by Tom Gaylord
Writing as B.B. Pelletier
Gamo 126 single stroke pneumatic 10-meter target rifle.
This report covers:
- The test
- R10 Match Pistol
- Air Arms Falcons
- RWS Hobby
- Sig Match Ballistic Alloy
- Gamo Match pellets
- Vogel Match pellet with 4.50mm head
- Discussion
- Summary
Today is a day I have waited for for many years. This is the day I discover how accurate the Gamo 126 10-meter target rifle is. Let’s get right to it.
The test
I shot off a sandbag rest from 10 meters. I shot 5 pellets at each target.
R10 Match Pistol
First to be tested and also used for sighting-in was the 7-grain RWS R10 Match Pistol wadcutter. Sight-in took three shots and then came the group. The 126 put five R10 Pistol pellets into 0.314-inches at 10 meters. That’s not a very auspicious start. I expected better from this pellet.
Five R10 Match Pistol pellets went into 0.314-inches at 10 meters.
Air Arms Falcons
I often test one or two domed pellets in a target rifle because many readers ask for it. At 7.33 grains the Air Arms Falcon seems like a good choice for my 126 that’s shooting more like a pistol than a rifle. Five of them went into 0.155-inches at 10 meters. Now, the holes left by domed pellets moving at slow speed are hard to measure with accuracy, so this could be off quite a bit, but I was still impressed. It brought out the trime!
The 126 put five Air Arms Falcon pellets in 0.155-inches at 10 meters. That’s not bad!
RWS Hobby
Next up was the venerable RWS Hobby. Hobbys are sometimes quite accurate in lower-powered air rifles, but not in this one. Five made a 0.281-inch group at 10 meters.
Five RWS Hobbys went into 0.281-inches at 10 meters. Another not-so-spectacular pellet!
Sig Match Ballistic Alloy
Next I tried five Sig Match Ballistic Alloy pellets. These were the fastest in the 126 in the velocity test, and today five of them went into 0.218-inches at 10 meters. That’s pretty good.
Five Sig Match Ballistic Alloy pellets went into 0.218-inches at 10 meters.
Gamo Match pellets
I searched though my supply of .177 pellets for Gamo Match pellets, but did not find a tin. That’s too bad because I have always felt they are a good target pellet. I put them on my list to order in both .177 and .22. But since the 126 is a Gamo rifle I felt I had to test it with at least one Gamo pellet, so I broke out a tin of Gamo Master Points. This is another pellet that doesn’t cut a round hole in the target paper, but the group was another small one. Just 0.183-inches separated the centers of the two holes farthest apart. The trime was used a second time!
The Gamo 126 put five Gamo Master Points into a 0.183-inch group at 10 meters. Not bad!
Vogel Match pellet with 4.50mm head
The last pellet I tested was the American-made Vogel Match pellet with a 4.50mm head. These pellets compete at the World Cup and Olympic level. But the 126 doesn’t like them. It put 5 in a 10-meter group that measured 0.30-inches between centers.
Five Vogel pellets made a 0.30-inch group at 10 meters.
Discussion
I have enjoyed testing the Gamo 126 Match rifle. I learned its strengths (the trigger and the light cocking effort) and its weakness (the complex and fiddly powerplant). I have wondered about it for years and now I know.
The accuracy is roughly on par with a Daisy 853 or 753 target rifle, though with much easier pumping effort and a far better trigger. Think of it as equal to the recoiling target rifles of its era, but subordinate to the recoilless ones.
Fit and finish are not up the the standard of the day, but they are adequate for the price that was charged. It’s the everyman target rifle. Think of it as Spain’s answer to the IZH MP532 target rifle — though nowhere near as accurate.
Summary
This is a report I have wanted to do for a long, long time. Now I know and never again need to doubt what this rifle is and what it can do. Does it belong in a collection of 10-meter rifles? Well, it’s certainly not a serious contender and never has been. But neither are the IZH 532, The Haenel 312 or the Daisy 853. I suppose to be complete a collection does need one of these.
No comments?
I guess I was the only one who was interested in this air rifle.
B.B.
Well, since nobody is really interested in this air rifle, perhaps you should just pack it up and send it to live at RRHFWA. We can probably find some room for her. While you are at it, put a MP532 in the box also. 😉
Beeb, (can I call you Beeb? I feel I know you well enough after you replied to my first ever post)…
I religiously read every blog post you make, and ‘dread’ the weekends.
Not kidding. Well… OK, I don’t ‘dread’ the weekends, but I miss reading intelligent blogs that actually teach me something.
There’s lots of us ‘dear readers’ out here (ref. Isaac Asimov, RIP).
Izh,
I am reminded of a scene from the movie Pretty Woman when Vivian ask Edward,.. “Can I call you Eddy?”.
Edward’s response? “Not if you expect me to answer”.
I think a simple (and more respectful),… “BB” would be just fine.
Chris
Seriously, Chris?
It’s a joke.
And does Tom really need you defending him?
Izh,
No offense intended,.. I assure you. As not someone that I recall seeing posting on a regular basis,.. I was not sure that in fact you were not a newcomer. Obviously,… “off base” on that call. 🙁
Chris
Izh,
Oh,…. on “defending”,… I would go “to the mat” for BB.
Chris
B.B.,
No report you do ever goes to waste; besides being here for us now, they are also being recorded for posterity.
Ten or twenty years from now, someone will pick one of these up on a lark at a gun show, and google it, and come across this set of reports, and thank you for it. =>
Personally, I like SSPs (I have ever since your report on the P17, which I got right after reading about it in one of your “best buys for Christmas reports). I think this gun is pretty neat; while it may not be a serious contender, it’s certainly more accurate than I am, plus it’s a self-contained system (unlike a PCP). It would make a nice accurate plinker, a real fun-gun…and isn’t fun what airguns are all about? Well, not being a competition shooter, that’s what they are for me, serious fun.
This rifle is also a piece of history; and your report on it will become reference material for all future generations; hence, I’m glad you did it. I enjoy reading about all aspects of the airgun industry, even the ones in which I am not directly involved (yet); and that’s why I enjoy this blog. You are doing a great job; please keep up the good work in the New Year! =>
Thank you, take care, & God bless,
dave
Dave,
You really should give a SSP match rifle a home. I had a FWB 601 for a while. To have something more accurate requires you to spend thousands.
No, a SSP will never be a powerhouse but how much do you need to kill a feral soda can?
“No, a SSP will never be a powerhouse but how much do you need to kill a feral soda can?”
Exactly, RidgeRunner; our farm in infested with these varmints! (feral soda cans) Fortunately, they are easy to “kill,” hahaha! =)~
And fun also. It gets real wild when you have to take on a case of them. 😉
Dave,
I wasn’t really lamenting. I was just kicking the anthill to get things moving. 😉
B.B.
B.B.,
When you do that, I think of it as the B.B. Bump. ;^)
Michael
Michael,
Just as long as I’m, not confused with “Lady Bump” I’m fine with that. 😉
B.B.
B.B.,
Not into The Disco Scene? Penny McLean, a RED HEAD Austrian singer, did Lady Bump in 1975 and I think made it to #1 in the dance charts. I believe she may have played a Disco Club in either Corpus or in Pensacola…just can’t remember which. Fog of alcohol obscures much of my life back then….
shootski
Shootski,
No relation to “Fergie” and Lady Humps,… I am sure. 😉
Chris
Hahaha! That’s cool; but seriously, your reports are highly valued; everything I said stands true. =>
BB,
I had to laugh at “kicking the ant hill”. It has stuck with me all weekend. 😉
Maybe?,… I have done that a few times in the past myself. Maybe? Just sayin’. 🙂
You got them REAL BIG, MEAN ones down your way eh? Like?,… the size of small dogs? Like chew your leg off,… kind of stuff?
🙂 Chris
Chris USA,
FIRE ANTS!
Chemical warfare expert practitioners!
shootski
Fire Ants, yikes, Shootski, airguns and powder burners are no good, you need to respond with chemical warfare as well.
Mike
Mike,
Targeted drone strikes! I think, that I “maybe” heard, that some pretty good progress has been made with regards to drone warfare tactics. Then again,… I might be wrong on that. 😉
Chris
Chris,
I think you are right about drone strikes, we will have to wait and see how all that shakes out, is will be interesting.
Unfortunately my yard is a bit small for that kind of attack, I will just keep up the chem warfare. Don’t know how your neck of the woods is but here in the south the fire ants are truly brutal.
Mike
Mike,
I live with woods surrounding the house. Carpenter ants are the big threat. Of course,.. the everyday big and small (non leg chewing off) variety as well.
Traps indoors and out and shaker dust/granuals (start early) seems to do very well. I very rarely see 3-5 ants all year indoors. Chem. spray for back up.
Yup,… stay ahead with staving them off.
Chris
PS,… One year seemed real bad. In desperation,.. I pondered doing a ring of gasoline around the house and giving it a quick light. But,… gas was pushing $4 per gallon at the time,…. so I did not do it. I bet it would have worked,… or maybe not? 😉
Chris
Chris,
I am voting against using gas, too explosive, you may have needed a new house.
My neighbor had a bad underground infestation of bees, he used gas but did not light it. Well after dark he pored about a half gallon of gas into the known entrance and left it, it killed the whole nest dead.
Even still I vote against gas, just use the known for the purpose chemicals they tend to work well.
Mike
Mike,
Of course, the gas idea was my poor? attempt at humor. 😉 Give it some air and an ignition source,.. not good. POOF! and fall into a pile of ashes like one of those cartoon characters!
If your home is under full assault, it can be quite frustrating. I have pretty much an open floor plan and can see ’em coming from a mile away. Kill one, sit down and 2 seconds later,… here comes another one!
Like I said, start early. March/April depending on temps. Repeat about 1x per month in the Summer. Terro ant granules in the orange shaker bag. Minimal trouble since sticking to that routine.
Chris
Chris,
Fire can be a good extermination tool, but I would suggest diesel or kerosene as they are much less explosive.
Modern pesticides are made to break down quickly as not to hang in the environment for long, so re-application repeatedly will win the war on bugs as you have found.
Mike
I remember a father and son from my old club investing in one of these. The guns were known as the Supermatch or MC Supermatch over here in the UK and I do recall it being pretty accurate when new. This was back in 86 or 87 before the guns started to gain a reputation for being unreliable.
I do recall busted Supermatches being offered for sale fairly often over here some years ago but they seldom do now.
Keep up the good work BB- your blog is excellent. I am especially looking forward to the Diana 27S test report.
Drew451,
According to what I see in the “Blue Book of Airguns,” there were three models of the 126, and they say they are the regular 126, the 126 Super Match Target and the 126 Olympic. So the Supermatch or MC Supermatch that you remember could be the two higher grades of the 126.
Are you looking forward to the report of the Diana 27S? I have held back on that one because I thought I was boring a lot of readers with my fascination for the older Dianas. It’s sitting here in my office and beckoning to me, so, who knows! 😉
Let me ask you something. Do the television shows “The Repair Shop” and “Money For Nothing” air in the UK? I am fascinated with both of them, because they seem so genuine. Shows over here often start out well and then veer off on a tangent of self promotion that makes them increasingly hard to watch.
B.B.
B.B., I liked the reports on the Diana 27; I read them all; hence, I, like Drew451, would also like to see one on the Diana 27S; thank you. =>
Dave,
You and Drew have pushed me over the edge.
Monday. 🙂
B.B.
BB,
Both shows are shown here and although I’m not a regular viewer, I have seen and enjoyed both. Upcycling is quite a popular pastime these days it seems.
Yes, I tend to search out your Diana posts as I am very keen on the brand. Amongst many, I have a 27 and its a favourite. The brand is not nearly as popular here as it once was but there are a few of us who rate them.
I will need to research the Gamo SSP models a bit more but as far as I remember, the model commonly available here had the fixed cheekpiece, very similar to the one you have tested. They were priced miles beneath the German competition but I dont think they were big sellers.
Regards,
Drew
Drew,
I think this little report and set of tests demonstrates why the 126 was never as popular as the big boys. What I find difficult to understand is why the IZH 532 never took off, though the timing of the launch may have had a lot to do with it.
I’m currently researching and writing about the Diana 27S for Monday! Thanks.
B.B.
BB,
Could not the issue of the IZH 532 be that it was blocky ugly? Both this 126 and the 532 look “plain”, most especially when compared to many of their competitors. As with the IZH 46M, most people do not shape the grips to fit. Both of these air rifles could be transformed into swans with a little rasping, sanding and staining.
B.B.,
Looking forward to further history lessons from your Diana before the IZH61 takes the spotlight. I recall you hit the pause button because you thought we were going to overdose from exposure to your recent Diana purchases from Carel. It also allowed you to take a breath and catch up with the latest airguns and associated accouterments coming to the market
Siraniko
Drew,
How is Daystate doing over there? I have a Red Wolf,… so just curious.
Chris
Chris,
Daystate is not a brand I have first hand experience off. However, I do see complaints about reliability and customer service on the UK forums.
If you like Daystate then The Airgun Show on Youtube is worth watching. The presenter, Matt Manning uses a Mk4 regularly. Its a quality show.
Regards,
Drew
Drew,
I have caught that show and do like it. I like my RW so far in all ways. Look and fit wise, I would be hard pressed to find something to replace it with. Shooting left, I had to bypass many other higher end guns. I do see the bolt/lever is becoming ambi. more and more on some brands though.
Good to have some perspective from the “other side of the pond”. 😉
Chris
BB, et al,
Wrong. I was just able to sleep in late today so I did.
These match SSPs were a most interesting step in the development of modern airguns. If you can live with the low power levels, they are awesome shooters. Every airgunner should experience one of these at least once. Why do you think the price of these only go up?
RR,
For the ranges most plinking and target shooting is done at the SSPs are hardly at a disadvantage. No, they are not hunting rifles but then hunting rifles are not target rifles either.
Was just shooting my 603 – still smiling – man are they ever accurate!!!
It is nice to shoot with something that if you miss, it is on you.
This air rifle is very interesting in that it has a fiddly power plant. That it has a overly-complex, prone to fail feature in its single stroke piston that must be defeated for the rifle to become usable once that feature dies. The engineer put the KISS principle aside for “this great idea” that he talked management into allowing into the design! I have to admit I’ve done that before and it came back to bite me, too.
Since you have been peaking our collective interest in single-stroke piston power plants in target shooters, you have enabled me to “use good reasoning” to go after a used Daisy 853 from CMB Rifle Sales, with the Monte Carlo stock. Thank you B.B.! Fingers crossed that it’s a good one!
The Gamo 126 would be a really neat gun to enjoy, but its price might be a little high.
Will,
The SSP air rifles were at their peak at this time. Perhaps it was a way around patents?
Do not be afraid to buy an old match rifle. They only go up in price if taken care of.
BB- The day has come! I am just leaving home for a 310 mile round trip to Pueblo, Co. to pick up my new AirForce Condor SS. Will follow up over this weekend. I am just a little excited, just a little!
Bruce
Bruce,
Safe journey and we want a full report as soon as you are able!
B.B.
B.B., I gather this is an example of a price point SSP 10m match rifle from the 80’s after the technology has trickled downto the “everyman level”, but what manufacturer made the first SSP match rifle, and what rifle was being made obsolete by this newer powerplant? I think I would want examples of those in a collection.
Rob
P.S. I am making a single shot tray for the Synergis. Call me old fashioned! This rifle is what the B3 might have become, and I’ll be danged if it doesn’t work very well, if you’re into PP underlevers. I know, at least the B3 had a wood stock, but I am sure the Umarex wont take a finger off!
Keep up the good work Sir!
Rob,
I have always thought Walther was first with the SSP, with their LGR rifle. But I have nothing to back that up. I first saw one in a shop in Germany in 1976.
B.B.
Rob,
Please tell us about your single-shot tray when it’s perfected.
B.B.
I’ll fab something up for sure. My thinking about why multipumps are an American thing
is simply that we take P.B.’s for granted here in the good ol’ USA. Firearms are ubiquitous here. So I think that is why Europe has broadened our notion of what an airgun is. You make a .50 BMG recoiless by making the bench rest stock weigh 50lbs, not by adding the ‘GISS’ system.
I feel silly shooting my Marauder or SKS next to one those things, and there is a fair amount of hooting and hollering eveytime one goes off at the range. Car alarms too. Just a little over the top!
R
1stblue,
“I feel silly shooting my Marauder or SKS next to one those things, and there is a fair amount of hooting and hollering eveytime one goes off at the range. Car alarms too. Just a little over the top!”
R. I shoot at a guntryclub indoor range from time to time in the cold season that has 2×25, 1×50 and 1×100 ranges and especially on the 100 most of the target carriers seldom make it past the halfway point! The “hooting and hollering” at the ranges seems to be mostly to cover-up the fact that there isn’t a new hole in the big target; even at the reduced distances!
It gets real quiet when someone notices the Airgun making small groups at the full throw of the target carriers. Then the questions start. So don’t feel silly. Just shoot those small groups quietly; speaks much more loudly then all the hoot’n and holler’n!
shootski
Thanks for doing this series, B.B. At least I was interested to read it!
I’d also like, as a Diana 27 owner, to see your write-up on that. In my book, while I prefer the styling of the non-S ones to the S’s very 1970s angularity, they make really nice plinkers or informal target rifles, and the ABT feature is nice to have when they are used by novices.
Good Shooting BB. I really need to benchrest my Walther LCM2 with a number of different pellets. I have been shooting N &H Finale Match with 4.51 Heads. A search on line said that this was one of the go to pellets back in the day.
Mike
B.B.,
“Now, the holes left by domed pellets moving at slow speed are hard to measure with accuracy, so this could be off quite a bit…” Perfect opening to invite you and the rest of the Readership to look at the conversation Silver Eagle and I exchanged in yesterday’s Blog comments about the: https://ontargetshooting.com/ PA should pay for your program(s) to help with your workload providing great group analysis!
shootski
B.B.,
Sorry for going off topic, but thought this might be of interest and it is a 10m test too: In the comments section of part 8 of your series on the Air Venturi TR5 a few months ago, reader Vana2 (Hank) asked how accurate the IZH 61 was. I replied that it was capable of quarter inch ctc 5 shot groups at 10m.
I took mine (late model with polymer receiver and plastic clips) to the range recently and tested it off the bench at 10m with cheap and cheerful BSA Storm 7.87gr pellets. Those are about the cheapest pellets one can find on this side of the pond.
I loaded the clip and fired one shot at each of the 5 targets, moving across the paper in a „Z“ fashion. I then reloaded and repeated until I had fired 5 shots at each target. I shot in this way to see if any chamber in the clip gave better or worse results than the others.
As you can see, the first and last chambers gave the worst results, 0.509“ and 0.367“ respectively. Chambers No. 2 and 4 both gave quarter inch groups. Chamber No. 3 gave the smallest group, 0.207“. Notice how that group consists of one subgroup of 4 shots scarcely larger than the head of the pellet, and a fifth shot just off to the right (did not punch a clean hole). I will repeat this test when I get a chance to see if the apparent difference in accuracy between chambers is consistent with the chosen pellet.
The BSA Storm is by no means a premium pellet and its appearance is downright shoddy, with a visible seam running down its length and rough edges on the skirt. It was thus a pleasant surprise to discover a few years ago how well it performs with my 61. It would be interesting to hear how it does with the TR5.
Anyway, I just wanted to show that the plastic IZH 61/Baikal MP61 is an accurate little plinker (well, mine is at least) and the best 80 quid I have ever spent on an airgun!
The coin below the dime, by the way, is a 1998 Spanish one peseta piece, which at 14mm is the same diameter as your trime.
Bob,
That’s a great test. I have two IZH 61 rifles coming up soon and I will probably do the same.
Thanks,
B.B.
B.B.,
Not one, but two IZH61’s? Sounds like we are in for a treat!
By the way, what’s the largest image file size we can upload with comments?
Bob,
I think it’s 2 Mb. It should tell you when you try to upload.
B.B.
B.B.,
Okay, here’s a higher resolution copy of the target photo above. It’s 1.98 Mb, so should just about fit.
If you left click on the photo to open it, then right click and select “Open image in new tab”, you can view it in full resolution. See how the BSA Storm is an ugly pellet, check out that seam running down its length and the jagged edges protruding from the rim of the skirt.
It performs well, though and is cheap, which is an important consideration for easy cocking, repeating plinkers such as the IZH 61 and TR5, as you can burn through a whole tin of pellets in very little time while having fun with them.
Bob,
Gotcha! That will be handy when I get to testing the 61(s). I’m copying the image for my report and will give you credit when it runs.
B.B.
B.B.,
I’m flattered!
Will see if I can get to the range in the meantime, to repeat this test and try a few other pellet types.
Bob Ryan,
I have had your target in my mind for two days now. Interesting how stable your POI is even though the 5 shot pellet carrier has that Bell Curve repeatability result. Do you suspect it is the holes themselves or is it perhaps that the pellet carrier (clip) is best held when centered in the slot? Could a longer carrier (clip) be used with the five pellet holes still spaced the same but with longer blank sections at both ends. Obviously you could single load the center or just not load the two pellet holes at each end and dramatically improve the accuracy/repeatability of your IZH61/Biakal MP61.
shootski
An interesting new air rifle. I hear it is from Bear River but from a division called Bara. It’s a multi-pumper that shoots pelletsand BB’s, with a rifled barrel. They call it the 1866. lt looks like one of the old Yellow Boy lever action rifles.so far, it’s at Pyramid Air and Amazon. Here it is at Pyramid:
/product/barra-cowboy-series-1866-177-bb-pellet-air-rifle?m=5007
No way to mount a scope, so open sights only. There is a Youtube video or two about it too. Good reviews at the two sellers I mentioned. The yellow receiver is plastic, of course, which seems to be the norm these days. Withmyeyesight,
Birdmove,
I liked it until I saw that pump arm coming out. Not bad though. I like the Octagonal barrel and the brass accents. Not a bad copy. Gold chrome on plastic?,… but hey,… for the price,… not bad.
Not like we will ever see it,… but an authentic (Oct./brass) copy in PCP version. Pellet feed minus shells? Tuff. Scope-able. Easy. Enough air storage? (in butt too?) Maybe. Regulated and lower power might do well.
Thanks for the heads up. I may have run across it before,.. I think? 😉
Chris
Go to Youtube and search Barra Model 1866 air rifle. There’s 5-6 videos. Very recent. That pump arm is metal. I would guess they are going to sell a bunch of these.
Birdmove
That is who makes the semi auto mx1000 I have that I converted to a 13 cubic inch regulated HPA bottle. It’s been a nice gun.
I like the gun you posted in the link. Cool way to hide the pump arm. I bet it’s real easy to pump. And the price is definitely right. I have to say that is a new twist on a multi-pump. I’m going to search it and see what it’s about. I might get one just for the heck of it. I wonder if it’s any kind of accurate.
I was trying to write above that, with my crappy eyesight, I need a scope. There is a thread on this several pages long at Gateway to airguns forum. And, from a video or two I found, it seems accurate and puts out good velocity for a multi-pumper too. If it were scopeable, I might get one.
I have an ancient Savage .22LR takedown gun with octagonal barell. It’s a pump action. Made about 1933 per Savage Arms.It was my dad’s, and he gave it to me. His family was poor as heck when he as young. His dad left the family, !eaving his mom to raise two kids in the woods of Oregon. That gun was what put meat on the table for them for years. My dad and my great uncle Phil would take that Savage, somefishing loin and hooks, salt, pepper, and flour and go out into the woods and live off the land, sometimes for a week or more. Dad started working in lumber camps, as he called it, “pulling lumber on the green chain”. Sorry, just a bit of family trivia.
Birdmove,
Thanks for sharing that piece of family history. It’s good to be reminded of just how easy we have it nowadays, thanks be to God.
I shoot air rifles purely for fun, but take comfort in the knowledge that I could use them to put food on the table if circumstances dictated.
Birdmove,
That is a cool looking multipumper and at a great price.
Am wondering though, since it has a rifled barrel, would steel BBs not damage it?
I’d be concerned about that too. I’d treat it like I treat my other multi-pumpers with rifling. Forget the BB’s.
B.B.
I am one that reads every daily blog since I found this wonderfull informatoinal page. Being a newb to this I mostly have nothing to add, but because you put out the call for comments, I am wondering about your groups.
The RWS hobby group is ‘not-so-spectacular then the Sig Match Ballistic Alloy group is pretty good. The difference in group size is less than .1 inch. My thought is that the groups are essentally equal. In a repeat test those pellets could have the same size groups as the other ones.
Participant,
Group size is like round pizza. When you add a tenth of an inch to a .177 group it is like going from a small to a medium size pizza. The area of the circle or box that the group grows into is the issue. There are great tutorials about group size available. I used the Search here on the blog and found some reading to get you started:
/blog/?s=Group+size&btnGo=
You will be way smarter about groups when you finish reading that group of blogs then the better than average Airgunners!
shootski
shootski
shootski,
Thank you for that answer. It’s better than I could have responded.
Participant, it’s only because I am shooting at such a close range that what he says is true. At 50 yards your observations hold true.
B.B.
B.B.,
To add to your comment: With the automated group sizing systems the factors used are; the bullet hole size (caliber), along with the target distance, the point of aim, and the reference distance if needed. That is why both B.B. and my answer on the specific targets Participant asked about can be true.
For Participant and other readers: Still confused by that? Ask away!
shootski
shootski,
Thanks, I had not read read that blog. My knowledge from blog reading only goes back to sometime in ’16 if I remember right.
Gerald
shootski,
Thanks for posting that link. I had no idea how matches were scored and that sound triangulation is used at some competitions. – Don
Don,
While I do not compete,… (that would most likely,.. read: for sure!,…. be quite a humbling experience),… 🙁 I do remember such auto measuring devices mentioned in the past.
My initial thought was that there is NO WAY that scoring groups are hand measured anymore, but had nothing to back it up with.
I would imagine (back in the day – only a guess),… that there was some real “heated discussions” when the judge busted out the (dial) calipers and .002″ was a make or break point. WOW!,… that could get real ugly,… real quick! 😉
Chris
Chris USA,
People’s noses might have gotten bent out of shape at times but most remained Gentle men and women because of the UNSPORTSMAN-LIKE CONDUCT rule found in most rule books. Arguing with a competition official can have SERIOUS short and long term consequences on a competitor or coach.
shootski
Shootski,
So I have gathered,… in the most general sense. Other sports do similar. Evicted, fined, banned, etc..
Like someone mentioned the other day,…. those here seem to be more of the “civilized” variety of folk.
Chris
BB,
It’s stuck again.
RR,
What is stuck?
B.B.
BB,
Duh, my brain. Need coffee. Never mind.
BB,
I have been on vacation for 2 weeks. What day is today?
RR,
Daylight savings or slow time? 😉
B.B.
BB,
Real slow time.
RR,
I hear you. I’ve been on holiday for two weeks too and don’t know what day it is lol https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=2415204215386054&_rdr
Bob,
Pretty good! That is indeed how it is!
B.B. and Readership,
A back to basics article provided by the NRA:
https://www.nrafamily.org/articles/2020/1/2/basics-of-shooting-breath-control/
Shootski
Shootski,
Most excellent and a must read for all. You have introduced aspects of this in past with your comments. I remember when I had much more time to shoot,… practicing,.. and noticing ,.. the very things mentioned. And yes,… it does make a difference,.. even for the back porch duffer. Take a quick read ya’ all.
Chris
B.B.,
I took delivery of a SIG ASP Super Target SSP today. I have unpacked it read the owner’s manual (interestingly in all the other languages the pistol is described as an entry level target pistol) and done some initial visual and operational inspection. The first thing I will pass on to other owners is I believe I found what might have been the culprit that assassinated your barrel, breech end, O-Ring. I can feel a sharp lip in the breech block face that is in the right spot and orientation if the barrel is installed just a tiny bit to the rear in the “slide” more properly called the Over Lever in this case. Fit and finish of mine is superb for the price point, the grip angle/size is good, balance ergonomics for my height and XXL hand(s) seem this far to be very acceptable. I have dry-fired enough times that the trigger is very fine out of the box; but a small amount of tweaking will eventually take place. The second stage has the creep that you also found on yours and that will need to disappear in time to keep me happy. The first adjustment screw 1 (slotted) has a capstan head with two cross drilled through holes. I have not tried to see if the suppied 1/8″ Allen L will fit in them, as is stated, but some of my other probes and picks certainly will if it doesn’t.
Pellets are being gathered and others will be ordered for the fun part of learning a new pistol. Vogel pellets are on the list and it will no doubt grow. I look forward to getting the dope with my LabRADAR on this pistol. I’m currently rereading all the parts of your review and a number of other videos and posts. I need to order a bunch more 10M pistol targets from National since I think I’ll be burning through them.
I wonder how long I can last before I go hunting for the SIG P210 Super Target firearm?
Thank you for all your skilled enabling Tom!
shootski
shootski,
Mua, ha ha! 🙂
B.B.
Totaly off topic
But I hope he puts up a video on this build, how about a .457 pistol.
https://tofazfou.blogspot.com/2020/01/cms-457-pistol.html
Mike
Mike,
Tofazfou has been building airguns for a loooong time. He used to use almost exclusively AirForce frames, but I see he is also using Marauders. He and others have led AirForce to what they are now.
RR,
Indeed he has, been following him for many years.
Tofazfou just posted this .457 on the first of the month so it will probably be a while before he gets up a video on it.
Mike
And now for the weather.
Yesterday the air temperature was in the mid to upper sixties. This morning there is a dusting of snow on vehicles and leaves on the ground.
RR,
High 30’s and falling all day yesterday here. Snow was yesterday/last night and is only a very minor dusting at best. 28 F now. I did get to shoot 12/27/19 though. 🙂
Chris
Chris,
There is a good chance I will do some plinking today, but nothing serious with this wind.
R.R.,
“And now for the weather.” You think that is bad? Check this out: “SEAS GIVEN AS SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT…WHICH IS THE AVERAGE
HEIGHT OF THE HIGHEST 1/3 OF THE WAVES. INDIVIDUAL WAVES MAY BE MORE THAN TWICE THE SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT.” Current: “24 HOUR FORECAST LOW 49N46W 953 MB. WITHIN 360 NM S AND 120 NM
NW QUADRANTS WINDS 50 TO 65 KT. SEAS 26 TO 43 FT.” The North Atlantic with waves that could go on as much as 52′ to 86′ Makes you wish you had volunteered for submarine duty!
I saw we were at 99 posts so I couldn’t resist!
shootski
Shootski,
2’nd hand story. I worked for a company that made large (sometimes,.. very large diesel engines.)
Sometimes, the smaller ones would end up on ships. I overhauled them, with a crew.
In New York,.. a sludge vessel was out for a test run after an overhaul. 12 mi. out and 12 back.
They took a load out to dump in (very) rough seas and one side stuck on the dump. It listed,… like real bad. And, the nose was well under water on the dive.
The Captain freaked out and the first mate? took charge,.. went out on the deck,.. only holding onto only chain rails,.. and manually opened the dump valves.
The guys had pics and everything. Glad I was not out for that one.
Chris
“Arrgh mate! Underway’s the only way! Land is a navigational hazzard! Sailors were made for ships and ships were made for the sea! Arrgh!”
White water on the flight deck. Spray on the signal bridge. Been there. Done that.
R.R.,
Been there done that all to many times too, Sailor!
You forgot Green Water down Charli Noble!
There is even a Club for that! Held just slightly lower in esteem than those that have gone to Davy Jones’ Locker!
shootski
Arrgh!
Fifteen men on a dead man’s chest,
Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum…
Come on,… someone “kick the ant hill”,……….. 😉
If not,… I will have to tell ya’ all about the latest PCP I got on order that shoots “flying disc”. FPS/FPE is through the roof and will slice a steel can clear in two at 300 yards. Laser sights. (ATGS) Auto Target Guidance System, etc. and some other “boring” stuff.
🙂 Chris
BB,
As I recall from my long ago youth,… I do believe that I had a plastic pistol (springer?) that actually sent plastic disc flying. Maybe nickle or quarter size disc. Do you recall?
Chris
Chris,
It’s called a flying saucer gun.
B.B.
BB,
Well,… you do have to admit that you do go “off in the ditch” from time to time. Springers that shoot T.P. wads. Bug-A-Salt,… that shoots table salt. Maybe?,… a disc shooter for a review?
On that,… any (real) possibility to ever see a new tech. version? Ballistics? FPS/FPE? Accuracy? What would it take? PCP? Springer? Steel disc?
I have it from a “down low, (deep state)” source that the Aliens have found the disc format to be quite efficient. Great BC,… from what I have gathered. I could go further in detail,… but then “they” would have to kill me,… and nobody wants that. Me,… being first.
Just “tossing” it out there,…. Chris 😉
“flying saucer”,…. yes,… that fits given the time frame.