by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier
Air Venturi Avenger.
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7
This report covers:
- The test
- Air Arms 16-grain dome
- Second target
- Air Arms Falcon pellets
- Second group of Falcons
- Last group
- Oh, oh!
- Summary
Today I shoot the Air Venturi Avenger for accuracy at 50 yards. We already know this one is a winner. How good is it?
The test
I went to AirForce Airguns to shoot the rifle. They have a nice outdoor range that I had all to myself. I shot at 50 yards off my portable benchrest. The rifle was rested on a sandbag. I had filled it at home and didn’t bring an air tank to the range because I knew it had at least 90 good shots and there was no way I was going to shoot that many.
I shot from the single shot tray because I wanted nothing to get in the way of the best this rifle can do. The Meopta Optica6 scope was as sharp as ever, and could almost resolve the 10-dot of a 10-meter air rifle target at 50 yards!
I shot 10-shot groups because we know they are the true test of accuracy — especially at long range. I will have more to say on that in a bit.
The Avenger is set at its lowest power level, which is more than enough for 50 yards.
The Texas sun was bright and hot and may have played a part in the test. I will mention that in a little while.
Air Arms 16-grain dome
In previous testing I have established that the Air Arms 16-grain dome is the most accurate pellet I know of for this rifle. The first shot hit the target two inches below the aim point and perfectly centered, left and right, so I cranked up the elevation to hit above the center of the target. I wanted to preserve my aim point.
Ten pellets went into a group that measures 0.643-inches between centers at 50 yards. It was the best group of the test and demonstrates that the Avenger is everything I said it was.
The group is centered to the right of the aim point, so I applied five clicks of left adjustment to correct.
The Avenger shot 10 Air Arms 16-grain domes into 0.648-inches at 50 yards.
Second target
The second target was also shot with Air Arms domes. But this time there was a difference. There is a central group of 7 shots that measures exactly one-half-inch between centers. But three outliers open the group to 0.989-inches. What happened? Well, from my days competing in field target, I think I know. As I mentioned, the sun was hot and beating down relentlessly. I felt the outside of the Meopta scope and it was very warm. The lenses in optics are in in precise packages with spacing that can be measured in millionths of an inch (0.0000254 mm). When the sun heats a scope it expands and moves the optics inside. I have seen shooters loose their zero in a field target match and have to re-zero many times.
It isn’t just the Meopta scope — all scopes perform this way. The solution is to cover the scope with cloth or to keep it out of the sun. But I didn’t think of that on this day, so I lived with the consequences.
The second group of Air Arms pellet scattered as the scope heated up. Ten pellets in 0.989-inches with 7 in 0.5-inches at 50 yards.
Air Arms Falcon pellets
Another pellet the Avenger liked is the Falcon from Air Arms. The first group of 10 measures 0.783-inches between centers at 50 yards. This is the group where, if I had stopped at just 5 shots, it would have measured around a quarter-inch. Eight of the ten pellets are in 0.42-inches but the two outliers open it to 0.783-inches. I adjusted the scope several clicks to the left after this group.
The Avenger put 10 Air Arms Falcon pellets into 0.783-inches at 50 yards. Eight of them are in 0.42-inches.
Second group of Falcons
The next group of Falcons did go to the left, but they also landed in the largest group of the day — 1.126-inches between centers. This is the only 50-yard group of 10 that is larger than an inch.
The second group of 10 Falcon pellets measured 1.126-inches between centers. It’s the largest group of the test.
Last group
I switched back to Air Arms 16-grain domes for the final group. This time the Avenger put 10 pellets into 0.727-inches — the second smallest of the test. This group did move to the left a little because of the scope adjustment for the Air Arms pellets.
The third group of Air Arms domes went into 0.727-inches at 50 yards.
Oh, oh!
As I finished the last group I felt a sudden itching on my lower left leg. It felt like a fire ant bite. Sure enough I had planted one of the legs of the shooting bench on a fire ant mound and was resting my foot on that leg of the bench. Good thing I was finished. As I packed up I was bitten several more times.
Summary
We have now looked at the Air Venturi Avenger 8 times. In every test it has performed in an exemplary manner. It gets lots of shots on a fill, it can be filled as low as 2500 psi and still get 44 good shots, which makes it a candidate for a hand pump. It has a user adjustable regulator that works well and it is extremely accurate. All this for under $300! I’m calling it the best airgun I have tested this century!
B.B.,
Looks like it’s time to break out your pom-poms again. Seriously doesn’t that portable benchrest have a hole you can stick a beach umbrella into?
Siraniko
Siraniko,
Ha ha! Now that is a good idea!
B.B.
BB,
I am surprised that Air Force does not have a very nice private range,…. like covered, etc.. Bringing your own bench was a surprise too. I figured they would have maybe cement ones or at least wood. I would have guessed that they have a 100 yard indoor range at the least. Surely,… this can not be. With you having worked there and being the infamous B.B. Pelletier,… I figured that you would have run of the place. 😉
Chris
BB
An old beach umbrella strapped to a corner deck post has been shading guns, scopes and me for 6 years and going strong. Just learned thanks to this report and one at HardAir that I can shoot my CO2 guns in summer heat up to 90 degrees in the shade.
Quite a complement from you to the Avenger. Good series.
Deck
I always thought CO2 guns were sensitive to cold. Here in the south the vast majority of the summer is over 90 in the shade. Are they worse in warm weather as well?
Auronotcs
CO2 gun velocity falls as temperature drops. Velocity increases as temperature rises until about 90 degrees Fah when the gun stops working until it cools below that point. BB has written about this in detail.
I had thought that anything warmer than 80 degrees was unsuitable for CO2. Happy to learn that is not correct.
Deck
Have you ever done a comparison test before? Like say between the air venturi avenger and the umarex gauntlet?
Enlil,
Looks like B.B. found you a PCP to go along with your Hw30s!
Siraniko
😉
Cool rifle, but I’ll go with FlashQE .177 + Optima 3-12X50AO. It’s been over 24 hrs, and I still haven’t changed my mind. 🙂
Enlil,
You sure made up your mind with that one instead of vacillating over what to buy this time.
Siraniko
Still
HW30S & FlashQE .177 + Optima 3-12X50AO.
😀
BB,
Nice shooting. Seems like we have a winner. Thanks for doing the 50 yards and making the trip.
Chris
Hi folks,
this Avenger rifle sure looks impressive, considering that it doesn’t cost much more than my Diana 34, which is a very nice springer, but no PCP.
I did some pistol shooting from a rest yesterday. I noticed once again that this is *hard*.
It worked fairly well with the FWB LP80. The result is good, but certainly not a “single hole” group.
Shooting the Diana LP5G rested is difficult! Resting the grip on the shooting bag didn’t work terribly well. The group isn’t that much better than the ones I shoot standing and one-handed. Resting the barrel on the shooting bag was a total disaster. One shot hit very low on the 3 ring of the 10m pistol target. The others struck in a vertical line below the target.
What seems to work a little better is to rest my arm on the shooting bag so the wrist is free or touches the bag just a little bit. But as that leaves the free wrist to wobble around, it doesn’t help that much with stability.
I think I’ll do some more testing and get a little more practice…
Kind regards,
Stephan
Stephan,
Resting a sproinger pistol is most definitely not going to work. As you said, resting your forearm is probably the best you can expect.
Is not the FWB 80 a single stroke pneumatic? I would think that would benefit from being rested.
There are actually some people who still think that Olympian shooters are no athletes.
RidgeRunner,
the LP 80 is a springer with a rail the action can slide back on in order to cancel the recoil (like the 300S rifle). So yeah, it isn’t hold-sensitive.
I do know that some people (including BB) shoot springer pistols from a rest, sometimes with pretty good results. So I can probably do better with the LP5.
RR, the FWB is a springer, it uses the sledge system where the action recoils backwards within the frame when fired. And resets forward when cocked.
While not extremely physical, it does require physical conditioning, and the more you do, the better you get. 10m shooting is still an puts an enormous mental strain also.
Dry fire practice is extremely beneficial also.
Unfortunately as you get older, you have to make concessions, like optics.
My indoor range isn’t lit well enough for me to use the iron sights like I used to.
I had a bout with the Covid 19 that kept me in the house for a few weeks.
My wife and I both didn’t have a fever, but we did lose our sense of taste and smell.
That was very weird, one morning I woke up and started cooking bacon for breakfast and realized I couldn’t smell it.
It also makes you very short of breath, and you get tired very easily.
Just walking from one room to the other was a chore.
After a few weeks, and testing negative, I am back at work, but still not 100%.
After we started to recover, I started shooting again.
Two 5 shot groups with my daily shooter.
And yes I have it adjusted a couple of clicks to the right of center.
Ian
Ian,
I’ve never seen that Victor pistol before. It looks very well-made.
Does it really have less than 2 joules of energy? The holes in the target paper look a little too “clean” for that. What’s also weird is how they specify a relatively heavy pellet at 0.55 grams. Or does it actually mean that you need to use a 0.55g pellet if you’re in Taiwan in order to keep the power below 2J?
Those groups look seriously good. Did you shoot them rested at 10 meters?
I am in the USA.
I got it from the manufacture in Taiwan it is a very well-made pistol and I can tell you that the parts interchange with the alpha proj. it Used to cost 1/4 of what the Alpha cost.
also yes it was shot at 10 m with my forearms rested on a bag.
it comes from the factory set for 2J but it also includes the springs and instructions on how to make it more powerful for everyone else in the world.
The only differences are the Alfa comes with wood grips, and and a better designed regulator. Oh, and the front sight is a equilateral triangle, where the Alfa is asymmetrical with 3 different sight widths.
Having owned both, I am trying to see if I can get the most out of it.
Accuracy is exceptional as you can.
Those groups were shot with cheap Daisy wad cutters $1.99 for 250.
I the match pellets shoot a little better, but not for the difference in cost.
Ian.
Ian,
I really like the Alfa Proj. I wish I had picked up one years ago, but I picked up a brand new Izzy back in ’10 and haven’t had another air pistol stay very long at RRHFWA very long until this past year. Maybe if one wanders in I will invite it to stay.
I like the Alfa Proj also, I always wanted one, but never afford on.
I got this Listone Victor at basically dealer cost, and have gotten to know the owner of the company in Taiwan since getting the pistol.
And a few months later, I stumbled onto an Alfa Proj at a screaming deal at an estate sale.
In comparing the 2, I would venture they are made in the same plant.
I started to write a comparison between the 2, but since Pyramyd AIR only sells the Alfa, and they are an air arms importer, I would not do that.
The Alfa has a better designed regulator, nice wood grips, and the asymmetrical front sight for 3 different sight widths.
The parts do interchange, the Victor has more sharp edges that the Alfa doesn’t.
So the Victor was built to a price point, and the Air Arms is built to a higher price point.
After having used both, the level of accuracy between the 2 is negligible, same with the trigger.
B B wrote a blog about the Alfa several years back, I can say, the newer ones are regulated, but you only get 60 GOOD shots per fill, so, shoot your sightseers, then top off and shoot your match.
This one Taiwan pistol is “regulated” but the regulator is not working right, and I am tinkering with it.
I get 20very good shots from 180 bar to 120 bar.
If I fill it to 200 bar, I get 45 shots, then it dumps the air on shot 46.
I am going to drop the FPS some to see if I can flatten, and extend the curve.
I sold the Air arms to a friend, and gave him an Air Venturi G7 hand pump I had gotten in lieu of payment, it’s his first pcp, and he is enjoying it immensely.
With its very small reservoir, both pistols are a breeze to pump.
Listone, has changed importers to a single company that raised its price to almost the same as the Alfa, with no changes to the pistol.
Unless you find one at a screaming deal, Get the air arms, it has upgrades that this company doesn’t.
Ian..
RidgeRunner,
“There are actually some people who still think that Olympian shooters are no athletes.” Yup! Most of them are BIATHLETES! Lol!
In all seriousness all shooters, to include airgunners, need to do functional fitness to get the most out of the sport of shooting. Hunters, in places that still allow stalking, NEED to get out of their treestands! Airgun hunters need to walk the squirrel woods more!
shootski
B.B.
Shooting 1 1/2 MOA is very impressive!
Would a silver colored scope be less effected by heat? Doesn’t the nitrogen fill of the scope mitigate some of the increased temperature rise?
-Y
Yogi,
The Gas Laws apply equally to Nitrogen, Argon, Helium, and plain air. A silver scope wouldn’t be much better if at all. Navy patrol planes were once painted dark on tlhe bottom half of the fuselage and light on top. The idea was the dark bottom would radiate heat away and the light paint on the top would reflect the Sun light. It sounded good for years but really made no appreaciable difference when scientifically measured. It did, however, make them stand out against both a cloudy sky/ocean or blue sky/ground from below or above…great for AA Gunners or optical Missileers!
So shading scopes is very important. I do wonder if BB wasn’t experiencing some Mirage and a bit of variable crosswind that made the Mirage all the worse.
shootski
BB,
This air rifle is indeed one worthy of your cheerleaders outfit, although I personally would rather not see that. I have noticed that the PPPCP group is starting to get crowded. It seems that some of the companies have figured out that is what many in the U.S. market want. The big problem now is because of the plague, politics, etc. you can have a difficult time getting your grubby little paws on them.
Second Target
“The lenses in optics are in (in) precise packages with spacing that can be measured in millionths of an inch (0.00000254 mm).” Too many in’s
RR,
Somewhere I just read that one of the top end scope makers have their entire building built on a sand bed to isolate the machines from micro vibrations while grinding, etc.. I am not sure where I read it though. 🙁
Chris
Chris,
That is one of the myriad reasons I cannot afford “their” scopes.
RidgeRunner,
Also…millionths of an inch in millimeters? B.B. needs more to consume caffeine while he writes this stuff. Lol!
shootski
Shootski,
Ever seen knurling applied to slugs before?
https://nielsenspecialtyammo.com/products/348-gr-hp-bt-knurl-45-cal
Chris
Chris USA,
Yes. Why?
This was done (called screening) by some in Ball shooters powered by powder and air. Why take a near perfectly swaged or cast projectile and mess it up?
Obturation Happens!
shootski
Shootski,
Just curious and thought you might have an idea as you shoot big bore air guns. It seems to be the latest in “gadgetry” in the world of air gun slugs. At the least,.. it should reduce rifling contact/friction while still maintaining it,… so maybe some fps increase? Just trying to keep up.
Chris
Chris USA,
Screening/Knurling CAUSES LEAD SMEAR in the BORE!
Think on this: Screened Knurled bullet/ball sits in barrel. Air charge enters barrel pressure builds. Bullet/Ball starts to move… Absolute pressure begins to drop right then and there. Properly sized Bullet/Ball: Air charge enters barrel pressure builds and continues to build as projectile engraves/obturates in the Bore. Bullet/Ball finally starts to move after pressure build enough to do the work. Projectile, however, gets a way bigger kick in the butt (serious Physics talk)… Much, NO WAY HIGHER (more highfalutin Physics talk) Absolute pressure begins to drop right then and there. Result projectile goes way faster out the muzzle!
But much more is involved Screening (even the possibly more consistent Knurling) make for inconsistent engagement of the rifling! That makes for inconsistent muzzle velocities!
I follow the one thousandth oversize bullet/ball diameter in a bore that has been SLUGGED for actual bore size. Slugging a bore however is more than just determining the bore diameter, or even that of the Lands and Groves. Properly done slugging of a bore is like taking a walk through the bore while blindfolded and getting the feel of what a projectile experiences when you blast it down the bore and out of the muzzle!
TRENDY!!!!
shootski
Shootski,
Thank you for the perspective. These are boat tail no less. Like I said,… just trying to keep up.
Chris
Chris USA,
I did a little Internet search about this latest outburst of KNURLING!
Corbin is at the heart of it, AGAIN! They are selling a tool(s) to knurl bullets (slugs) as is one of the posters (“making “tool{s}) on the/a 3 letter forum. A few decades back i got all worked up about swaging my own projectiles…bought the basic book about it from CORBIN after reading it i filed the book and went back to learning how to cast better dead soft Lead projectiles. Knurling is reported to provide huge amounts of room for lubrication! But the tool(s) are best used with BN 6-8 Lead (Pb) that has very high lubricity all by itself! Conclusion:
S N A K E O I L! What was that pithy P.T. Barnum saying…..
shootski
Shootski,
Fine, fine job on weeding out the truth. Lubrication does make sense,… to the unwary. Nothing was mentioned on/of lubrication,… but I am sure that it will be coming along shortly. 😉 Like I said,… just trying to stay abreast of the slug craze.
Chris
That said,…. let us see what tops out in top competitions. I am (sure) that you can appreciate that. 😉
Chris USA,
As B.B. has said in the past I am prepared to eat my hat! If a large number of competitors cleanup in competitions with Knurled Slugs then bring me a Dark Chocolate hat! I like Tom’s take on most things shooting; but I am not a Fan Boy by any means…I doubt he wants them populating his forum. He has covered this very topic, projectile lubrication and accuracy, in a number of articles and Blogs on Big Bores. On this and a number of other topics I am in 100% agreement with him.
shootski
Shootski,
Out of room,…. like you,… just wanting to dig down to the truth of the matter. I,… unlike BB or you,… do not have that vast experience. Thus,… I will be hanging out awhile longer.
Chris
Too many zeros too? (.000001″ = .0000254mm)
I do not much care for fire ants either. But I do like that silencer on the Umarex Fusion 2. 😉
RR
Stop it.
😉
Gunfun1,
Hmmmm! Obsesive – Compulsive? smh!
shootski
Shootski
Or something.
No doubt, the Avenger is the king of the price point PCPs tested so far. To realize it’s potential; However, you still have to invest about $600-700 in a carbon fiber tank and fill station, so you’re looking at a total price of almost $1000. A Diana 54 is looking better and better as an alternative.
Brent
Brent,
I would not say that. For a very reasonable price you can get your hands on a decent hand pump that will work very well with this air rifle.
/product/air-venturi-g9-hand-pump-4500-psi?a=9166
Also, there is a new kid in town, the Umarex Origin. It comes with a hand pump for about $350.
That is the real sweet thing about these PPPCP’s. Most are setup to be used with a hand pump.
RR and Chris,
Since I shoot field target (try to shoot would be a better term), a tank is a better choice. And since the Avenger, has a potential to go a full match before a refill, a 80 ft.³ carbon tank would be the best choice. For now, my Maximus Euro with a buddy tank Will do fine for me.
Brent
Brent,
While some might get a (small) tank in the mix,.. I think that 99% of hand pumpers go direct to the gun. No way would I want to hand pump even a small tank like my Guppy. I have a Shoebox. Even then, it takes about 21 minutes to go from 3700 to 4450 (checking my log just now).
Chris
Brent
Buy a China pump for 200 bucks and fill the gun directly. The China pump would probably fill the gun in about 60 seconds at the most.
Way easier to use verses a hand pump and costs about the same as a hand pump and fills way faster.
Hi Gunfun1,
Do you have the model number for the pump that you recommended?
Thanks,
Hw360
Search Yong Heng compressor.
Thank you, Gunfun1, I will do research.
Can PCP compressor do other things besides inflating PCP? For example, blow out water in sprinkler Irrigation System before winter. If it can, it makes more sense to buy a compressor.
Hw360
I’m thinking no it can’t do that with the irrigation system. It does not flow a high volume of air. I believe one time someone asked if it would fill a inflatable raft. Again I would say no.
What it does do is build high pressure in a smaller area. Like a air gun resivor. And fast. So again it’s about volume
If you get one of those compressors to fill a pcp you will be surprised how fast it fills a airgun. It will fill in seconds depending on the gun and how high of pressure you want to fill to. Of course more volume and a higher pressure will take a bit longer.
I think you will be surprised how well it fills a air gun. Especially for how much it costs. And its self contained. So you don’t need a first stage shop compressor to use it.
Ah, that’s unfortunate.
I wish there were multi-purpose compressors, saving spaces in my garage. 🙂
Hw360
Know what you mean about saving space in the garage. But you got to set your priorities. Ya know what I mean. 🙂
I’m very impressed with the Avenger, it’s a heck of a lot of rifle – fully featured and reasonably-priced!
Really glad that there are so many affordable PPPCPs on the market for airgunners to choose from, great for our sport!
Hank
Hank,
Off topic!
What just happened in Canada? I’m hearing all sorts of rumors that your Justin Trudeau the Prime Minister is showing Totalitarian Tendencies! Banning with the stroke of his pen 1,500 weapons by Make/Model most of which are AR-15 platforms.
shootski
Shootski,
Trudeau is a slippery & slimy politician (I am being “polite”) who is very good a buying votes to stay in office. Over his reign (yeah, he thinks he is royalty) he has taken advantage of his position, broken the law and wiggled out of the consequences a couple of times. He is not very popular at the moment (he is under pressure to resign) and is doing anything to try to strengthen his position.
I think that this new gun legislation is just another attempt to gain votes and support from the larger volume of voters in the cities (the mostly non-gun owning community) by taking away the rights of the smaller group of gun owning rural people.
Trudeau pushed the gun legislation through the system without the typical review and process while everybody was focused on virus issues – sneaky as usual. There are a a number of legal actions that have been taken out against the government on this issue.
We will have to see what happens.
Hank
Hank,
You got “slippery and slimy” up your way too? I somehow had this imagery of vast pine forest, endless lakes and log cabins in my mind’s eye. 😉
Sneaky they can be. Correction: Are
Still gettin’ on with the new Impact ok? Tried any slugs yet?
Chris
Chris, politicians are universal.
No matter what the language..
Poly means many.
Ticks are small blood suckers.
Politics, =many small blood suckers.
45Bravo,
The phrase “Preachin’ to the choir” comes to mind. 😉
Chris
Chris,
You are right about the wide open spaces up here. Lots of lakes, there’s at least a dozen within 20 minutes drive with my favorite being about 12 miles from home.
Getting on fine with the Impact, started experimenting with the tune. Lots of power available if I want to go there. I have 800 slugs in stock but I want to spend some time with pellets (specifically the JSB Monster Redesigned ) before I get in to them.
Take care, stay safe!
Hank
Hank,
May the Good Lord protect us all!
Keep your POWDER and air DRY!
shootski
Hank,
Have you seen the latest video by Ted’s Holdover?
“Making Sense of all these darn FX Barrels | Smooth Twist vs STX vs Superior vs Sup Heavy”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAktGSJeors
Geo
Geo,
Yes, thanks for pointing that out. Been following any and all developments on the Impact for about two years.
The Impact comes with the pellet barrel and I have a .22/700 mm slug barrel for testing as well.
The plan is to set up the gun for 25 grain JSB pellets and slugs for 75 – 125 yard shooting at 45 – 50 fpe . I’ll see how it goes, most likely I will pick up one of the new liners to try out.
I like that FX has a “continuous improvement ” approach for their products and that older models can be upgraded if desired.
Cheers!
Hank
BB,
I wonder if there is a market for white colored match scopes. I would think that a white scope would take the heat a lot better. In the competitive world, looks follow results, but a white scope might also look good. A scope that was not effected by the heat would sell.
I guess you could wrap a scope with white tape and see if it makes any difference.
David Enoch
David,
See my response to Yogi above. We taped our rifles and scopes with white for ice/snow ops but it was for camouflage only. The absolutely worst thing you can do to a scope is let the Sun shine directly into the Objective lens. After years of wasted breath I can only snicker when hunters or shooters carry muzzle up with lens caps open or worse still off! “Can’t miss my lifetime shot getting my scope ready!”
shootski
BB,
I put the externally adjustable ‘Flex Regulator’ on my Prod. A wrench comes with the regulator
that makes it easy to raise or lower the regulated output. This Hajimoto tuned reg stays within
4 seconds for the entire shot string. Way better than the JDSAirman internals I had.
How about 100 yds w/some slugs on the Avenger? Make the Optika work a little harder?
Nice shooting
R
1stblue
And the shooter too. 🙂
B.B.,
You didn’t talk about any wind only Sun and the warmish temperature? With the scope you have described as your best ever, allows you to almost resolve the 10m dot, you have joined the Mirage effect game. If you go slightly out of focus on the objective you will see the heat waves run. If you do it enough you can estimate your wind strength and direction!
This is a half way decent article on the topic: http://southtexasshooting.org/multimedia/text/mirage.html
shootski
PS: Reading your targets I’m fairly certain it wasn’t you, your bench, or the Avenger (great airplane too!) and pellets! You need me to come down and spot for you! Or run videos of your targets for us!
Warmish?, except for Friday and Saturday it was in the upper 90s with a heat index of well over 100.
It sounds like you were part of a sniper team. If you were in the Middle East, I guess that does sound warmish to you, LOL. If you had to leave a rifle set on target for long periods of time how did you keep it cool?
Thanks for your service Shootski,
David Enoch
David,
You are very welcome! I was a US Naval Aviator flying Reconnaissance/Special Operations Missions; not a Sniper, but got to run around with Operators to learn what they did and teach them what we could do for them. They used natural and existing cover if possible; netting burlap bags, cardboard, branches, trash…you name it…just about anything that provided shade and more importantly concealment.
I learned a great deal from them and I can’t stop myself, even now!
shootski
Shootski
My dad was a sniper in the Army in the Korean war but they didn’t call him that. They called him and his unit civil engineers. They made sure a area was secured before they surveyed and layd out the MASH units and helped organize the clearing and construction.
My dad definitely had some interesting things to say about the war. And I was lucky enough that he taught me and my brother about shooting.
But yes heat and cold take more tole than people think.
Oh and by the way not only scopes. Take a pcp thats been in a air conditioned house and take it out in a 95 degree day and see what the pressure does in your gun. A regulated gun it might not matter so much but can be a problem with non regulated guns.
Oh and I seen many nitrous bottles at the dragstrip blow off and dump the bottle at the dragstrip. You had to have a blow off tube that exited the car if you wanted to run your car. Otherwise you could have a white cloud go off inside the car. Talk about a zero visibility fog.
So yes temprature and sun is important in many ways.
BB, I am proud you take the sting of the fire ant. You were not complaining, just demonstrating hard training.
The Marine movie Sandfleas?
Best,
R
R,
I thought you had to kill and cook whatever was about to eat you (or was eating you) to be hard core? 😉
Hard core +1 would be to kill it and it raw.
Hard core +2 would be (not) to kill it and still eat it.
Chris
Disclaimer: Comment might have been influenced by tough guy/warrior Hollywood movies! 🙂
B.B.
I believe I am not alone when I say this rifle deserves a 100 yards test.
😉
Enlil,
I have thought the same,…. but from experience,.. things fall apart pretty quickly past 50 yards. Not always, but most times. I think 50 is a good test. If hunting small pest,… a 1″ kill zone is the max. you want to be.
Chris
It will probably take a year but I will have an Avenger 22 .If BB does all this testing (50 – 100 yd. slugs?).What am I going to do for the first month after I get mine, wait for a squirrel to raid the pear tree? Shoot the tops from dandelions?
Thanks for the 50 yd. testing! I know it’s not your normal routine.But you just had to know,didn’t you? We are all glad you went the extra mile to show us just how special this air rifle is. The best of this century. Was there one from last century or any other that comes close?
To B.B. Pelletier: As impressed as you were with the Avenger – “I’m calling it the best airgun I have tested this century!” And, the Avenger is a duly impressive $300 PCP. So seems the Umarex Origin as well.
I’m surprised ya didn’t offer to keep the rifle? Or, did you. As for me, I’m waiting to see how the rifle fares after extensive real-world use before I commit to order one.
I ordered a .177 Gauntlet before the barrel-band became standard … I knew, I shoulda’ waited longer. LOL https://airgunwarriors.com/community/airgun-talk/crossed-the-rubicon-first-pcp-purchases/
I know this is a year and half old review series, but I must say I thoroughly enjoyed it and it reinforced my choice of the Avenger 22 as my first pcp air gun, Also, the new ones have hard styrofoam inserts in the stock to reduce the hollow sound. I am loving mine so far and shooting the best groups that I have ever shot.
Honest Bob,
We are still reviewing Avengers, only now it is the bullpup.
BB