by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier
The Bersa BB pistol looks very much like the firearm.
This report covers:
- The test
- Daisy BBs
- ASG Blaster BBs
- Crosman Copperhead BBs
- Shooting evaluation
Today we look at the accuracy of the Bersa BP9CC BB pistol. Several readers are interested because of the small size of this BB pistol. And in Part 2 we discovered that it delivers all the power that’s advertised.
I decided to use the same 3 BBs for today’s test as were used in the velocity test. One of them — the Daisy Premium Grade BB — gave significantly lower velocity than the other 2, and I thought that might make it a little more accurate, because it is tighter in the barrel.
The range was 5 meters and the gun was shot with my hand resting on the UTG Monopod. I have found this rest to be the handiest rifle and pistol field rest I’ve ever used. The way I hold it locks the gun solidly and is as steady as a bipod.
Since I had high hopes for the Daisy BBs, they went first. The first shot landed just below and slightly to the left of the aim point at 6 o’clock. Ten BBs made a group that measures 1.348-inches between centers.
Ten Daisy Premium Grade BBs made this group at 5 meters. It measures 1.348-inches between centers.
ASG Blaster BBs
Next up were Blaster BBs from ASG. They went to the same general point of impact, but a couple shots were very wide. Since I didn’t call any pulled shots, they could only come from the ASG BB being less accurate than the Daisy. Ten BBs went into a group at 5 meters that measures 2.348-inches between centers. Yes, that is exactly one inch larger than the Daisy group, but don’t make too much of it. The measurement error on BB holes is easily 40-60 thousandths of an inch.
Nine of the 10 BBs went into 1.398-inches. I didn’t call any pulled shots, but those 9 shots are closer to what the Daisy BBs did.
Ten ASG Blaster BBs made this group at 5 meters. It measures 2.348-inches between centers. That lone shot at the bottom was not called.
Crosman Copperhead BBs
The final BB I tried was the Crosman Copperhead. You may recall this was the fastest BB in the velocity test. Copperheads averaged slightly higher on target and slightly more centered than the other two. At 5 meters 10 of them went into a group that measures 2.231-inches between centers.
As with the ASG BBs, there is a single flier that opened up this group. Nine Copperheads are in 1.978-inches. That’s not as small as the 9 ASGs, but I thought it was interesting that both BBs gave me a single flier. The Daisys gave no fliers.
Ten Crosman Copperhead BBs made this group at 5 meters. It measures 2.231-inches between centers.
The first thing I noticed is how sharp and clear the sights are. Part of that is due to how close the front sight is to the rear, but the rear notch is wide enough to allow good light on either side of the front blade. These sights are ideally suited to target shooting.
Next I noticed that the trigger that I had thought was easy to pull in earlier tests was actually harder than I had imagined. Stage two is crisp, but it feels heavier than the 4 lbs. 8 oz. I measured in Part 2. I think that is due to the pistol’s small grip frame. The trigger finger is closer to the palm of your hand than it would be in a larger pistol, so there is less ergonomic advantage when pulling it.
I do like the size and shape of the grip, though. It feels great in the hand and sice the firearm is chambered for 9mm Luger there couldn’t be enough recoil to worry about. In the BB gun, the recoil imparted by blowback is quick and light. I promised a reader to show the slide in the rear position, so here you go.
The Bersa slide doesn’t come back very far. It goes a quarter-inch farther back than this but it springs back to this position where the slide lock grabs it.
I will tell you that inserting a fresh magazine trips the slide lock, closing the slide for firing. The next time it remains open the gun needs to be reloaded. I’ve never experienced that in a pistol before — air or firearm. I think I like it.
The Bersa BP9CC BB pistol is a fun gun to shoot. The sights are very clear and the 2-stage trigger, while a little heavy, is at least very crisp. I wish the pistol was more accurate, but for a general-purpose BB pistol it does okay. I guess if you want accuracy in a BB pistol you look at something else. If you want a gun that’s fun to shoot, this could be the one.
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Thanks for the extra photo, B.B. Much appreciated.
An interesting little gun. May it sell so well that it will inspire an Airsoft version, and then other similar reproductions like the Kahr, Shield, etc. 🙂
I also like that the slide locks when empty and auto-deployment of the first round of the next clip and I thought all semi-auto pistols were supposed to do it until I emptied my Makarov the first time and mentioned it to my Dad.
Thanks for doing this report.
I’ve had my all-black Bersa for a long time now, and I have come to think of it and my Walther PPK BB pistol as kind of a pair. They are both small, feel great in the hand, are heavy for their size, have a nice trigger, and bounce nicely in the hand. I have a Walther CP99 Compact that has the same characteristics, except it is more accurate. I imagine the Walther PPS has the same feel and shooting characteristics as these other three.
The Bersa and PPK are among my least accurate of my airguns, so I only use them for outdoor plinking. Even then, I always bring out larger targets (often dozen-&-a-half egg cartons) in addition to aluminum pop cans, as they do not hit the cans every time at the roughly 25 feet I shoot from. Even though they are not terribly accurate, they are so fun to shoot that I like them anyway.
That sums it up for me, too. Not a terribly accurate gun, but so fun to hold and shoot that yo9u can forgive a lot of that.
Questions for you all.
Anyone on: beeman r1/hw 80 .25 carabine?
Im thinking of buying one this week. I already got a .22 long barrel, but Im thinking of buying one in .25 with short barrel. I think the .25 will do about 17 fp. Anyone got experience with this gun?
It sounds like a handy short range game dropper but it’s beyond anything I’ve ever been able to afford.
Thats what I intend to use it for.
If my memory serves me well….. you bought a box full of rifles…. so I maybe you can afford more than you admit:)
Some people claim pellets bouncing off their quarries at 30m with that calibre. So I not sure what to do
What range are you hunting at? I’d say 30m may be beyond its effective range but I don’t see a Metalmag bouncing off much so pellet selection may be very crucial to using it for taking game.
We have a feral cat problem around here. They are hanging around our bird feeder.
Im in the market for new rifle. Somehow Ive been intreged in the .25 r1/hw80k. I dont know if the .22 r1 can do the job, reckoned up to 25 yards would be a better choice. But Ill probably lose 1 or 2 foodpound with the larger bore.
Thought my next rifle would be a .22 lgv, but know those feral cats found our bird feeder. …..
A well placed neck shot with either of those calibers should be more humane thananything else as long as it’s still got 12fpe or so at the target.
dutch: On the feral cats… buy a havahart trap and dispose of them humanely. Up close and personal,or take them to a shelter. Cats especially an old tom has VERY tough skin/hides. I’ve seen a vet bend a needle on a feral tom farm cat giving rabies shots. As far as a proper gun if you can use one where the problem is . I would recomend (based on personal experience ,BTW) , a shotgun in 12-20 gauge and turkey loads of copper plated #4’s. I cringe when I see folks discusssing shooting bigger stuff(coons,cats, fox ,coyotes) with springers and MSP at ranges exceeding point blank range. Just saying…
I am building a trap for the cats. Im planning to catch them with it. Thing is…. I had them in my hw80s sights a few times…. but didnt pull the trigger cos I wasnt sure if I wouldnt just wound the animal. Thats why I didn’t make those shots. I inquired here to see what you guys had to say.
But I get your point. You must understand, last thing I want is to injure the animal and having it running away in pain.
.22 rimfire is no option in this case.
dutch, Good call, and I commend your restraint and responsible attidude. Trouble is , as you surmised,you would probably just wound and if the cat were discovered it would give a black eye to the sport. When you get to twenty yards and further that pellet that has 17 ft/lbs at 6 feet has a lot less energy. I’ve dispatched many furbearers in traps at close range even using airguns ,but it was point blank range, and humane dispatch was VERY important . Perhaps you could also move your feeder out of reach of the cats as well. Many issues with pests can be solved by altering our behavior and enviroment. That being said , the R-1 is a great gun and will serve very well for squirrel and rabbit hunting if you you do your part.
I urge you not to shoot cats. Many places have a TNR (trap, neuter, release) program to control feral cat populations. If you feel you must kill them, at least use something that will kill them instantly. Personally, I would never do that.
Les. I have had 2 cats myself, im not a cruel man. There is no such program in our country.
But as I stated, Ill trap them.
Here in the United States, that would get you some jail time and fines to be sure. Maybe even an unwanted interview on the 5:00 PM news. So in less words,…a taboo subject.
Yes, we have feral cats and yes we have programs that deal with them at a variety of levels. Coyotes,..in this part,..do pretty well on taking care of unattended animals,..small dogs, cats, etc. Feral or not, shooting a cat is a no-no.
From the sounds of it, shotgun and .22 LR are out. All I can say,…is (close range) and (well placed) if your going the air gun route. Maybe get a cat hating dog?
In your defense, your up Netherlands way,…are you not? (If) in fact that type of feral cat control is acceptable,…then I do not see an issue with it,…done humanely. I think it is important to realize that other countries have different takes on hunting,…whatever the quarry.
I would try any and all “other” routes first. No cat related laws up your way?
Animal control in these parts have a PCP on the truck so as not t violate the city ordinance prohiting discharge of firearms in the city limits.
Chris. We do have a cat hating dog. Speaking abour cruelty….. Ive seen him catch a cat and leave it crippled and half dead.
We do have laws in Holland. Those laws protect feral animals too….. but the gouvernment doesnt help with programmes. … so you gotta take matters in your own hands
Who pays for the TNR program?
And it does not solve the problem. There would still be feral cats preying on the birds and other animals. In many parts of the country, the population of song birds has drastically decreased because of an over abundance of feral cats.
I am going to add that we are cat people but our cats are always spayed or nutered as kittens.
The TNR programs I know of are supported by private donations of cash and work donated by veterinarians.
It won’t prevent feral cats from killing birds and other animals (sometimes, that in itself can be a good idea). But it will keep the feral cats from reproducing. The feral cats need to eat something, and if the birds are on the bottom of the food chain, too bad for them. Remember, those cats also kill harmful birds and rodents.
I have had cats for the past 60 years. My cats (2) are spayed or neutered.
So is there no air gun anyone can recommend for taking of whitetail deer Im asking because me buddys say thats not possible and I want to prove them wrong
This reminds me of a blog comment which reported that crows shot in the head with a certain pellet would only blink and shake their heads. The commenter concluded that those crows sure had some tough heads. 🙂
I like the idea of moving the feeder and trapping and neutering as a way to solve the problem and prevent needless suffering to the animal. But if it has to be eliminated, the shotgun idea sounds most reliable to me.
I don’t know what your bird feeder is like but if its the type that hangs from a pole in the middle of the yard or field so that the cats have to jump up on the feeder to get the food or birds or are climbing up the pole another trick you can use that will not affect the birds but prevent cats and squirrels from getting up the pole by climbing or hanging on to it is to grease it with vasoline very heavily so that it is to slippery for them to grip and therefore they will either just slide down the pole as they try to climb it or if they jump on it to get to the bird feed will slip and fall off and will eventually get discouraged and look for an easier meal elsewhere.
Plus it is hilarious to watch them trying to get up the pole to get to the bird feed since they just keep sliding back down or slipping off if they jump onto it.
We have a special erea in the garden, specially made for birds. Different feeders and vegetation and bush that attracts all kinds of songbirds. We’ve also got birds that are rare. The cats simply hide and jump on birds if they are on the ground
I used to have a problem with trash being pulled out of the burn barrel while living in the piney woods of Easy Texas so one night I stayed out there with a flashlight in one hand and my Remington550 in the other expecting a coon or possum… Well it wasn’t but the plague of trash all over the yard ended right then.
Ok then the Vaseline will not work since they are ambushing on the ground and its a predator /prey scenario.
The other suggestion of a dog that will chase off the cats is one alterative also. but then that is also determined by just how big the feral cats are because if they are just normal sized wild domestic sized cat a Jack Russel terrier will keep them at bay quite well as well as squirrels also.
If they are bigger bobcat sized feral cats then they would likely kill the Jack Russel as well and a bigger terrier would be in order like a Stafforshire terrier or more commonly known as a pit bull which would easily kill even coyotes and larger predators if properly trained.
We’ve got that terrain covered. We have a 95 pounds molosser protection dog. Problem is he kills the cats or he mauls them severe. We once found a peice of a cats jaw.
Law wise, we are fine. If a feral or domestic cats enters OUR property, and our dog caches them, then we cannot be sued. Same for burglars…. but there is a catch: we have to put warning signs on the fence. As long they are there, the dog can attack without we being sued. If we have no warning signs, we’re screwed…… cos the judge will say:
“The burglar did not know he put his health at stake by entering the property”
Those are some strange laws.
Signs are cheap insurance against being sued and I hope you have them at every entrance or spot that a person could or would try to enter as it know I would.
Here in Alabama being the heart of Dixie and redneck heaven we do not need any sign as we have what is called a castle doctrine law which states you have the right to defend your property with deadly force against any who trespass without the need for a sign to warn of any risk by entering the property so be it dog or gun if you set foot on my property to do harm to me or my property you put your life in my hands and all I have to say is my life was in danger and I am within the law to use whatever force deemed necessary to stop the threat.
So here it is enter at your own risk
Much thanks for solving my sign-in problem. It is really good to be able to post again.
This looks like a fun little gun. It reminds me of my Umarex PPKS bb pistol. I have had two of these, the first one apparently more accurate than most, the second one not so much.
Since I’ve been gone, I got my CCW permit. I have a 1965 East German Makarov. Now I want a bb version.
Around here in western Nebraska, 9×18 Makarov ammunition is easier to find than .22LR!
I’m glad to have you back. I will thank the PA IT department for you.
Good to be back. Thanks.
How’s that Makarov shooting for you?
Shoots just fine. Sunday I was shooting with full mag (8 rounds) +1.
I noticed that the ammo made by Blount in Idaho shoots with louder report and more recoil than the Chinese or Hungarian stuff.
This gun has never given me any problems, once I figured out how to put it back together after taking the slide off.
I got a hold of some really hot PMC 9×18 in the nonreloadable alloy caseback in the day, it shot well but it felt like it could be hard on the gun. Sure do miss that gun!
I’m going to get an inside the belt holster, and a Don Johnson-style shoulder holster for concealed carry.
The Crosman small web holster sold for the PPKS fits the Makarov just fine for open carry.
When I got mine back in ’89 it came with a holster, cleaning rod and spare magazine all for $179.
I’d do that again!
You got a steal on that gun! I can’t find any spare magazines for mine.
That hot 9×18 with the aluminum case sounds like what I liked so well. I bought it second-hand, don’t know the original source. I thought it would make better self-defense ammo than the standard stuff.
I paid $250 for my Makarov and thought it was a heck of a deal. The gun looked like it had been barely used.
Yeah, mine was brand new too, it still only had about 50 rounds through it when someone stole it outta the bottom of my duffle bag.
Sounds like you got a good deal on yours too.
Hope it does all you need it to.
You’re kidding. One of my reservations about that pistol is the availability of the 9X18mm ammo. On the other hand, saying that it is more available than .22LR is not saying that much, at least based on Midway USA. The stuff is incredibly hard to find, and I’m grateful that I stocked up years ago.
By the way, I’m about to order another pistol in 9mm Luger, and there is no shortage of that most popular pistol round on the planet.
My local gun store owner owns a Makarov himself, so he tries to keep some 9×18 in stock. Locally, it is much easier to find than .22LR. Any .22 other than LR seems to have disappeared completely.
The 9×18 bullet is bigger than the 9×19 bullet. I tried putting a 9×18 bullet into an empty 9×19 case and it was too big to fit.
There was a good article on the Makarov in last month’s American Rifleman magazine.
They make ideal carry guns due to the slim and light design,IMO and pound for pound they pack a good wallop in a small package.
I saw a lady looking for a target to shoot with her new .380. I steered her toward the self healing targets due to the jacketed ammo but I have seen 9mm lead bullets so I just may have to try one.
Off subject here a bit.
Just figured I would post that I’m getting that RWS 46e in .22 caliber that I was talking about over the weekend.
Thanks to all for answering my questions about the rifle. You all helped me with the decision on this one. Now I can’t wait to get it. 🙂
Not familiar with this rifle, but I should mention that I spotted an RWS 48 at the shooting range the other day. One of my favorite rifles.
Otherwise, what I noticed was the number of tactical pistols which seem to be very cut down version of assault type rifles. What their purpose is I have trouble seeing. The assault style rifles like the M4 are already optimized for being short and handy. What do you gain by cutting them down even further? Other than their looks, all I can think of is specialized home defense so that you don’t have to reload and for someone who doesn’t have the skill with a regular pistol.
It’s a underlever lever and it has a flip open breech to load the pellet. BB compares it to being somewhat similar to a AirArms Tx.
Side lever !!!!
AND a sliding breech .
My mistake…thought you were talking about the 48 that matt mentioned.
You must’ve missed the link someone shared the other day. It’s a different if not unique design putting your fingers in minimal peril.
I posted the link to the RWS 46e over the weekend.
It’s a pretty good blog. BB did it back in 2005. It’s basically a comparison of the 46e and the Tx 200.
It looks like a cool gun,
Congratulations! Can’t wait to hear how it shoots.
Thanks and I hope it shoots good too. We’ll see.
Thought about getting a 54 air king again but the 46 came along. Heck probably will still get another 54 down the road. 🙂
Sometimes you just gotta snatch a deal up before someone else gets a chance.
I talked to the guy about this model B today and he said call back tomorrow and he’s looking for the shot tube because I know it’s missing.
It would be a nice gun to shoot offhand with about half a tube of lead BB’s for ballast! It’s a solid little gun.
Yep it about did get away. A guy did buy it. But when he got it he said it wasn’t powerful enough for him. So the guy at work called and told me that I could get it from the guy if I still want it.
Well of course I said yes. But probably can’t get the gun till Monday. That guys out of town till Friday and the guy at work has to get it Saturday. So that means I won’t see it till Monday.
Oh well that’s fine with me. At least I got it. 🙂
You know anybody that has a 46e?
I would like to get some opinions on what pellet it likes.
The one I’m getting is .22 caliber.
No , no idea .
I have thought about a 34 and a Stutzen a lot of times though .
Do you mean this gun?
I keep thinking about getting one of them also. More wants than money right now though.
I remember drooling over that one but it’s too rich for my blood.
Maybe you get some of them guns going you could get you one of your dream guns.
By the way I don’t know if I have ever heard you say if you had a specific gun that’s up on the higher dollar end of the price scale. You got one you would want?
As long as it’s illegal to take game with an airgun I can’t see spending that much money for one.
That said: I really like the Recluse and AR-6 wheel guns and was hopeful for the Carnivores.
I’m really hoping to get this model B shooting so I can get the lead roundballs shooting outta my system, I’m sure that would be OK wth B.B.
I’ve got a couple ideas for displays for next year’s show so I’ll probably get a table myself so long as all goes well. Not having to mess with the 958 was a load off and farming out the model B is a no-brainer.
I know Buldawg wants this 3120 & I’ll get back to it when I get the model B in safe hands.
I like the .30 caliber Carnivore too. They got the .35 caliber version too. But just like the . 30 for some reason.
Still would like to see BB do a review on one.
Rick was having good luck with his .30 but that’s about all I’ve been able to find on them so I guess you’re right about needing another review
Got the money, but when I look at weight and power level, I ask myself “what for ?” . I have things pretty well covered as is . Not in a big hurry to buy another gun that will probably need work right out of the box .
Pretty much the same here.
And I like that 430 Stutzen but I think is closer to being a magnum. So I kind of stayed away from it for that reason. The 46e is more of a medium power springer I believe. I just hope it shoots smooth and I don’t have to do anything to it.
And you been having any starlings around? I been having them out in the corn feild. And there just so happens to be a tree line that runs down the right side of the house to the corn feild. They been going from the trees to the corn feild.
I snuck up on them today and shot 3 of them one right after the other at about 45 yards away with the Tx. It’s like they didn’t even hear the Tx shoot with all the sqwauking they were doing. Plus I was shooting standing unsupported. So that was kind of a surprise for me. I been practicing here and there but really ain’t went out and shot that way for along time now.
Badly out of practice here . Almost no shooting for a couple years other than shooting starlings off the suet block in the winter . Spent some time shooting the R7s out in the back yard the last two days to get my trigger finger back in condition .
Have to get back into swing . My crabapple is loaded with bait this year . Need snow or ice on the ground to score big on the filthy black vermin this winter .
Trapping yellow jackets right now . They want apples . Found a better bait than the factory suggests . Instead of mixing the attractant with water, unfiltered apple juice (cider) really brings them in . Got a few white face hornets too .
Was wondering what you been up to.
But sounds like you got a lot of trigger time comming to me. Now you just got to get out and do it.
Gunfun1: Mine likes the Crosman Premiers the best, but isn’t terribly fussy. RWS Superdomes do well too.
Ok thanks. I think I may have one tin of the premiers left.
Try any of the 15.89 JSB’s in yours?
Fascinating to see shooting at my favorite distance of 5 meters. On the subject of accuracy, I’ve had great consistent luck in my Walther Nighthawk with the H&N Terminator pellets. Previously, the Walther had been giving me extraordinarly heavy trigger pulls with my usual RWS Hobbys. The weight felt like 25 pounds. However, the H&N pellets have a normal trigger pull and some impressive accuracy. Even Derrick cannot figure out why pellet choice would cause a difference. My only theory is that the Hobbys might have a slightly wider skirt that causes more resistance in the pellet clips. But I don’t know.
Buldawg, sounds like you could have had quite a career as a soldier if you enjoy adrenaline and believe that your fate is determined in advance. That is just like the Swedish Army prior to the Great Northern War in the early 18th century. They were highly trained and a strict form of Calvinism led them to believe that their time of death was predetermined which made them utterly fearless.
I’m also reminded of a famous poem called Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard. The poet asks what would have happened to famous people if they didn’t have the opportunities which made them famous. What would Achilles have done without a Trojan War? I guess we know the answer which is that he would be driving a Dodge Challenger at 96 mph at night along a river! 🙂
Thanks for answering my question about how to convert a muscle car into a sports car which sounds like a vindication of the muscle car. The track package which converts the Mustang GT350 to the track-ready R version is $13,000, which, out of a base price of something like $50,000, is not that much.
The Carroll Shelby story about being compelled to modify Mustangs under duress is like Tony Stark being compelled to build a weapon and emerging with an Ironman suit. So, did Shelby do something new or was he just a better craftsman than others?
On the subject of scope height over bore, there was another interesting bit of data from my range sessions. I zeroed the M1 very carefully at 50 yards. Then, I moved to 100 yards ready to pull the trigger on groups, but my first three shots were at the very top of the paper! This was just like my experience with the Saiga. So, either I’m doing something very strange in moving between distances (more than possible) or I miscounted the clicks when zeroing at 50 yards (not likely). One final possibility that occurred to me is that I was zeroing with a 6 o’clock hold. With the targets I was using that is something like 4 inches from point of impact at 50 yards. So even though the M1’s sights are as low to the bore as possible, this sighting adjustment constitutes a significantly different angle to the bore than a center hold, and maybe this transferred to the 100 yard zero just like a high scope height. Anyway, this reinforces my opinion that scope height over bore, impact point of zero at various distances and now the type of sight picture are all versions of the same principle which is the convergence of the sight line, boreline, and bullet trajectory.
Now if Chairgun allowed you to input the type of sight picture–6 o’clock hold versus centerhold–I would be very impressed. And as yet another point of view, consider this. Clint told me that when he was shooting competitively, he did not use the 6 o’clock hold which is standard for the M1A that he was using. Instead he put the post 2/3 of the way from the top of the bull. His reason was that this picture gave him an area to aim at instead of a point. This makes absolutely no sense to me at all because a 2/3 area is very ill-defined where point of contact with the bottom of a bull in a 6 o’clock hold is much more precise. However, using this method, he was a two time winner of the Nathan Hale Trophy at Camp Perry (1973-74) for the top civilian shooter! Don’t know what to make of this.
I almost enlisted in 1974 at the encouragement from my father as he was a lifer in the Air Force and was a retired LT Colonel. I went as far as taking the ASVAB test but was going to enlist in the Marines and volunteer for RECON out of boot camp but got a job as a mechanic and that ended my military career.
I have always enjoyed the rush from adrenalin you get when you tempt fate and live to feel the rush afterwards. I have been thrown of my dirt bikes at 100 mph and walk away and wrecked in cars that I was thrown out of since there was no seat belts to be worn as it had none from the factory and again walk away so I have tempted fate more times than I can count and is why I believe that our day is out there and nothing we will do in our life will change that until it is our time to meet the Lord.
Driving the challenger was just one of the crazy/ insane thing have done in my life as I have raced a 9.5 second quarter mile KZ1000 dragbike that is now my need for speed street legal stoplight to stoplight crotch rocket killer since it does not wheelie and will leave most Busas and Ninjas sitting at the light trying to leave while fighting the bike trying to wheelie on them while I end up waiting the next light for them to catch up. They will outrun me in top end but not from light to light unless they have a lengthened swingarm. I have a 500 cc dirt bike that will do 80 mph wheelies all day long but unfortunately I am no longer in the shape to do it on the bike now but in my 20s and 30s it was a normal thing to ride a wheelie for miles at 80 to 90 mph just because I could.
Carroll Shelby was just a more determined and skilled racer that thought outside the box much like Max Buchowski did with Old yeller. By taking a light aluminum bodied British sports car that used a 4 cylinder engine and replacing it with the 289 and then the 427 ford V8s he created an already well handling sports car into a beast that with the 427 side oiler in it set a record back in 1967 that was not broken until 05 or 06 by a Maserati or Lambo and that was 0 mph to 100 mph and back to 0 mph in 12 seconds. that is the how and why he beat the high dollar sports cars at their own game by being able to corner as good as they could but have far more motor under the hood to walk away from them down the straights. Hence the American muscle car was born and the actual start of the muscle car craze was attributed to the 1964 Pontiac GTO that Fred Wagners and John Delorean created out of a Pontiac Tempest with the Catalina 389 and 421 motors under the hoods that in 64 out ran the 327 fuelie vette in showroom stock at the quarter mile by turning a 12.70 off the showroom floor in as delivered trim. I know because I had one that was a 389 three two barrel, four speed and posi rear end with delete everything except an alternator and AM radio and the car weighed 2875 pounds when the 67 six cylinder Camaro weighed 3300 pounds.
I would make this of it Matt,,, that repeating the same sight pattern with the same weapon 10,000 times,, will win more matches than changing sight patterns for different distances.
I got a hold of Larry today, he’s gotta see if he has a shot tube for it because that’s the first thing I noticed was missing.
I’ll find out tomorrow when I call back.
Thanks for your help!
Larry is a good resource for Daisy BB guns. If he doesn’t have what you need, I’m sure he’ll suggest what to do next.
If I could make out the stamping I’d feel a lot more confident, I initially sprayed it down with Rem oil but I haven’t even wiped it down because what’s left of the finish looks so fragile and there’s so little of it left.
I hope he can get all the parts he needs to get it going again at a reasonable price so I can get to shoot it!
You suppose he’ll be getting a Gamo instead?
Maybe so. And then be all happy when it cracks like a .22 long rifle when he uses them ultralight weight pellets and kicks like a mule.
Just grin & bear it when he brings it in to show it off. 🙂
I get a kick outta people browsing the paenshops in search of a Gamo for less than retail, problem is they’re so proud of the name they’re still charging retail just without any warranty!
Yep sometimes you can run across good stuff at the pawnshops. But I still stay away from the stuff I know tends to have problems.
I bet you ain’t got none of them high power break barrel guns that you can hog hunt with in your grab bag of guns you got. Do you. Sounds like they are all true down to earth old fashioned guns that were made in a time when people cared about the name of their product.
The 1894’s are a little cheesy and a 766 with a broken stock as well as one of the 880’s but I can still get those parts but I did wind up with a couple Gamo’s. The Daisy 120 was manufactured by El Gamo back then and there’s a all plastic something that looks like a slamfire broke the forearm just behind the plastic breech block, I think it’s a Cadet that someone probably rebranded, it actually reminds me of some of the carnival prizes we used to give away but no hawgin’ guns until I finish this 140 mod. 😉
Sounds like you got a pickup truck full af air guns. Not a barrel.
I’ve still got the picture on my phone of when I opened the trunk and showed my brother.
It looks full the way they loaded em.
You got my number. You should text me a picture. That would be cool to see.
I don’t know how to get it from my pictures to email.
I’ll see if one of my buddies can help and I’ll send one to you & Buldawg as well as RifleDNA.
You don’t have to send it to email.
You got my number stored on you phone right. Search my number then touch the spot for text.
Just attach the picture with the text.
I have 2 contacts that both look like your phone# but one’s a email address and I think the other is just a wrong #.
Talk to ya on the new blog.
If there is a air gun that will take whitetail deer then is it illegal to take one with an air gun during deer season?
Not legal for game in Texas and if they don’t get on it quick they’ll be losing my tax $’s
I’ve got my contacts messed up on this thing but I sent it to your email too.
Lemme know what you find so I can fix this thing. I tried calling the number I sent it to but got a voicemail box that wasn’t set up yet so I don’t think I have your number anymore.
Last night we were texting back and forth about the pictures. That’s my phone number I have. It has not changed.
My email did change because we moved so I changed it to work with the new provider I have. I thought I gave you my new email. I will text it to you in a minute.
I just received my chrony today and four cardboard boxes of pellets for my mrod. I will try to tune for 3/8 groups at 40 yards. I am close now. If the wife lets me cut a hole in the fence behind her studio I can gat 50 yards for my targets. Anyway my plan is to redo my chairgun vs distance test. I think I can do better but I need to make sure the targets are level. I thought that at 10′ 15′ and 20 yards gravity would not matter but with a pellet gun it does. Chairgun showed me that shooting down slope at those distances matter with air gun velocities.
It’s worse for airguns. They have such a arch like trajectory verses most firearms.
What chrony did you get?
Beta chrony blue, will be checking it out tomorrow. Wish I had a concrete table to shoot from. My table is not too stable.
Yep got to get a stable place to shoot from. That’s not helping that’s for sure.
Well holler back and let me know how it goes with the chrony results.