2015 Texas airgun show: Part 2

by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier

Part 1

This report covers:

  • Big bore match
  • What amazes you?
  • Bell target
  • The action pistol match
  • Back to basics
  • Texans galore!
  • What about the show?
  • Prizes galore
  • Was the show a success?

signs
Pyramyd Air was the sponsor of the 2015 Texas airgun show, and we put their banner at the entrance to the show. The entrance had to be outdoors this year, because both buildings were full.

Pyramyd Air donated a raffle prize of a Sam Yang Light Hunter .45, plus safety classes for the public range and gift bags for everyone who attended. Crosman couldn’t attend, but they generously donated the grand prize of a Benjamin Bulldog for the LASSO big bore match.

Big bore match

Last time I reported on the LASSO big bore match Iย apparently didn’t say enough. Unfortunately the competitors were all allowed to fill out their own data sheets, so some of the information I have on the guns that were used is lacking.

The guns in the match were:

AirForce Texan .45 (6)
Hatsan .35 Carnivore (1)
Shin Sung Fire 201 .357 (1)
Mrodair P30 Velociraptor .308 (1)
Professional Big Bore Airgun (2) .257 and .401
KAM Custom (2) .257 and .45
Cook Custom (1) caliber unknown
AirForce Condor .257 (1)

Rossi Morreale was the Grand Champion, shooting a Texan. He also took first place in the Big Game class. Jeff J. shooting a Texan took second and Brian C. took third with his custom gun (so we know Brian’s rifle was .40 caliber or greater).

In the Varmint class (under .40 caliber) Jared L. took first with a Fire 201, Jess A. took second with a Hatsan Carnivore and Bennie N. took 3rd with a Condor.

What amazes you?

I have been to dozens of airgun shows over the past 21 years, and I’ve seen just about everything that can be seen. What I look for now is how the show appears through other people’s eyes. Let me begin with our own Reb. He is a quiet guy who wanders the show looking and listening, but not necessarily doing a lot of talking. He’s like a walking sponge. But when his eyes fell on the huge box of airguns at the end of the tables I was in, he got real serious, real fast.

Reb saw the potential in that box, and when he realized he could own it all, he bought it. Readers of this blog have watched him take the guns out of that box and examine them one by one. It doesn’t take a crystal ball to see where he is headed with those airguns. As far as I am concerned, that was a success!

Bell target

David Enoch is a blog reader who comments from time to time. I know him from seeing him at numerous airgun shows and LASSO events in the past. I even bought a Gamo 68-XP from him at one show that lead to a 6-part report. I thought I knew him pretty well, but at this show, I saw a different side of him. He was captivated with a Quackenbush bell target from the 19th century.

Quackenbush bell target
Quackenbush bell target from the 19th century is large and mechanical. David Enoch fell in love with it!

This target was important for 2 reasons. First, just for what it is and second, because it was priced at $950 — substantially less than an identical target that was displayed at the Findlay show, earlier this year. The target is mechanical. When the bull is hit, a bird (?) drops from the top rim. The rest of the target would have been painted with non-drying lead paint to show where the pellets impacted. This is airgunner man-cave jewelry!

I heard from a 10-meter target shooter who attended the show that there were airguns on display that he never knew existed. His world consists of 4-5 brands of target airguns, so seeing all the other odd stuff at this show opened his eyes in a major way.

My brother-in-law, Bob, had the same reaction. He came mostly for the firearms at the show, but left with his head exploding from all the odd airguns he never knew about.

The action pistol match

MegaBOOM target systems and Umarex USA teamed up to run the public action pistol match. It was a timed match at a rotating target with 4 MegaBOOM targets and the fastest time to break all 4 after the time started was the winner.

MegaBOOM target system Hoetger
Ralph Hoetger, owner of MegaBOOM target systems had an unusual way of attracting attention at the show.

The bottles were filled with pink dust that looked like Pepto-Bismol. When they broke, a cloud of pink dust erupted. I thought the contest was over with a winning time of just 20.8 seconds, but that was before Rossi Morreale broke them all in 20.01 seconds to win the match!

MegaBOOM target system Rossi
Looking over the shoulder of the match winner, Rossi Morreale broke 4 MegaBOOM targets faster than anyone, to win the public action pistol match.

All I can say is this — for three years on American Airgunner Rossi has said that he’s not a shooter and just wants to learn from the experts. Well, the jig is up! Your honeymoon is over, pardner!

Back to basics

Back at the show there were a pleasing number of antique airguns to be seen. On one table next to the the bell target sat three Quackenbush guns. One was a No. 1 pellet/dart gun and the other 2 were safety cartridge rifles shooting .22 rimfire ammo. That is the beauty of the Texas Airgun show — both airguns and firearms are okay. So instead of not showing these two vintage rimfires, the dealer was able to display them proudly with the airgun of the same period — where they belonged.

Quackenbush rifles
A Quackenbush No. 1 air rifle flanked by two Safety Cartridge Rifles. Only at the Texas Airgun show will you see a display like this that contains both airguns and firearms.

Unusual stuff

At every show you see things you didn’t imagine — because nobody ever imagined them. Well, nobody other than the person who made them, I suppose. This time a man named Dan Hill stopped by my table with a version of the Walther Lever Action rifle I had never seen. It had a gold-plated receiver and a long octagon barrel. It looked like an old Winchester. I though it was a Henry rimfire rifle at first. But he told me it was a Walther lever action that he had customized.

Walther Lever Action
Reader Jim Hill showed me his beautiful custom Walther Lever Action rifle.

I sent Jim over to the Umarex table to show the rifle to Umarex USA marketing manager, Justin Biddle. He was as impressed as I with the rifle. I bet he thinks the rifle could sell in this configuration. These are the kinds of wonderful ideas that sometimes get missed by the makers.

And, speaking of unusual stuff, Tank Fisher the knifemaker had a table next to me where he displayed his gorgeous handmade knife collection. Tank is a custom maker whose brand is TbarK Knives and he is well-known for making automatic knives (switchblades) Automatics are legal to own and carry here in Texas (what a wonderful state!) and Tank had some beauties at the show.

automatic knives
Tank Fisher was selling these beautiful knives at the show. The folders are all switchblades., and many of them can also be opened manually.

One thing Tank is known for are his Case conversion knives. What looks like a Copperlock is actually a switchblade that also opens manually if you want. Very few knifemakers offer this option and Tank’s are widely considered to be the best.

Hatsan

The guys at the Hatsan table enjoyed the entire show.

Rocket Shot
Jody Shackelford of Rocket Shot targets had a good show.

Prizes galore!

One keynote of the Texas Airgun show is the prizes that are available. There are raffle prizes, match prizes and a huge door prize that’s available to anyone who pays admission. The raffles started at 10 a.m. and were held every hour until 2 p.m. this year. These were the raffle prizes:

Pelletgage and Speedy Pellet Sorter in winner’s choice of calibers — .177 or .22. From Pelletgage and Speedy Pellet Sorter.

Hatsan .35 Carnivore w 6 tins of H&N Grizzly pellets. From Hatsan USA.

Diana RWS 34. From RWS USA (Umarex USA).

Umarex Legends P08. From Umarex USA.

MegaBOOM target system with pump. From MegaBOOM target systems.

Sam Yang Light Hunter .45 cal. single tank. From Pyramyd Air.

$50 gift card to Umarex website. From Umarex USA

Rocket Shot target system. From Rocket Shot Targets.

MegaBOOM and Umarex USA put on the action pistol match. Entry fee was $5 and the winner won $100.

We already read about the big bore match grand prize from Crosman, which was the Benjamin Bulldog I tested for this blog and for Shotgun News.

The door prize was the last prize drawn at the show. It was a Condor SS rifle, donated by AirForce Airguns. There were several tickets drawn, but the holders who had to be present to win didn’t come forward. Then they found a winner, and what a winner she was!

Sherry Williams drove all the way from San Antonio to attend the show. She is AirForce Airguns official huntress, and bought her own Condor SS back in February of this year. Her fiance introduced her to hunting about three years ago and she currently hunts varmints and feral hogs. Her normal rifle is a Tikka T3 in .308 Winchester, but she recently added a Texan to her growing collection.

door prize
Sherry Williams drove up from San Antonio to win the door prize — a Condor SS donated by AirForce Airguns and presented by Rossi Morreale.

Since she already has a Condor SS, Sherry is raffling her prize off on the GoFundMe website for Aiden & Rowan’s medical bills. Go there to buy a ticket to win.

Was the show a success?

I am always asked whether I think the show is a success. The answer to that is personal for everyone who attended. One guy might have found exactly what he was searching for, and another person might have struck out.

From an observer’s standpoint, though, I would call this show a success. It was very large, it had multiple competitions, the door/raffle/contest prizes were off the charts and there were more major dealers present than you will ever see at another airgun show. From that standpoint, I would say it was a huge success.

75 thoughts on “2015 Texas airgun show: Part 2

  1. Wonderful.

    Everything I’ve read from everyone that attended deemed the show a success. So many dimensions. Lack of airguns sales cited by some surprise me but maybe over time that will change.

    Hope there will be a 3rd show.

    Kevin


  2. 4 moving targets with a bolt action magazine fed pistol in 20.01 seconds. How far and how big were the targets? That’s roughly 5 seconds a shot. Doesn’t leave much time for the shooter to acquire a moving target and hit it. Yep, his honeymoon period is definitely over.


    • The targets were about the size of a liter bottle. He was using a marauder pistol. Distance was about 10 yards. Ralph, the owner of Megaboom, made the spinner from a rotisserie for a BBQ grill.

      I saw both Rossi’s 20 second run and the second place run of 20.8 seconds. Both shooters were hitting the bottle the instant that they appeared. My 38 seconds put me in the middle of the pack.

      I do believe that Rossi has been practicing and maybe slumming a little on American Airgunner.

      BTW, I believe Megaboom needs to market that rotisserie. That was fun.

      Jim



  3. Tom,

    I would say that the show was a HUGE success. Both Susan and I had a great time. This was the first Airgun show that I had a chance to attend and I was amazed at the number of vendors and variety of airguns available. The vendors all took time to answer questions and let me take a couple out to the range to try them. It was well worth the six hour drive (one way). I even found a silver streak, a gun I’ve been wanting since I got back into airguns, at the first table I stopped at.

    What was the smooth bore that you had on the end of your table that disappeared so fast?

    Jim



      • Can I ask you for advice on a hunting gun capable of taking whitetail deer? My friends all say there is not a gun capable of taking much more then a feral hog is this true?


        • Robert,

          Welcome to the blog.

          You are a new poster, so your comments were held until I could read and approve them.

          There are many air rifles capable of taking a deer. In fact, air rifles have taken bison and elk.

          The AirForce Texan is a place to start.

          /blog/2015/02/airforce-texan-big-bore-rifle-part-3/

          Regarding legality, there are several states where it is legal to hunt deer with air rifles. In those where the laws have not been changed it is still illegal. So it depends on where you live. But states are approving air rifles for deer and other game every year.

          B.B.


    • That’s also the gun I shot at the 25yd range, very smooth shooting gun that reminded me of my old Slavia 618 and the price was right on it but I was low on funds and had a bigger plan.


  4. I’d do it again but maybe a little different next time.
    Once I get the parts needed to get the 2200 magnum going it’ll be a big find.
    Then there’s the unknown Crosman pumpers missing the breech and barrel that’s begging to be a .25, I figure 15-20 pumps should be around 600fps. The Daisy102 &105 are two really nice classics and great shootersTil I get a couple more going the QB-88 will be the one that made that deal. I’m surprised how accurate it is for being a banged up Chinese Springer with rudimentary sights. I’m gonna trick this one out!


    • Reb
      So what kind of progress are you making with your bucket o gold you got at the gun show. I see you got some of every kind of new and old guns that will keep you busy for awhile.

      You got some already back to life and plans on the drawing table for others. I like the items that are someone else’s junk that I make my treasures as well like you have found in that trash can and hope you can get the mods and custom work completed as your dreams are intending .

      I am interested in the 25 cal pumper you have eluded to as that would be a fun project. let me know what and how you progress on it as far as a barrel and breech setup you decide on to use with it .

      BD


      • It’s missing the barrel and breech which I guess is where they stamp it so no idea what it was before being stripped but it’s got what look a like a 160 trigger with integrated safety. Since it needs the right parts for a caliber swap and you can pump these up so much it just makes sense to me.
        Don’t hold your breath but I should be able to get it going by this time next year
        The QB-88 IS all there and works well after soaking it’s seal a few times, the Daisy 120 won’t cock but it’s gonna be another star after I replace a couple screws that were so bent I had trouble getting it apart.




        • Reb
          Sounds like you got the game plan worked out for most of the guns you have and then one without the barrel would be fun to figure out what it is unless it still has the furniture on it and you can match that to a picture to come up with the model it is by pictures.

          it is amazing what just a little TLC will do to resurrect them old jewels if you have the time and patience for it and that BNA breech may be a good candidate for a 25 if it has a 1/2 inch diameter hole for the barrel as a marauder barrel would fit at that ID. The 2240 steel breech that I had modified to fit my 1400 was quite easy and was a 40 dollar job for my gunsmith to just drill the breech to match the barrel hold down screw hole in the 1400 and then it was a simple bolt on and modify a steel 760 front barrel band to line up with the pump arm roll pin hole in the 1400 tube by drilling the 760 barrel band ears that fit inside the pump tube and I went from a 20 inch barrel to a 24 inch disco barreled steel breech pumper that shoot 14.3 grainers at 900 fps at 20 pumps with the modified valve in put in it and contrary to what BB says the valve blow off cap and quad seal have held up just fine at those higher pressures but yes the trigger pull is quite heavy.

          I am not against the 140 project to convert to 25 cal but I cannot say just when I could get it completed as I have many projects of my own still in the works and as I know you are well aware of it never seems to be enough time in a day to get it all done. So just get the parts or ideas for the parts you think you want to use on it and I can see about working it in for you but no promise as to actual time frame and you still have not moved forward with the 3120 project we had discussed as well.

          Just let me know what your thought are and we can go from there.

          BD


          • The 3120 is what I was talking about when I said more than one project!
            Just never dealt with one of those 140 valves before, kinda like pulling a pressed on hub with a slidehammer, I know it can be done but do I wanna risk it again? I still have to consider the 3120 a personal failure but I’ll find a box and give you a call in a few days, don’t hesitate to remind me if I don’t look like I’m on it.



            • Reb
              Now you are sounding like me and cannot remember which project I am working on at any given time LOL.

              The 140 and 1400 are pieces of cake to rebuild and I can have one apart and resealed and shooting inside two hours so no worries with the 140 as it easy to work on and parts are still available.

              So the BNA breech is a repeater and accepts the disco barrels because if that’s the case you need to find a steel old 760 front barrel band ( ebay ) and have the breech machined ( I have a gunsmith that will do that ) to use the 140 hold down screw that fits under the bolt and away you go with a repeating pumper with 40 bucks for machining the breech and the barrel band and swap parts around and do some mod work on the valve.

              Call me tomorrow or the next day and we will talk.

              BD



      • I don’t have one of them pumping yet but the trigger itself is the single stage stiff 880 trigger we all know and love. Three of them are metal and have nice antislip ribs on the blade.


        • The metal triggers in mine are also at least twice as wide as the newer plastic ones which does make a difference. Gimme some time to wrap up what I got going on now and I’ll be all over them


  5. ” the guys at the hatsan table enjoyed the entire show”.
    — BB, if I was a Hatsan employee, I would not have a great time at the show”.
    Why not?
    Their springers and pcps still have serious quality issues.
    Buying a hatsan springer is still a flip of the coin…… either you get a decent one.. or you get a bad one. I only know of 1 good 125/135-series gun.
    Take 5 125/135 series apart…. you’ll find 3 different lengths of spring. And youll be happy if you find 1 rifle that has a tight (enough) bore. The internal tolerances are not acceptable and parts may come off (cheakpeace). Their gasram systems tend to leak over time.
    If the 125/135 rifles were reliable and fairly accurate up to 30 meters, then Id buy one….. no hesitation.
    Hefty springers come with a price…… difficult to shoot and hold sensitive. But if you put a lot of rounds trough them, you should be able to master the rifle. Id be willing to do so, if only…….


    • Hi Dutch
      I have a Striker & recently a 125. They belong to my best friend who works abroad. I’m taking care of them for him. We both have fun shooting them when he comes on vacation! Both the guns are deadly accurate with open sights & scopes. I have fitted Nikko Stirling 3-9x 40s on both & they are super scopes. The Striker is a well balanced gun but the 125 is really heavy with very heavy recoil & incredibly powerful. They both insist on the Artillery Hold for top accuracy. Both can do 1\2″ groups at 25 yds, rested. But they needed about 500 shots break-in to perform. I shot a crow on a coconut tree with 125 using the open sights (before I scoped it)at exactly 50 yds according to range finder. I took the shot without resting the gun & aimed at the head. Dead before it hit ground with a shot through the chest. The guns seem to be solidly built but maybe I got the good ones? Just wish the 125 wasn’t so darn heavy & hard to cock, but that’s the price to pay for the huge power I guess!
      Errol


      • Errol.
        I only aimed at the 125/135 series here above. I have no knowledge whatsoever about Hatsans other springers. Im pleased to hear you got a decent 125. I hope the factory will address their quality issues…. and start producing reliable rifles.

        Btw…. 0.5 inch at 25y…. thats exactly what I had in mind for an extremely hefty springer


  6. BB
    I like how you changed it up a bit this time when you wrote about the show.

    I could sense when I was reading that you was looking at the show in a different perspective.

    Nice.



    • Reb,

      If you mean the one on Ron Robinson’s table, yes, I did see it. I see Rogunz at lots of shows, so they don’t capture my imagination as much as they used to.

      But Ron had one Philippine guns that was engraved as a gift to airgun writer, Jess Galan. That was special!

      B.B.



  7. B.B.,

    Great review! The custom Walther Lever really caught my attention. I like it….a lot. Was there any mechanical differences or was it all about the appearance???

    The Case converisions were interesting as well. I have a Cheeta and Case’s are slim profiled in general,…to convert a liner lock or a lock back to a full auto would be quite a feat. Fine looking work. Does he have a site that you know of?

    Thanks, Chris


  8. Hey guys, I have a question and thought some of you would be able to help out.
    I have a Crosman Vantage, and it is my first springer. I also got some RWS Air Chamber Lube. After about 600 shots I added some of the RWS to the transfer port and breach seal. I added it by pulling the barrel down partway, so I could see the transfer port. I put in a couple drops of oil, but I was unable too see how much went in.

    I took it outside, and cocked the gun and loaded a pellet. When I pulled the trigger, I was greeted by a puff of smoke and a .22 LR crack. I was using lead pellets.The next shots did not go supersonic, but there was some smoke for the next few shots.

    Should the gun be cocked before adding the oil? Did I add too much? Or did I use the wrong oil? I would appreciate your comments, since I don’t want to diesel my gun too much.


    • Corgi,

      Welcome to the blog. Your gun detonated. That was the crack you heard.

      Now you know why you DON’T want to oil a spring piston unless it needs it — as evidenced by a squeaking sound.

      One drop every 3000 shots is probably okay.

      B.B.


      • I thought that the RWS oil was not supossed to detonate?

        I’ll keep that in mind though. I wasn’t sure if it was oiled at the factory, so I figured that I might as well. I guess I’m good for the next dozen tins of pellets.

        Thanks for the reply!



          • Ok. I put about about 100 rounds though it and it has settled down. Right now I am pretty impressed with such a cheap gun.I had been thinking about it and then PA put it on sale, and i couldn’t resist.


  9. I didn’t realize that a Marauder Pistol was considered an action pistol. What exactly is an action pistol? I always thought all action pistols were CO2 powered although I have never really stopped to think about it before.

    G&G




        • BB:

          I believe that it was the Benjamin Marauder Air Pistol with the 8 shot clip and a red dot that was used for the Megaboom match. I may be wrong. The picture of Rossi above shows the pistol that had to be used for the match.

          Jim




            • BB
              I have to agree with Jim as that pistol Rossi is holding in the megaboom match sure does look like a Mrod pistol with the magazine and rear bolt arm so if it is a Umarex pistol just exactly what model is it.

              BD


              • Buldawg and all.

                I zoomed in on the picture of Rossi and the pistol.

                I’m 100% sure its a Marauder pistol without the 1399 stock.

                You can see the rotary magazine the Marauder pistol uses plain as day. Also the end cap with the hole in it where you adjust the striker and spring.

                If it ain’t a Marauder pistol I don’t know what it is.


              • BD and Jim,

                My apologies!!!

                I ASSUMED they were using Umarex pistols and I never looked at the pistol Rossi is holding. Yes, I think Jim is right. It does look like a Marauder pistol to me.

                They may have discovered that they needed the additional accuracy.

                So sorry for being stubborn and not looking.

                B.B.


                • BB,

                  No problem. I assumed that since I had shot so many different guns on the line that I had just not remembered correctly.

                  Sign me up for a 1/2 price Mrod clone but one with a green dot sight instead of the red dot. I can’t see the red dots very well (red/purple color blind). Hmm… I wonder what the price of a 2240 would be with a replacement multi-shot breech. I know I’ve seen something like that on the internet.

                  Jim


                  • The repeating breech I’m looking at runs about $150. By the time I got the 2400,HIPac and pumping I had spent enough to get a P-rod only ot doesn’t have all the adjustments or repeating capabilities


                    • Reb,

                      The $150 is about the same as I found. To me, it would not be worth buying another 2400, then adding the repeating breech and the HiPac conversion.

                      I’ll just have to save up some more and go for a stock PCP.

                      Jim


                • BB
                  No apologies needed as I understand the old stubborn part very well LOL.

                  I would have used the best pistol for the task at hand as well and a Mrod pistol would be a first choice for me as well if I owned one since they are quick and accurate and perfect for that competition.

                  I want on the list with Jim as well for the half price clone and it is not important if it has sights or not as at half price I can afford the sights I want for it.

                  BD


  10. Sure sounded like the show was a lot of fun. Someday…I’d love to go to one of these shows. Hmm…my sister lives in Columbus, how far is it from there to the Pyramid store? Or, I have a son in school now in Pittsburgh…hmm.


  11. BB,
    I need to send you a couple pictures from my office to explain why I think the Quackenbush Bell target was so cool. I built a mantel and put an old militia rifle on it. I also have a set of shelves with different airgun memorabilia on it.
    At Lasso a couple of years ago I had the whole field covered with all kinds of steel targets. I have a couple dozen steel plinkers targets plus a caldwell moving target and a bunch of spinners and other silhouettes. Having fun stuff to shoot at is as much fun as the guns I shoot.

    David Enoch


    • Hi BB,

      I enjoyed this show but seeing a lot of stuff here for the first time.

      That bell target is cool and I wished I had seen it in person.

      I did see the Walther Lever Action, and thought it was a real firearm at first. I didn’t get the guys name but he said he converted it to an octagon barrel and I meant to ask if it was a octagon barrel sleeve over the factory barrel or a real…octagon barrel?

      Note for next year…

      Get there super early and get set up.

      Take small pocket camera

      Take small note book and pen.

      Bring some calipers to measure stuff with.

      Don’t be so shy…talk to more people and visit more.

      Make sure I see every table and items as I see I missed so much!

      Bring plenty of water next time…

      I had a blast but next year…plan to have even more fun!@!@

      Thanks BB for you made the show extra special for me in many ways. Was fun bringing something special for you to see and try out.


  12. I too got a kick out of the old bell target at the show. I was impressed with the weight. Also recall seeing that some partial page of literature was still on the backside covered with clear tape.

    An interesting side note that I learned from that vendor is that Quackenbush also made a lighter version of the bell target. And although he had never seen one he was very eager to find one.

    Mark N


    • Bring more money and win a prize for me. I looked all over for a 600(never seen one) but I did find a cool little pocket pistol- Benjamin 257, I could palm that thing! I guess it takes 8gram cartridges otherwise there’d be no room for the trigger or valve. I liked that little gun!
      I’d have no idea what to do with it but?! ๐Ÿ™‚




    • Disregard the log out button and steer clear of it in the future or you could be flipping through the whole page(like me) looking for a log in button, it’s on the last menu about halfway, just in case I’m too late. ๐Ÿ™‚


    • Ed,

      I just stay logged in. However, for whatever reason that someone smarter than me will have to explain,…I do get “kicked off” and have to re-log in,…..30 seconds,…and it’s all good. It seems to be good for about a week. No hassle and it’s supposed to make life easier for the ‘Ol B.B.,…(reduce spam, etc.).

      Chris


      • I used to have to log in every first of the month but that was a long time ago and since I’ve been using my cell the logout button is so close to the other button that I must be hitting it about once a week by accident



  13. I log out at days end and back in every morning and have had no issues with being locked out or kicked out at all and just do not stay logged into any thing on my PC when its shutdown for the night as it a easy mark for hackers to gain access if you do not log out even if the PC is shutdown unless you unplug from the wall or use a power strip and switch it off. If its plugged into the wall it has power to it and can be hacked regardless if its turned on or not.

    Phones may be a whole different story as I do not use my phone for anything except talking, texting or photos so no email or internet on the phone ever as I cannot see a 3 inch screen to do anything with them and never ever any type of social media on any device ever for me as its Satan’s tool in the destruction of our youth and Americas culture as once you post it you can never take it back and it there for all to see.

    Call me crazy or an old stubborn fart but this world was not this crazy and violent before social media was available in the abundance it is now.

    BD



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