BSF S70 air rifle: Part 3

by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier

BSF S70
BSF S70 rifle is the father of several famous Weirauch models.

Part 1
Part 2

A history of airguns

This report covers:

  • The test
  • Shoots low
  • Hobbys
  • Premier lites
  • The sights and my new eye
  • RWS Superdomes
  • JSB Exact RS
  • Conclusion

In Part 2 we learned that this BSF S70 breakbarrel springer is more powerful than German law allows, despite the presence of the Freimark. Today we discover if it is accurate.

The test

I shot the rifle off a rest at 10 meters. I used the artillery hold. And I used the sights that came with the rifle, because that was part of why I conducted this test. My other BSF S70 is more powerful and has an aftermarket peep sight. And I had to bend its barrel down to get it on target, because somebody in the past had fired the rifle with the barrel open.

Shoots low

So, imagine my surprise to discover that this apparently stock S70 shoots very low. With the rear sight adjusted as high as it will go, the rifle still hits 2 inches below the aim point at 10 meters. Some of that is due to the fact that I am shooting with a 6 o’clock hold that’s inappropriate for the bead front sight that’s on the rifle. That bead is supposed to be held in the center of the target, but it disappears when I do that. However, I’m still hitting 2 inches below the bead. So I aimed at one bull on the 10-meter air rifle target and my pellets landed in the center of the bull below. Maybe I need to bend the barrel of this rifle up?

Hobbys

First to be tested were 7-grain RWS Hobby pellets. I only looked at the first shot to confirm I was on target and then fired the other 9 rounds without looking through the spotting scope again. When I finished shooting I looked and saw a vertical group that measures 1.043-inches between centers. I don’t think Hobbys are the right pellet for this rifle.

BSF S70 Hobby tarfget
Ten RWS Hobby pellets made this 1.043-inch group at 10 meters.

Premier lites

Next up were Crosman Premier lite pellets. These grouped much better with a spread between the centers of just 0.67-inches. Given that I’m shooting with open sights, I think that’s not too bad.

BSF S70 Crosman Premier target
Ten Premier lites went into 0.67-inches at 10 meters.

The sights and my new eye

I was very pleased that the sights were clear and sharp throughout this test. My cataract-free right eye could see the sight picture very clearly, and there were no called pulls (shots that went wide because of something you know you did). I might not be using the sights as intended, but I am using them consistently.

RWS Superdomes

The next pellet I tried was the RWS Superdome that was the heaviest pellet I tested in Part 2. I thought they might surprise me and they did — sort of. Ten Superdomes went into a 1.287-inch group that was the largest of the test. But 8 of those pellets landed in a very round 0.673-inch group in the center of the bull. Looking at it I have to wonder what’s going on.
BSF S70 Superdome target
Ten RWS Superdomes landed in 1.287-inches at 10 meters, with 8 of them clustered in a nice 0.673-inches in the center of the bull.

JSB Exact RS

The last pellet I tested was the JSB Exact RS. I felt they might do well, and they did. Ten of them made a group measuring 0.603-inches between centers at 10 meters. That’s the best group of the test.

BSF S70 JSB Exact RS target
Ten JSB Exact RS pellets went into 0.603-inches at 10 meters — the best group of this test.

Conclusion

This report has resolved a semi-mystery and raised another ione. We now know the BSF S70 is more powerful than 7.5 joules, and we know that with tuning it can reach 12 foot-pounds. But it shoots low — at least this one does. The other one shot high, but that was caused by mechanical damage — or was it? Was that perhaps the result of an attempt to correct the problem we are seeing today? Who can say?

The BSF S70 is certainly a classic air rifle, and it is the father of a number of popular air rifles made by Weihrauch. In its day the rifle was considered one of the most powerful, but time has turned it into a tame air rifle. A fellow could do worse than to own one of these old-timers.

58 thoughts on “BSF S70 air rifle: Part 3

  1. Nice shooting for open sights. My eyes just do not work well them. Conversely, my eyes work just fine with peeper sights. I only have one of each,.. the Red Ryder and the Avanti 499 respectfully. Perhaps the gun/barrel has “droop”, like the Diana’s are known for. Though,.. I thought that the issue of droop is negated when rear sights are mounted on the barrel.


    • Chris,

      You really should try out some nice open sights on a decent air rifle. With a little practice you will be surprised how well they work. Yesterday evening I was sitting on my front porch and plinking at my spinners at 25 yards with my 1906 BSA. I was regularly hitting the 1 1/2″ spinner and even occasionally hitting the 3/4″ spinner. Last weekend I was doing the same with my Diana 46E. I would not hesitate to shoot small game at that range with open sights. It just takes some trigger time.

      I do believe that barrel needs a little careful adjustment. It should not be shooting like that. With that much power it should be about dead on with the sights all the way down at 10 meters.



        • Michael,

          Yes, you could grind the front sight down, but that is not truly desirable with something like this. If you want to modify the front sight, just file the top of it down. Either way it will no longer be original.


      • RR,

        If I am going to spend some money on an airgun, it will be scope-able, because I like that extra precise acquisition of target. The alternative is a Wally World whammy blaster,… but pretty sure I do not want to go down that road.

        Besides,.. while a small collection,.. I have enough as is. I would not mind trying out a nice open sight gun though just to see what I could do with it.


  2. BB,

    So what is your plan now? Is this jewel headed for a tear down? Are you considering a barrel bend? Enquiring minds want to know.

    When you say “A fellow could do worse than to own one of these old-timers”, are you suggesting that this one will be looking for a new home? If so, I do believe RidgeRunner’s Home For Wayward Air Rifles has an available room for it.





      • B.B.,

        In Part 1 you wrote, “Up front is a rather tall post with a bead on top.” You might consider carefully grinding material from the concave bottom of the front sight, as I see there is room for it to sit a bit lower. That might get this one shooting almost high enough. Then, after shooting/testing it a bit more, those “wings,” which I presume are remnants of the missing hood, could also be removed to accommodate even more metal removal of the bottom.

        I really believe that is the thing to try, rather than messing with the barrel, which might prove to cause problems when this BSA is shooting at longer distances.

        Of course come optics time you might be able to add a drooper mount to the equation.

        Michael





        • Ha ha. I’m familiar with that poem. I even wrote a paper about it in college, but I could use some clarification too. As you can see from Google, the poem is about a childhood pastime in New England, where kids used to bend down the tops of birch trees and with a leap, launch themselves catapult fashion and hold on to swing down on the opposite side. I imagine that trees were chosen for the right height and elasticity to do this. It was a kind of pole vault. The poem uses this activity as a symbol of something larger, but what exactly? That is the question. So, what exactly are you up to RidgeRunner. 🙂

          There are some bizarre stories about activities with trees once you get into them. Ambrose Bierce was a decorated Civil War veteran who wrote a body of depressing and puzzling stories out of his war experience. The most famous one is called “Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge” in which everything really does take place in someone’s head. But there is another lesser-known story about trees. A mysterious veteran soldier gets transferred into a unit. It could be after the Civil War since the unit has a social event attended by civilians. As part of the festivities, they set up a swing on an extremely tall tree. The game is to stand on the platform and use your arms to propel yourself high up in the air. The crowd applauds some daring efforts. Then, the mysterious man steps forward. He surpasses everyone, and keeps going. Finally, the swing is at right angles to the tree at a great height. Then he lets go and sails right on out there, and that is the end of the story. Maybe the guy had PTSD.

          Nice story, B.B., about the $50 pcp, but after 10 years, I am onto your April Fools gags. As a matter of fact, I was out at the range and was thinking quite a bit about groups and open sights. This was my first opportunity to teach someone to shoot. This was the 18 year old son of a friend who is very enthusiastic about airsoft. He even got my M4 to work after the battery had been dead for years. So, I thought it might be fun for him to experience firearms. I also had in mind my own wretched introduction to firearms. This was done by a self-professed expert in firearms who turned out to be a fraud in many aspects of his life. My family took out our Winchester 94, and we had no eye or ear protection, no sandbags for support, and no instruction in shooting technique. The instructor instead told us irrelevant nonsense such as how the bullet of an AR was designed to tumble as soon as it exited the muzzle and that the M1 Garand was a terrible weapon. He spent the rest of the time with his friends shooting an elephant gun at a target outside the range limits, and at one point, he told me to run out and retrieve targets while other people were still shooting. My brother was permanently turned off from guns with that experience, and I was for many years after.

          It turns out that my young student had encountered bad instruction as well. His mother had gone to shoot with some acquaintance, and nobody had watched while she supported the long barrel of a .357 magnum with her off-hand. A mythbusters show proved that you can lose your hand doing this. She didn’t but she had to endure a lengthy drive to the hospital with her injury which I can hardly imagine. So, I figured that it was partly my duty to provide decent instruction. This also gave me the chance to be a kind of Godfather of Shooting, one-eighth the actual size.

          Since my shooter is very enthusiastic about airsoft, I thought this was also a chance to see how airsoft translated to firearms. I’ve mentioned a case where some Japanese champion at airsoft came to the U.S., and, after practicing with firearms for only month, won high-level competitions. We started out at the 7 yard line with a Ruger Single Six and a CZ 75 SP-01. The kid was on target with both although not with any particular grouping.

          Then, I introduced him to rifles at the 50 yard line with my Savage 10FP. What should I find when we checked targets but that he had grouped tighter than me! So, there I was, overcome by my airsoft paradigm with one of my favorite rifles. In my defense, my group seemed to suffer from a couple of fouling shots, but there was no questioning the group size. I got on my game and shot better with the rifle, but I couldn’t wipe out that initial embarrassment. Then I tried a bit of shooting with my Enfield. I was forced to use a corner diamond in my Redfield sighting target that I really couldn’t see at 50 yards. But when I checked, I had grouped almost as well as my protege had with the sniper rifle. I was around an inch. No doubt there was some luck involved, but it also gives me a better opinion of that rifle. Possibly my mediocre groups at 100 yards are due more to my eyesight than the rifle. That doesn’t explain how I could shoot without hardly being able to see the target, but possibly the Redfield target came to my aid. It is designed with diamonds and the whole surface is ruled, so there are only straight lines and sharp angles, with no curves to throw me off. Without seeing the diamond, I was able to estimate the location on the paper, and this may be another case of target design saving the day.

          We also shot my Saiga since the kid loves AKs. The accuracy didn’t compare to the other rifles, but I noticed that even with the Tula ammo, I put four inside an inch, rested, at 50 yards. After that, I believe the barrel heated up, and the rounds went all over the place. Anyway, the best part was watching my protege experience firearms for the first time. He was taking cell phone pictures of everything and collecting spent brass which lay around us by the hundreds.

          Matt61


          • Matt61 and R.R.,

            “Birches” is often interpreted as a wistful poem about a man in middle age who reminisces about his childhood and the carefree existence he had as a boy swinging down from his fathers birch trees.

            He reminisces like that when he is “weary of considerations” and adult “life is too much like a pathless wood.” (That simile connects with a similar Frost metaphor in “The Road Not Taken.” Path equals Life.) He remembers when he himself once was “a swinger of birches. / And so he “dream[s] again to be.” He longs for a life free from the stress and cares of adult, to be as unburdened as a child. He ends the poem with the wistful line, “One could do worse than be a swinger of birches.” Perhaps implied there is the sentiment that he, as an adult, finds himself worse off than “a swinger of birches,” worse off than the carefree boy he used to be.

            There is a scene early in the movie Rocky where Rocky, home in his dump of an apartment, looks in the mirror at his 30 year old battered and scarred face and contrasts it with a grade school photo of himself at eleven tucked into the mirror’s frame. The camera lens can read his mind: “When did it all go wrong? How did I go from a fresh faced boy to a club fighter whose day job is as a ‘leg-breaker for a second rate loan shark'” to quote Mickey.

            Or, as Louis Armstrong sang, “What did I do, to get so black and blue?”

            Michael



  3. B.B.,

    I hate to beat a dead horse, but like with the Diana pistol, your group with Hobbys shows ragged outlines, despite an average muzzle of velocity of 657 fps. and a distance of just 10 meters. (Granted, your photo is taken from an appropriately close distance, so roughness could be exaggerated.)

    Just curious, how old is your target paper, old enough to be brittle? What sort of backing do you use?

    Michael


  4. GF1,

    I looked over the part that you suggested yesterday and it looked ok . Got to thinking afterwards that if it were bad it would have caused a leak from the striker end of the valve,and my Wildfire is definitely leaking from the discharge end of the valve. That leads me to believe it has to be either the junction of the Valve Stem (7d) and Puck Assembly (7b) [the seat area] or the oring (7g) that lies at the bottom [discharge end] of the valve body.That oring is made from a translucent material that is much softer than any oring that I have so I don’t have a replacement on hand. I’m thinking of stretching the spring some to get it to push harder on the valve stem to seat it better and, at the same time, push harder on that oring to get it to seal better.


    • Halfstep
      What are you going to do for a o-ring?

      And that’s what I would try is to stretch the spring. But as it goes. Hard to say what will happen until you try.

      Let know what you come up with though.


      • GF1 ,

        I made the repair but I actually did two things at once, which is normally tabo for me, since you won’t know which thing fixed the problem. I had so much trouble putting the valve back together ( I’d done it 5 times by the time I tried this and had already vowed, since I now have 5 guns with this valve, that I’m gonna make a plier type device to align all the parts and squeeze them together then lock while I install the snap ring) that I was tired of messin’ with it.

        I chucked the valve stem in my drill press and pressed it down on the puck assembly while the drill spun. I hoped this might lap in the seat better or make the seat deeper or wider. ( It was pretty broke already so I didn’t worry about breakin’ it worse) Then I stretched the spring so it would flatten out that soft oring more and seat the valve harder. Maybe I could have tried just one of the mods first,but I didn’t, so I’ll never know. Any way, now it holds air but the firing characteristics have changed.(I’m guessing because of the spring)

        The max fill is now 1750 psi as a partial valve lock occurs above that. All the accuracy and velocity data that I posted yesterday are meaningless for this particular gun now, but I guess it is still useful in discussions about the Wildfire in general. When I first got the gun I baselined it, for velocity, with RWS Basics and Crosman Ultra Mags so I have a reference. My gun now shoots Basics at an average velocity per magazine that is about 30 fps less than it used to. The good news is that I now get 5 mags of 12 shots down to 1000 psi (again at a 30 psi reduction per mag) where before I only got 3 from 1750 to 1000. Basics have enough energy to knock down and reset my targets at 20 yds ,which is why I bought the gun, and it takes about 35 pumps to get 60 shots ,so I’m happy. When replacement parts become available I’ll likely change the valve, but for now I at least have a serviceable gun again.


        • Halfstep
          At least you got it working. And with a lower working pressure and more shots per fill.

          And as long as it’s doing the job you want. I myself wouldn’t worry about velocity.


          • GF1

            Never meant to use it for anything but plinking anyway so it’s all good. 🙂 Now I’ve got the other one to test. Hope it holds out because I have 8 or 10 other pellets in addition to the one’s I shot in Gun 1 that I want to test in it. If this one starts leaking it’s goin’ back for a refund until they work the bugs out.


            • Halfstep
              I hope mine holds out. Shot it some more tonight. So far no problems. Got a partial tin of JSB 10.34’s through it that had about 200 or so pellets in it. One tin of 500 Air Arms 10.34’s and now about to finish off another tin of 500 JSB 10.34’s. So around 1200 or so pellets through it.

              I hope it stays rolling along to. I would be very bummed if it gave me problems like yours has done. And I hope you start having better luck with yours now.

              Who knows. As I say. Time will tell.


              • GF1 glad you aren’t having my luck. Have you shot any cheap pellets in yours and if so how did they group. As you know , you can shoot a tin in no time with one of these ,and I have 8 or 10 magazines and twice that many of the round clips that I can pre load, so I’m focused on cheaper ammo. This gun is a ball to shoot, don’t ya think ?


                • Halfstep
                  The only pellets I have tryed so far is JSB 8.4 and 10.34 pellets. And the Air Arms 10.34 which is basically the same pellet as the JSB 10.34’s.

                  I do have some cheap Daisy wadcutters that I would occasionally shoot in my 1077 but have not tryed them in my Wildfire yet. Probably cause I have had good luck with the 10.34’s in my 1077’s.

                  The design of the 10.34 pellet seems to cheat physics a bit. They shoot only about 20 to 50 fps slower than the 8.4 pellets in different guns. They don’t think they are as heavy as they are for some reason when it comes to velocity compared to other heavy pellets of the same weight. And they definitely shoot better in wind than the lighter 8.4’s.

                  So that’s​ what I shoot in my Wildfire. And yes mine is basically for plinking too.

                  But I like to plink accurately. 🙂


                  • GF1,

                    I’m with ya on the “accurately” but I’m always lookin’ for the “cheap accurate” pellet. I know it’s out there. I just need to spend another $1000 buying the inaccurate ones to try first. 🙂
                    What is the shape/name of that pellet? Sounds like I should try them in my Coyote even if they are too expensive for my 1077/Wildfires.


      • Hello Gunfun1,

        I see that you do a lot of posting on this blog and seem very knowledgeable regarding airguns. I wonder if you might have time to view my posts on April 1 regarding issues I have experienced with poor groups from my RWS 34P in .22 caliber. Chris USA replied in several posts and I was hoping that you would also.

        /blog/2017/03/dianas-model-5-air-pistol-part-3/#comment-395518

        Also, Chris USA advised if I want to try a PCP, a Benjamin Maximus. I would like your thoughts on this also.

        I have been reading everything I can find regarding the Benjamin Maximus. It seems that the reviews are very good from respected sources, like Rick Eutsler. There are many Youtube videos demonstrating very good accuracy out to 30 yards, and maybe up to 50 yards. The price is right for sure. Airgun Depot has a nice combo which includes a G6 pump, sling, rat target, and a Mantis 3-9×32 AO scope. I wish the scope was a 3-12-40 though. Also, was looking at the new Umerex Gauntlet PCP. It’s only about $80 more than the Maximus and it is a regulated repeater. There are not reviews as yet because it’s too new I suppose. So there is no documentation on how accurate the rifle really is. It does look very promising though. It’s heaver and much longer, which are cons as I would prefer a shorter rifle. It’s also a 3000 psi fill which would difficult to fill with a hand pump I assume. No option for HPA near me.

        Check them out and let me know your thoughts. Thanks very much for your time.


  5. B.B.
    Perhaps a silly if not a obvious question,
    but what is the the actual scientificly repeatably and all that of usefully bending an air gun barrel?
    Since not so many of us have the M113A1 barrel wench available (that’s not a typo but rather “Christine, the barrel wench, custom barrel and attitude adjustment on demand. Quick, too.”)
    But really, how’s it proper-like done?


  6. Bit late to comment (Season opener in St Louis). My Marksman 55 which I have assumed to be of BSF manufacture has the same type of sights but shoots high. I get about the same sized groups. Another great article.


  7. Hi BB,

    In speaking with Crosman I was told the new Benjamin Marauder Field & Target will be out in May. I hope you will be testing on very soon in .177. I am interested in one for field target. Thanks.

    SP4449



      • Interesting. Perhaps I will have to stay with the TX200 and not go to the dark side. Here is the message I received.
        Ticket ID: OOC-919-91311
        Subject: Product Support
        Message from Crosman:
        Dear William Baldwin,

        We will not have the airguns untill May and they normal do not sell extra parts for 1 year after the airgun has been out. We will have parts if an airgun had been purchased and something was wrong

        Thank you for contacting Crosman Corporation!

        Ready to Shop? Have a Question? Contact us at (800) 724-7486 or visit our website at crosman.com

        Happy Shooting!

        Beth

        Crosman Customer Service
        (800) 724-7486
        Open Monday – Friday
        9:00am – 4:30pm ET



          • GF1,

            Did the stock mod. on the Maximus over the weekend. The air tube clears now. Despite being sturdy, it does have some flex (up and down) just a tad. I ended up with a real small piece if 1/8″ gasketing at the front.

            On the barrel band, I took the set screws out and it slid just fine. The LDC adapter would still not come off (Hunter version). I did re-center it and there is some clearance around the barrel, but I would like more. If you have any ideas, or maybe the Buldawg, let me know. Big channel locks would not budge it. Almost like a press fit,… or something.

            Tweaked the trigger a bit more, but too light,… as in,…. it would latch,.. but barely. Did not check the pull with the gauge, but it is nice.

            Did not shoot it. Worst case is reinstall the set screw for the barrel and call it good.

            At any rate, since we talked about it,…. I thought that I would give you an update.


            • Chris U
              I think the front peice on the muzzle of the barrel is glued on. Probably a heat gun would get it loose enough to get off with your channel locks.

              And in your case since you want to float the whole barrel why don’t you just take the barrel band completely off the gun.


              • GF1,

                If I can get that adapter off, then I might try that. The 2″? from the tube to the muzzle does not allow much room for a sliding weight,… which of course is the first thing I thought of. Control that “barrel whip” ya know? Or,.. “tune it” as I should say.


                • Chris U
                  Yep I know and try the heat it should come off.

                  And there is brass aftermarket muzzle weights for the 2240’s and 2300’s that will fit the Discovery or Maximus barrel.

                  Do search. And I think TKO22 has them also along with his muzzle brakes he sales.


                  • GF1,

                    Did you ever play around with sliding barrels weights to control the barrel oscillation’s.

                    Probably a dumb question since you have tried most everything. If so, what are your thoughts? Did it help? Could you tell any difference in accuracy?


                    • Chris U
                      I did on one of the first Discovery I had. I made them out of a piece of brass about 3 inches long. Drilled a hole through it. Then cut it in half so I had two half’s 3 inches long. Milled some off each half. Put both halfs on top. Held them on with rubber bands. Moved them together and apart and at different locations on the barrel.

                      Maybe seen .050″ better group at 50 yards. Probably could of made the cut a little below center on each side and put a set screw on top to hold the weight in location.

                      Just didn’t do it cause really not a big enough difference. But I guess every bit helps. And maybe if I would of spent more time I would of got better results. And maybe the way I was holding it on with the rubber bands wasn’t the best way to do it. Might not of been giving the best results.

                      Maybe you should try it. You never know.


                  • GF1,

                    Thanks for the input. I figured you had tried it ,.. or something close to it. I am not looking to eeeek out that last .001″. I will keep you posted on the shooting end. I do not have an heat source, other than a stove top,… so made note to bring a propane torch home tomorrow from work. I will try giving it a light “toast” from a reasonable distance. Out’a here.


                  • Gunfun1,

                    This is off topic but I have seen that you do a lot of posting on this blog and I was wondering if you could give me some advice if you have time. I did not know how to contact you so I just found your last post an I am replying to it. Here goes…

                    I have been reading everything I can find regarding the Benjamin Maximus. It seems that the reviews are very good from respected sources, like Rick Eutsler. There are many Youtube videos demonstrating very good accuracy out to 30 yards, and maybe up to 50 yards. The price is right for sure. Airgun Depot has a nice combo which includes a G6 pump, sling, rat target, and a Mantis 3-9×32 AO scope. I wish the scope was a 3-12-40 though. Also, was looking at the new Umerex Gauntlet PCP. It’s only about $80 more than the Maximus and it is a regulated repeater. There are not reviews as yet because it’s too new I suppose. So there is no documentation on how accurate the rifle really is. It does look very promising though. It’s heaver and much longer, which are cons as I would prefer a shorter rifle. It’s also a 3000 psi fill which could negate using a hand pump.

                    Chris USA advised that I look at the Maximus in a reply to my post on April 1 in regards to all of the issues I have experience with poor groups with my RWS 34P in .22 caliber. You could go back an read that if you would like to see some history. Would appreciate your input on that post as well.

                    /blog/2017/03/dianas-model-5-air-pistol-part-3/#comment-395518

                    Check them out and let me know your thoughts. Thanks very much for your time.


  8. Do try it scoped.

    The very vertical group with Hobbys is intriguing. Might that be a hold issue, or the leather-sealed power plant settling down after a period of not being used? I have a couple of the shorter lighter 55 variant, and it always takes me more than a few shots to get them/me shooting consistently.


  9. In 35 years of airgunning,specifically with German and British spring rifles (I couldnt give a hoot about nearly anything else)
    I am yet to find a BSF without a Friemark of any power, in any country, in fact, I’d be fascinated to hear of anyone that has.


  10. Matt61—Your ” expert” might have had some sound reasons to criticize the M1 Garand. Go to the GARAND COLLECTORS ASSN. WEB SITE AND ACCESS THE ( FORMERLY) top secret report–Use of infantry weapons in Korea. My 50+ year experience with the M1 are with pampered rifles on clean target ranges, not in combat with service grade rifles. I would probably have a different opinion, if I had used the M1 under combat conditions. As an example, the report stated that the troops in the survey did not object to the ping of an ejected clip. However, they complained about the loud click, when releasing the safety ! Many soldiers did not use the safety for this reason. If you pinch the safety between thumb and finger, and slowly release the safety, it is quiet, but too slow to be of much use in combat. The report also claimed that the troops wanted ” quiet grenades”. Read the report to find out what they were complaining about, and what is meant by a quiet, or silent grenade. —–Ed


  11. For those who are interested, here is the full title——–USE OF INFANTRY WEAPONS AND EQUIPMENT IN KOREA———-H.G. DONOVAN——PROJECT –DOUGHBOY———-<MAY 13, 1952 READ, LEARN, ENJOY——-Ed


  12. Amazing how many air rifles are similar to the BSF model 70. I have a Chinese Industry Standard Model 61 and a Diana Model 35, and both have essentially the same profile. Both use a leather seal rather than an O-ring.



      • Thank you. I’ve been around a while, just didn’t get involved. I shoot a few pellets several times a week; we have a back porch that gives me a 30′ shooting gallery. I find myself shooting mostly break barrel rifles and CO2 pistols. I find my shooting degrades quite a bit when I try to shoot multipump weapons – too old, I think – and PCP stuff is too rich for my blood.


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