind of strange no .177 available. Almost always .177 and .22 are options. Just find that different that they don’t offer it in the 3 small bore calibers.



    • GunFun,
      there is also the Beeman QB Chief (can’t wait to see it reviewed too) and The Benjamin Wildfire. If you consider Gauntlet and Urban’s price of 299, then the first price point PCPs, Benjamin Discovery & Maximus come to mind.

      Doc


      • Doc
        Yep the QB Cheif for sure.

        And you know your right about the Maximus and Discovery as well as the WildFire. They might not have the little extra features that the Gauntlet and Urban and others have. But for sure a a good price on those guns too. I would have to say I would call them price point pcp’s.



        • Sal,
          Please do keep us advised! I had thought it looked like a fun little gun, but I see a lot bad reviews on it. For the money, on that gun, I think I’d just take the C02 version since it’s just a plinker anyways.

          Doc


        • Sal,

          My sentiment exactly. I had hoped they would have that worked out by now. Mine were some of the first ones sold and I chalked it up ( to the extent that I could) to growing pains, but that child’s grown enough by now.



  4. I’ve been waiting for this report! I purchased my Urban a few weeks ago. Hand pumping to 232 bar isn’t terrible and can be done, but as you stated isn’t necessary. I had a chance to shoot paper at 50 yards today. Shooting cphp 14.3gr semi rested I put 20 shots in a 1″ ctc group. I am very interested in your findings in this series of reports.




        • If your airgun likes the Crosman hollow points, you are a lucky shooter. Most of my airguns do not like them or the Benjamin version either. I wish it weren’t so, because I sometimes see the .177’s for like $5 for a tin of 500!


    • Hess13
      That’s pretty good shooting I would say.

      I have to ask. Have you tryed any other pellets besides the Crosman’s or have others to try yet?

      And what does semi rested mean?


      • Thanks. I haven’t tried any others yet and don’t have any others on hand. I need to order some. Semi rested meaning, I was standing, supporting the rifle on a catwalk at work. It’s fairly stable.


        • Hess13
          You know I usually check out the Pyramyd Air customer reviews on the guns page to see what other people are saying works in their guns. I have not done that yet on the Urban. Do you have any other pellets in mind?

          And ok about the semi rested. I thought you had some new top secret way to rest a gun. 🙂


          • Everything I’ve seen and read the Urban does well with jsb 15.89 and 18.1 also the preditor gto lead free. And no, no top secret rest. Just a conveniently placed cat walk lol. It works out well as it lines up perfectly with where the Eurasian doves land at 30-50 yards at work.


            • Hess13
              Yep on the JSB’s. They usually shoot well in most guns. Why do I keep saying that. That’s why all the time the JSB’s are on back order. I think I’m going to start telling people JSB’s are terrible. Then they won’t be sold out all the time. And no I really would never do that. If there is something good to know about a product and I have used it. I’m definitely going to tell about it.

              And man. Lucky you to get to shoot at work. And I thought I was lucky to get to shoot everyday at home. If you shoot at home and work you got me topped. 🙂


              • Part of my job at the grain elevator/flour mill I work at is pest control aka pigeons, collared doves, raccoons. I have a short range set up in my basement and as soon as the weather breaks I’ll set up my back yard range. I should be able to get 30 yards easily.


                • Hess13
                  Nice job to have. I grew up in the country and corn was and is the crop that we grew. I don’t farm anymore. But do live in the country and the farmer has his grain silos about 500 yards to the right of my back yard. Needless to say alot of critter traffic if you know what I mean. So I do relate to what your saying.

                  And nothing wrong with 30 yards. The main thing is it keeps you in practice. To me if you want to be good. Air gunning is not a seasonal thing. You got to do it as much as you can whenever you get a chance.

                  And yep here shortly the farmer will be planting and the black birds and starlings will be infesting the feilds. Just a while back the black birds popped in and I bet there had to be a thousand of them swarming the feild.

                  Have you ever thought of a Wing Shot air shot gun? That might work good for what you do.



                    • Coduece
                      Now that’s something I haven’t thought about. And I do have a 10 power loupe also.

                      That just might be part of why the JSB’s tend to be more accurate.


                  • GF1
                    I’ve looked at the wing shot. I haven’t seen many favorable reviews on it. Before I took over pest control they were using a 760 pump master, which still gets used on occasion. There are places that a rifle is too combersom to get to where the birds are roosting, so I use a beeman p17, in closed area and very close range.


                    • Hess13
                      I do pest control too. One of my favorite guns for that is my smooth bore 760. I use the Daisy wadcutters in it with good luck out to around 30 or so yards. What pellets do you use in your 760?

                      And cool on using the pistol. Have you ever thought about a 2240 or 1322 or 1377. I still have a old Benjamin pump pistol that I use to keep in my fishing tackle box. Use to call it my snake gun. But have used it for mice in barns at different times.

                      And I have heard mixed results on the Wing Shot. But have thought about getting one for when the black birds and starlings show up and over take the fields. I still may get one.


              • GF1
                10 – 4 on the JSBs very consistent head diameters, just like you said! And your right about using the Pelletgage while watching tv not very easy. Hoping the 101 makes it today.
                Ca



                  • Gunfun, I shoot my newer model 760 a lot. It likes the Crosman Premier Super Match, and Crosman 7.4 grain wadcutters. The Gamo Match are kind of uneven in accuracy, and also the pellets are a little undersized as to the fit in the magazine. Sometimes a Gamo Match will move in the magazine and prevent the magazine from advancing.


                    • Birdmove
                      Oh you must have one of the newer model 760’s. The 760 I have is a bit older. It only has the bb resivoir and you can only single load a pellet or bb.

                      I forgot Crosman made those with the magazine. Do you like that or would you rather have just single shot with no mag. I guess what I’m saying which do you like better.


                • Coduece,

                  That was my comment. Did your gage assemble easily? My .22 did but I had to do a lot of needle filing on the holes for the bolts on my .177 gage to get the parts to line up right.


                  • Half
                    It took some fiddling to get every plexiglas/ Lexan hole to line up with the gauge but eventually I got it. I was surprised there was no assembly drawing / exploded view. Interesting enough I looked up gage it has nothing to do with measuring that’s gauge however it’s the same spelling airgage uses here at work.
                    Carl


                    • Coduece,

                      I only used that spelling because that’s the way the manufacturer spelled it. I do the same when I spell stormrider with a lowercase “s” even though it’s a proper noun. If it’s good enough for them it’s good enough for me. Less work for a 2 finger typist. 🙂




        • Yes, GunFun, my 760 has the 5 round magazine, as does my Crosman Model 66. I like the magazines. Especially if I’m out trying to shoot rats at night. Though the mag must be advanced round by round by the shooter, it’s easy and each chamber of the mag clicks into place, so easily done in the dark. It beats loading single like most other multi pumps do. One drawback is that, if you don’t want to use the magazine, the new 760’s are about impossible to load single. But, the mags are available in packs of four.


          • Birdmove
            I had a Daisy that had the same set up as your 760. I myself would rather have a single shot gun than those clips.

            Just to much work to me. I think I would just rather load single shot.






      • Johncpen,

        From Halfstep’s graphs it looks like you will have to do some adjusting to get what you want from that low amount of air pressure. Based on what I can see on his graph it looks optimally suited to start at 2800 psi affording you 16 shots before you need to pump it up again.

        Siraniko


      • John

        I haven’t tried pumping to only 2000 psi yet. Then again, I don’t pump to 3365 psi either.

        According to Steve Scailli at AEAC, for best performance fill to 195 bar (2828 psi) which will give you 33 good shots with a 14.3gr pellet or 27 shots with the 18.13gr. He didn’t say what the pressure was at the low end. Tyler Patner tested a Gamo Urban in Oct 2016. He found the sweet spot in the curve to be from a fill of 2900 psi down to 1500 psi which yielded 22 consistent shots. The velocity really dropped off below 1500 psi. So to answer your question, you may be able to get one mag (10) shots. I don’t have a chronograph so I have to rely on what the testers tell me. I will say that at 15 yards in my basement, I shot the Urban down to about 1000 psi and saw no drop in POI. I get three mags (30) shots from 3000 psi down to 1500 psi. I only have a hand pump too.

        Geo


      • John
        I’m not sure. I’ll have to check. I know once it hits 2000 psi the pressure drops fast. I’d say 10 shots. I fill to 3000 and shoot 20 shots and refill.


  5. It would seem that maybe this was meant to have an adjustable cheek riser, but it got omitted from the final product and did not get omitted from the manual. Maybe a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing? This topic came up awhile back and one of our readers removed the butt pad and verified that it is not adjustable, but it was in fact a separate piece from the stock.

    Looking forwards to seeing more on this one.

    Good Day to one and all,…. Chris


  6. BB
    See if the cheek riser can be squeezed and lifted. Then it latches in a spot then can be raised higher in the same way by stopping at different clicks.

    I know I saw this on a gun. I don’t remember where. But it very well may of been a Urban a while back or another Gamo gun.


  7. I have also been waiting for this report. I bought my Urban about 2 months ago for $200, sounds like a great price but I missed out on the $173 sale just before Christmas. Here are a few thoughts from a first time pcp owner.

    First , I agree with BB about the suppressor, it’s not as quiet as I’d like. I plan on doing some internal modifications to the baffle that would add some soft, sound deadening material, to see if that hushes things a bit.

    My latest improvement involves changing the 2.5 x 8 mm second stage adjustment screw, to a 10 mm screw. This allows you to eliminate the creep that plagues this trigger. BB, I’d love to know if you would consider this in your test.

    As for pellet choice, I’ve found JSB 13s and 14s to be the most accurate. I’ve shot 3/8” groups at 40 yards with both of these. H&N sniper 18s are my choice for a heavier pellet, 3/4” groups are common at 40 yards. I’d like to try Crosman domes but I haven’t been able to find any at Wally World. Many video reviews say they are the best, plus if I can make them my go to pellet I’ll save enough on pellets to get a second magazine, without feeling like I’m being robbed.

    As has already been indicated, there’s no need to fill the gun to the max pressure. I spend less than 4 minutes hand pumping my Urban to 2900 psi, shoot 2 mags, getting very consistent POIs, then pump again. I could fill it to 3200, shoot 40 shots, then work harder to refill but I find the shorter pumping session much more enjoyable.

    As for a comparison between the Urban and the Gauntlet, well, I’ve never used a Gauntlet but, as a hand pumper I wouldn’t want to fill that bottle with a hand pump. Since my other Airgun is a QB78S, and the Gauntlet is based on the same design, I’d have to think that the overall build quality of the Urban is much higher. I was on the fence for some time between the Urban and the Stormrider, but I have absolutely no regrets about my choice, especially at the price I paid.







            • Toddspeed
              Know what you mean about afford. I got more wants than I have money.

              I still have one electric Grayson hobby 3D Suhkoi that I kept and fly when it’s a nice calm blue sky day. Yo can see the plane for a long way up on those days. And I do get a occasional hawk that’s always around and will check out the plane when I float it around up high.

              But yep air guns is pretty much what it’s been for me too. But is this your first air gun if you don’t mind me asking.


              • No, first was a Crosman PFM16, a CO2 powered hand gun. Had tons of fun shooting cans and stuff, but it’s loud and hard to be accurate with a B.B. hand gun that has a long hard trigger pull.

                I started reading lots of forums and got completely hooked by an article / thread called “the $200 pcp”. I loved the idea of turning a pretty basic and inexpensive CO2 rifle into a much more powerful and generally more serious gun. Especially since it didn’t involve lots of money, just some ingenuity and craftsmanship. So my first air rifle was a QB78S, which I quickly modified by improving the gas flow from the valve all the way through to the flow-through bolt. I don’t have a chrono, but it was clear that I had increased velocity significantly. I also made a suppressor, which REALLY quieted things down. The next step was to convert to HPA, but before that happened, I was seduced by the allure of muti-shot PCPs. Not to mention the fact that they aren’t subject to temperature change the way CO2 guns are.

                For the last couple months I’ve been getting more and more familiar with my Urban, but when the temps rise I plan on using my QB regularly again, maybe even finish what I started and turn it into a 30 ft/lb HPA tack driver.


                • Toddspeed
                  I have a QB79 that I converted to high pressure air. It’s got a 13 cu.inch 3000 psi Air Venturi bottle that’s regulated at 1200 psi. Nice little gun. Very good plinkwr and definitely good for pest birds.

                  Yep sounds like you got the air gun bug. 🙂


                • Toddspeed,

                  Be careful making suppressors for air guns. It is hard to do without violating a very serious federal law. It would have to be constructed such that it could not be attached to ANY firearm. If your design works on an air gun it will work on a firearm and absent the required background check,fingerprinting and tax stamp would surely be illegal. If I were to chance never being caught I would improve my chances by never discussing it in a public forum, if you get my drift.

                  BB wrote a blog on a $100 conversion that you may enjoy. /blog//?s=%24100+PCP&btnGo=



          • Halfstep

            I hope I haven’t ordered the wrong size 🙁

            I saw online that the fix was to replace the 2.5x6mm with a 2.5x8mm. I couldn’t find anything smaller that 3mm in the hardware stores. I ordered a package of (10) 2.5x8mm on ebay. They should arrive today or tomorrow. But if I need the 2.5x10mm, I may just look around for some of those.

            Geo


            • Geo,

              I think you will be OK. As I recall, I got the 10mm length because they didn’t have any 8mm at the hobby shop that I went to. I believe 8mm is what the guy in the video recommended. Just be careful not to over do it. It will get to a point where the gun won’t cock if you go too far. I cocked mine ( unloaded of course ) and smacked it real hard a few times on the comb and bounced it on the butt to make sure it wouldn’t accidentally discharge after I got it as light as I wanted it.


            • Geo,

              I’m sorry, but I misspoke. After rereading Toddspeed’s comment above, I measured my old screws and they are, indeed, 8mm. That means that you need 10mm to do the mod just as Toddspeed says. I fixed a friend’s trigger by cutting a 15mm screw with a sidecutting plier and cleaning it up with a file, so that could be an option for you if you can find a longer screw.

              Half


              • Half

                Darn, I was hoping I ordered the correct length. Apparently the Urban uses a longer screw than the other Gamos with the CAT. Kenny Kormandy has a video showing the trigger fix and he says to replace the 6mm length with an 8mm, or a 10mm. But he is showing a break barrel rifle in his video. Oh well, It’s not terrible once you get used to the long 2nd stage. At least it’s smooth.

                Thanks for checking that out for me.

                Geo


                • Geo,

                  I think I’m the one that linked you to Kenny’s mod and I remembered him saying 8mm to replace 6mm. That’s why I thought you would be OK. I know I tried to get 8mm but had to settle for 10mm and it worked. If I had found the ones recommended by Kenny I’d be in the same boat you are. Two of the guns I used them on were Gamo springers and I still have the original screws and they are 8mm so I have to conclude that Kenny misspoke when giving the size. In addition to planes and cars they are used on r/c boats as well. If you have any old VCRs sitting around they are a good source for small metric bolts. I recommend that you follow through on the mod as it is well worth the effort, even the extra effort that you’re having to put out.



              • Todd

                Thanks for clearing that up for me 🙂

                I look forward to your comments on the Urban as well. I just got mine on 2/21/18. So far I’ve only been able to shoot it in my basement at 15 yards. I am using JSB Heavies 18.13gr and they group at 1/4″ to 1/2″. I shot a few JSB 15.89s too and they do just as well. But the real test will be when I get outside and shoot at 25 yards and 50 yards. From what I have read, the Urban shoots most pellets well at 25 yards but when you extend it out to 50 yards, only a few group within 1″.


  8. “The Urban has no regulator, so Gamo has opted to control the velocity with the air valve. That is a more reliable way to do it, because there is one less mechanical thing to go wrong.”

    B.B. I disagree that leaving out the regulator is a better approach than including one. I feel that it is a very important component with regards to the accuracy, consistency and convenience of a PCP.

    I do agree with the design principal that every part is a potential source of failure and that less parts are better.

    It is possible that the Belleville washers in a regulator can fail but this is unlikely given their track record. These washers are used in many automotive (transmissions), military, and mechanical applications where they see millions of cycles and extreme compression without issue.

    I can’t find any reference that a reasonable quality PCP regulator is particularly prone to failure. Think that its’ benefits far out weigh any possible issues – especially for a rifle for the “new to PCP” market. New users shouldn’t have to be concerned with bell curves and optimum fill pressures. Causal users (most of the market) likely don’t want to be bothered with the details – they just want to shoot.

    …Just my 2 cents.

    Hank


    • Hank,

      I agree with your thoughts about most entry level shooters to a point. I will agree on the Belleville springs being more reliable in HYDRAULIC systems than COIL springs.
      My experience with performance issues is limited to an early (late ’90s) bottle gun PCP that I converted to operate with a 3k bottle stepdown to 1400psi regulator. Wear has always been a problem. I’m going to take B.B.s advice to lubricate with RWS SILICON chamber oil from now on and see if it reduces the rate of wear.

      Aside: Snow, Flora and fauna. But you also get to kayak in the big pond! NICE! Some of the best moments of tranquility to be found on a foggy morning slipping quietly through the glassy water.

      You are Blessed!
      shootski


  9. BB- There are 3d printer models for a single shot adapter available. I’ve printed it and it works fine. It’s just basically a plastic piece the shape of the magazine with a pass-through feedhole. No magnet in this very simple design, just slide it in, push the bolt forward to load, and retract to slide it out and reload. Also, there is a single-shot adapter for the BSA Buccaneer sold in the UK with a clever swing-arm loading mechanism, but it’s about 75% the cost of a new magazine. Oh, if you want a 3d printed single-shot adapter, I printed two and would be happy to send you one of them for the test.






        • Prfssrlee
          I have been a machinist pretty well my whole life. I think the 3 D printers are cool. That’s something I would like to get into.

          Here’s a picture of a single shot tray I machined out Delrin for a Hatsan AT 44 QE I had.

          It took me around a hour to make it. How long do you think it would take for a 3D printer to make it? And seriously don’t know that’s why I’m asking.

          And what kind of up keep does a 3D printer need and what does material or what ever is used for material cost?



          • Hi gunfun, if you want, send me the 3d file – send it as an still or inventor (ipt) or solidworks (sldprt) file and I’ll pull it into the software. The time it takes depends on how precise you want the part straight off the printer, just like in machining, and also how solid you want the infill. For something like this, 30% infill should be fine since it’s not structural. If your want me to run it through the software, be send it to me at prfssrlee at gmail dot com.



            • Prfssrlee
              I forgot to attach the picture of the Hatsan single shot tray I made.

              Well I actually made one for me and a buddy in Alabama. But my 44 QE is long gone now. Had that quite a few years back.

              But here is a few pictures of the one I made.




                  • Hi GunFun, That doesn’t look hard to 3d print at all – the trick (and one big difference between 3dp and subtractive machining like milling) is that you have to start with a CAD model. When milling something not too complex, you can kind of just fixture up a block of delrin and start removing material, taking measurements until you get where you want to go – but with additive machining like 3dp, the printer needs to know exactly where to put material. So it pretty much has to start life as a 3d model in CAD. There are ways to do fancy things like scan your object with a laser scanner and turn that into a CAD model, but it’s not “quick and dirty” easy. Here’s a pic of the simple single shot loader I printed.


                    • Prfssrlee
                      Back when I machined the single shot tray for the Hatsan there wasn’t one available from Hatsan. So I dimensioned everything to make it.

                      So I guess in this case you would have to apply those dimensions to CAD then 3D print.

                      All in all I do find the 3D printing interesting.

                      But how long would you estimate that it would take to print the one I machined?


                  • This wouldn’t take long to print – at 30% fill, I’m guessing 30-40 minutes. But to print multiple copies of them – say maybe 25 of them in a 5×5 array – would probably only take ~2 hrs. That would be after doing a bunch of test prints to make sure the final object is correctly dimensioned (the printer material shrinks slightly as it cools). Hope that is helpful.


                    • Prfssrlee
                      Thanks. That’s exactly what I was wanting to know.

                      What would the material cost or I guess plastic cost to make those 25 single shot trays?

                      I was thinking if the cost of the printer would be worth it in my case to do little things here and there. Or even small production runs of say a couple hundred or so.

                      But I do see where one would come in handy at times.


  10. I fell stepping off a curb and broke my right arm the day after Christmas, and had surgery to install a piece of metal at humerus fracture site. It is still weak and my hand is not fully functional, either.

    So I bought an Urban as a LWRAG (light weight rehabilitation air gun) a couple of weeks back – online order at a great price. At the moment, shooting any springer is difficult, and my PCP rifles are all heavy. My new Urban is at Paul Bracaglia’s shop getting a tune, and he’s mounting a Bugbuster 3-12. I understand that putting a longer screw in the back trigger adj will take all the creep from the first stage, and make it almost target grade. I’m counting on the quality of the BSA barrel being a lot better than the normal Gamo.

    This will likely be a plinking rifle, but it is powerful enough to take small critters if they become a problem. I once owned a Gamo Whisper in .177. Even though tuned by Bob Werner himself and upgraded with a GRT trigger, it was never accurate, and the big plastic thing on the front of the barrel had minimal effect. All reports indicate that this BSA with Gamo plastic stock is a lot better, although I have heard what BB tells us, the noise is still there. The Tyler Patner video review on PA site convinced me that this was a decent choice for LWRAG.

    I hope to have the gun in a week or two, and Paul said he would try out several pellets for me. I bought some Benjamin Destroyer 14.3, some Crosman Premier “Domed Ultra Magnum” 14.3 gr (love that kind of talk), and in my pellet stash, there are some CPHP (unspecified weight), some Falcon 13.4, and some JSB Jumbo RS 13.4 pellets.

    Thought I had some JSB Exact Jumbo 15.89 but could not locate, they are reported to do well in this rifle, but seem to be backordered most places.

    It appears to me that the .22 Crosman Premier domed pellets are no longer available. Perhaps the “Domed Ultra Magnum” (DUM) pellets are the same thing, in a 500 tin blister packed for Walmart pegboards. I may examine some carefully and report back.

    Will try to add something to future parts of this review in comments. Thanks, BB, this is very timely for me.



  11. BB,

    Although I have not been a real big fan of Gamo in the past, I have considered this one because of the compactness and good reviews. At this price, this is going to be a hard one to beat.


    • RR,

      I honestly think the Urban needs to be thought of more as a BSA product than Gamo. Just as a stormrider is not representative of Diana. The difference is, one is better than expected quality and the other gives its brand a black eye.

      Half


  12. BB,

    The manual that I got with my Urban is the same as the one that I got with my Coyote. It is black and white and is printed in many languages, devoting 2 pages for each language. The photo of the gun on the first page is of a Gamo Coyote, as marked on the side of the receiver. You must have a different manual because mine is very clear on how to load pellets into the mag and how to orient the mag in the gun. My manual(s) show a comb adjustment but it states that it is found on 2 versions of the Coyote.

    I will post the relevant pages as a photo.

    By the way the screw #2 is the one to replace on Gamo guns to get it to adjust to any degree. I think it determines sear engagement because if you go too far the bolt will not cock the gun.




      • Ton,

        Keep in mind that the Coyote is .177 and the Urban is .22, but these are my general impressions. I get about twice as many shots from the Coyote because it has twice the air storage. I prefer the much lighter Urban. The Coyote has a thick all over wood stock that looks nicer than the synthetic on the Urban but is just too heavy for my tastes. The Coyote is a little quieter as it has a longer barrel and a smaller bore. They both seem to have the same suppressor and are very quiet in my opinion. A bouncing basketball creates much more noise than these guns so only a jerk neighbor should have any issues there. I can shoot the Urban better off hand because it is light and I’m old 🙂 , but the balance on either gun will depend on the scope, I suppose . So far the Urban has been more accurate for me but I have more shooting to do with the Coyote.

        Hope that helps. The Urban is the gun that I would recommend to you. It’s the better value.



      • Ton,

        I would agree with Halfstep that the Urban is very quiet. I know it’s much quieter than my Diana 34. When I shoot in the basement my wife used to complain a little about the noise from the Diana but when shooting the Urban, she says she doesn’t even hear it upstairs. Happy wife…happy life 🙂

        It’s most definitely backyard friendly. A nailgun makes a lot more noise.

        I would also agree that the Urban’s lightness and compactness are very desirable as well. Haven’t shot it outside at my 25 yard range, but in my basement at 15 yards it’s one ragged hole.

        Geo


  13. BB,

    I get my best 50 yd groups with H&N FTT 5.55mm and Crosman Copper Domed pellets. I’ve shot about 30 different pellets and these are the 2 that shine. I have not had the luck with CPHP or CP Ultra Magnum that others here have had. Those goofy Piranhas actually shoot better. I fill my gun to 2800 psi, by the way. I have not tried all those pellets at different velocities yet but I plan to if Spring will actually spring around here. We got 4 1/2″ of snow over night and have cold and rain forcast for the next 10 days.


    • That’s so interesting, I tried the H&N FTT with 5.5 head and they were terrible, same with CPHPs, and JSB 15s. Although the worst yet have been JSB wad cutters. So far mine has liked JSB 13s, 14s, 18s, and H&N sniper 18s, with the 13s being the best. Clearly every gun is slightly different, making it important to get to know YOUR gun.


      • Toddspeed and Halfstep
        Now that is some interesting info.

        I know there’s a lot of variables that make different results. But for two guns liking the opposite pellets is something to take note about.


  14. Toddspeed,

    I agree. That’s why I test with so many pellets. I had more that showed promise at 30 yds but just didn’t make the cut at 50 yds. You may have seen my results posted elsewhere in the past. I have another Urban that I haven’t shot yet. Maybe it will show an appetite for the pellets yours likes.

    Half


    • Halfstep
      What made you get another Urban? Just curious why.

      And I wonder what pellets it will like after reading you and Toddspeed’s replies above.

      I wonder if BSA pcp’s are like that too?


      • GF1,

        After blowing $200 on the stormrider I was so impressed with the quality of the Urban for essentially the same money that I wanted a second one before the price went back up.My grandson or my friends will shoot one of them. I had fun sharing my Beeman P17s and Browning Buckmarks with my friends on my fishing trip to Georgia. We were shooting bean cans at almost 25 yards and had a blast. I always try to buy 2 of a gun and that’s why I buy cheap guns and optics.


  15. Well, after seriously considering a Gauntlet I finally opted for a Urban, mainly because of length and weight. I would have liked the regulator and the option of a .177 but the odds of a good UK made barrel tilted the scale. Decisions, decisions.

    I received mine yesterday from PA and I had barely enough time for a quick look and a couple of shots. The first impression of the gun as whole is quite good, better than what I expected. Also the trigger, though plastic, is not bad at all although I agree with most in this blog that after the initial break-in it will undergo adjustment and/or screw replacement.

    The biggest disappointment is with the manual.. Why a company like Gamo – and most others by the way – can’t spend the time and effort to get a proper manual is beyond me. The one that I got is a generic for Gamo PCPs, and it doesn’t cover anything beyond the ultra basic. No technical details at all, not even how to degas (is it possible) or remove the stock. Backing down from my soap box.

    I am very interested in the rest of this series. I will be discovering some of the issues almost at the same time as BB. This is exciting!

    Henry

    PS. I am finding out that having a new tank hydrotested and filled to 4500 PSI isn’t as easy as I had thought. The Benji hand pump will have to do for now. Besides, my wife would say that I really need the workout!


    • Henry
      Why the hydro testing. Is it a used bottle? It should have a date . If your having it filled at a shop I’m guessing they want the hydro testing done to know the condition of the bottle. Or if they charge for it they are trying for some extra money maybe. I would like to know more about bottle filling.

      And I’m with you on manuals. They should be detailed. I think anyway.

      And of course I have to say something about the barrel. You say you chose it because of a possibly better uk barrel. But it seems that the Urban is in a sense pellet picky. Well from gun to gun anyway. Just like what Toddspeed and Halfstep commented about. Both of their guns liked the opposite pellets than the other gun. And I don’t want to compare guns but I guess I am. So far it seems the Gauntlet is not pellet picky and results seem to be the same from gun to gun with accuracy.

      And just to keep things straight. I do believe I would be happy with a Urban from what all I have read so far. Seems like a cool gun to me.


      • GF1,
        I don’t know much yet, I only got the Air Ventury bottle yesterday – today I asked in a couple of shops by phone, one for divers and the other a paintball shop, and they say that they are required to have a valid test before they can fill up the tank. And yes, they charge for that too, but I found an industrial place that tests tanks for less, although they do not fill them. The money I save should pay for the gas of going all over town. And a compressor is looking more attractive by the minute, specially now that they are coming down in price.
        By the way, I just also learned that the life of a carbon fiber tank is fifteen years after the date of the first inspection, and those have to repeated every five years. Please take all of this with a grain – or a bucket – of salt, I am just learning.
        Henry


        • Henry
          Sounds about right on your bottle situation to me.

          And I know it’s a extra cost. But once you buy your own hpa compressor it will just make things so much more enjoyable when it comes shooting time.

          And it sounds like you have looked into the compressor’s that are available or soon to be available. So that’s a head start. And I have to say I’m very happy with my China compressor I got new for $300 shipped from a place in California.

          Really it’s so much nicer to fill at will then relying on other sources. Not that it’s a bad thing to have other sources. But it’s also nice to be independent.

          I would like to know how you end up going. I say get a compressor. It will make things more fun.


        • Henry_TX,

          Did you buy a new Carbon Fiber Air Ventury tank? If it is new it does NOT need to be hydro’d until 5 years after it’s Birth date found on the label. So you are being misinformed (or worse) in that case.
          The first Inspection date is in fact the “born date” and that starts the DOT 15 year lifespan. If they claim as Gunfun1 indicates it’s a hydro condition test, that only happens at 5 and 10 years of age. If a visual inspection by a DOT Certified shop is failed you will probably get your tank back with a hole drilled into it.

          Hope that is somewhat clear. Ask more and I’ll try to clear up the HPA world. I have run SCUBA, SCBA, and now two CF cylinders over the past 20 years. I use two CF 100 cubic foot on a Cascade System to air up my Big Bores; which saves me on trips to the dive shop!

          shootski



      • Thanks Halfstep. This is practically identical to the printed manual that came with the rifle, with the only difference I remember being about the adjustment of the stock comb, a feature not available in the Urban but – I think – in the very similar Coyote. At any rate, this is about as much as you get with a hair dryer and I was expecting a more technical manual with this otherwise fine rifle. I guess that they are focusing in the people that do not read manuals.
        Henry



        • Henry,

          You’re welcome. If you go to Pyramyd Air and search for Coyote SE you will find a link to the exact manual that I believe you got with your gun. Also a PDF.


  16. And thought I would post this real quick.

    Was getting ready for work and oldest said dad. Why don’t you stay home from work today. You been doing all this overtime and going early when they call you. And we haven’t shot the bb guns in a while or road the 4 wheelers much and it’s nice out.

    Well the bb guns she is talking about is the pair of Daisy 74’s we got. We have can plinking wars with them. Basically one can and both shooting at the can knocking it out of the way before the other can hit. Or can races. We each have a can that we set side by side. Then we both start shooting at the same time at our can. We shoot one magazine full of bb’s which you shake from the resivoir into the spring loaded mag. The can that is farthest away is the winner when the mag is empty.

    Well needless to say. Ole dad has about 5 sick days at work right now. So you know what dad Gunfun1 is doing right now. Yep hav’n some shooting fun with his daughter, well both daughters now. The youngest daughter just got home from school. Looks like Gunfun1 has to get out the WildFire now and hand over the 74 to the youngest daughter. And you know this didn’t take me long to decide when she brought it up. 🙂


    • GF1,

      Get you a 499 before they are gone. A Red Ryder spring will add 150 fps. Tried and proven.

      When you and the Daughters get done blasting away with the “toys”, you can bust out the 499 for “The Grand Championship” of all time. Everyone gets 1 try at 10 shots at X yards.

      (If) they are in fact on their way out,… and IF I was a collector,…. I would scour the Earth for new ones and wait 1 year and add $100.00 to the price tag. $150.00 for a Red Ryder spring tuned one.

      You will regret not getting one if you don’t now.



        • GF1,

          With B.B.’s connections,… this rather nasty rumor should be able to be put to rest in rather short order,.. I would think. That is who I want to hear it from.

          Considering it’s a iconic classic,… I think that a stockpile would be worth the while. B.B. has seen things come and go over the years, so he would know better. Not everything that goes “extinct” is iconic or classic. Not a collector myself, but “iconic” and “classic” seem like some sure money makers to me.

          66% profit (150 new, + 100) sounds good to me. And yup,… keep it in the box,… unless it is a tuned 499 Super Magnum with the Red Ryder spring tune.


          • Chris
            I would like to say I would like two 499’s. One to keep in the box and one to play with. Or as we say to mod.

            I seen this happen in the muscle cars I use to mess with. And even the late model specialty cars that have come along. Untouched original with the least amount of use seems to be of most interest all the time.

            I t that’s how I would play the game with a 499 right now if was to get any.



  17. Dear Gamo,
    Please find a way to put open sights on your guns. If Hatsan can do it on their multi shot break barrel, then you can on your guns too (Are you listening Umarex and Crosman).

    Thank You,
    the simple airgunner.

    Doc



    • Micheal in Georgia,

      FTB doesn’t normally do hoaxes. A number of other gun pages are running stuff on the Umarex HRD .50 CAL. Revolver. My big question is the stated 11 Joules of muzzle energy; that is a shade over 8 ft/lbs. That’s not very powerful! Unless they meant 111 Joules I think it is way to underpowered to be a reliable “home defense” weapon.. I have a DAQ .58 Cal. (.575) pistol that has about 230 Joules of muzzle energy launching a 238 grain lead ball. And that has a much longer barrel then the Umarex picture; co2 typically takes a long barrel to perform well. So something is strange about this revolver >÷}}}}°>

      shootski




          • Halfstep,

            Absolutely no idea as that my internet connection is so slow that I can barely watch YouTube unless I degrade the quality. I don’t get to watch American Airgunner either since it’s not available to me locally.

            Siraniko


        • The thought of a hoax was kind of an afterthought. The pepper projectile might be right, but the article said that there would be a wide range of ammunition. If the former is true, it is difficult to see the point. Why not just get a pepper sprayer? Perhaps firing a ball would concentrate the pepper on the bad guy. If there will be a wide range of ammunition, what would it be like? Also, if this is designed for up close and personal defense, why the rails? Looking at the pepperball url listed by Siraniko, they have several launcher, and a couple of different kinds of ammo. So maybe this is a viable alternative.
          Michael in Georgia


          • Michael in Georgia,

            For some reason, Umarex is fascinated with these big ball shooters. They had one in .43 caliber in 2006. I think it’s a cultural thing, because firearms and powerful airguns are restricted in Germany.

            B.B.


          • Michaelingeorgia,

            Pepper sprays are good only up to 12 feet away unless there is a strong wind blowing which decreases the range. The pepperballs will allow a farther distance (30 feet is claimed) between the potential victim and the assailant. So on top of the sting that the impact of the pepperball will cause the would be assailant also gets an up close dose of pepper spray. I imagine the rail is standard already for most to allow mounting a light or a laser depending on preference.

            Siraniko


  18. B.B.

    This review is perfect timing. I have had my Urban for a month and have it pretty much figured out now. I had some issues with misfiring and pellet feeding but most of that was me getting familiar with a bolt action repeating PCP. This is my first PCP and I did due diligence before purchasing this particular PCP. I really don’t think there is another PCP in this price range that is comparable, especially if it can be found on sale for $200-220.

    After trying for several years to achieve 1″ or less groups with my RWS 34P, and never getting any better than 1.5-2″, this Urban is a refreshing change. I had started doubting my shooting abilities and thought that I had lost the capability to shoot accurately anymore. The Urban has restored my faith that I can still shoot a rifle accurately, like in my youth. I am very anxious to get out and shoot at 25 yards and more. So far I am very happy with my decision to buy the Urban. It’s a new learning experience but I am enjoying seeing that pellet hit where I aim. Loving it 😀

    Very much looking forward to your future reports on the Gamo Urban, and the helpful comments too.

    Geo


    • Geo,

      I was really hoping you would like the gun. I was pretty sure you would but you never know, everyone is different. Have any birdies gone bye bye yet ?

      Half


      • Halfstep,

        Yeah, I really like the look, feel, and accuracy of the Urban. I think the sparrows and starlings have found out somehow that I now have an Urban and they more skittish than ever. Haven’t even been able to get them in my sights before they take off. I’m still anticipating my first opportunity.

        Geo


  19. Twotalon,

    It’s been a while since I’ve seen a post from you. You were one the first people to try helping me with my Diana RWS 34P when I was not able to shoot it accurately. I was trying to achieve a 1″ or less group at 25 yards and was never able to get there…even with all the help and suggestions from this blog. So a month ago I ordered an Urban pcp and problem solved.

    I do have several bird feeders in the front yard hanging from two shepard’s hooks. I have a wooden block with holes bored into it with woodpecker suet for my downys, hairys, and red bellies. I have fun flower seed for the cardinals and nyjer seed for the finches. And then a supreme seed squirrel proof feeder for other birds. Yes, the sparrows do come to the feeder and they seem to like the woodpecker suet. When I see them out front, I sneak out to my garage and very slowly crack the service door open just enough to try getting a shot. They are very skittish and usually fly off as soon as they seen that door open a crack. Sometimes I leave the door open enough to shoot through. Then I use a step stool at the side of my SUV and shoot over the roof rack. They are at about 15 yards from that point and I have had some luck with that. But when it’s cold it doesn’t work very well. I usually have to station myself out there and wait for the sparrows to come in because they don’t stay very long.

    Geo


    • Geo

      There are serious problems when you have to work very close in. I have the same problem with starlings on the suet block out back at just a bit over seven yards .

      Things that help…..
      Clothing subdued colors . Dark in your hiding place . All movements slow and smooth . Sun at your back . Even a camo face mask .
      Make yourself as hard to see or hear as possible !!!

      tt


    • Geo
      I have also had to get creative in pesting. To be covert getting the shot out of the garage service door I hung a towel between the two doors and left the screen half way up. Then they would not see me open the inside door. If you do not have a storm door as part of your service door you could pin an old blanket over the opening and have a flap cut to pin back and shoot from.
      Gerald


    • Geo
      Also try to not have shiny things on you that can flash light reflecting off of it. The lens of a scope will do that. Try to keep your front scope cover over the lens and remove or open it right before you shoot. I wear glasses and I wear a hat to try to keep the reflection off my glasses well and to sheild my eyes too from any bright light.

      But yep they will pick up on alot of stuff like Twotalon mentioned too.


      • Lots of good stalking info everybody! An ARD on your scope helps to eliminate reflections. An old Gunner told me once that many animals can see your eye in the scope and not to EYEBALL them for very long or they will be gone before you can shoot. I’ll add a personal best practice: be certain to cover your hands.
        Get them invasive Starlings and English Sparrows!

        shootski


        • Shootski
          I have thought about getting a ARD for my scope but never tryed one yet. It would save time from having to flip open or remove the front scope cover. Also would eliminate the extra movement also the pest could see.

          And you know I’m thinking they can pick up on movement more than we think. I actually can usually pick up on odd shapes or little movements in a tree with my naked eye quicker than if try to locate a squirrel up in a tree with my scope.

          And have you ever checked out these camo suits. They work for turkey so I wonder if it would also work on critters or birds too. I’m thinking yes. But I have thought about getting a suit too for when I squirrel or rabbit hunt. Check out the link.
          http://www.hecsllc.com


  20. Shootski,

    Odd enough,… when shooting an extended session, with breaks,… the squirrels seem to come back out and move around like normal. Also, the more shooting, the more normal it seems to them. It does not always happen, but it does happen, 70% of the time I would say.. Yes, many good (pesting) tips in today’s comments.


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